news Dan.com to increase comission from 9% to 15% effective Feb 1st 2023

[MadAboutDomains]

Just received this email from Dan.com about commission increases (snippet of email):

Thoughts?

 

[Larion]

The 10% commission applies when domains are being

- parked with advertisiments OR using the Sedo Sales lander
- having a BIN OR BuyNow or Best Offer
- sold through the Sedo marketplace directly

If the buyer comes through the SedoMLS network, the commission will be 20%.

I am a SEDO-customer since the year 2000 (for more than 22 years).
I have all my domains listed for sale at SEDO via URL-forwarding to a SEDO-Landing-Page.

All my domains are having a BIN or a MAKE OFFER and all my domains are using a "Sedo Sales lander" without "Advertisements".
On all my BIN domain-sales in the past, I have paid a 15% comission to SEDO.
I think the comission should have been 10% instead of the charged 15%

I am a bit confused now...

 

[wrolie]

To offset a 25% commission you need to raise your price a whopping 33% above your target net amount. To offset 15% commission, you need to increase your price by 18%. A 9% commission only required a 10% markup.

For example on a $1000 domain:

Break even on 25% commission
$1000 + 33% = $1333 sales price
$1333 * 25% = $333 commission
Net $1000

Break even on 15% commission
$1000 + 18% = $1180
$1180 * 15% = $177 commission
$1003 net

Break even on 9% commission
$1000 + 10% = $1100 sales price
$1100 * 9% = $99 commission
Net $1001

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

I have all my domains listed for sale at SEDO via URL-forwarding to a SEDO-Landing-Page.

All my domains are having a BIN or a MAKE OFFER and all my domains are using a "Sedo Sales lander" without "Advertisements".
On all my BIN domain-sales in the past, I have paid a 15% comission to SEDO.
I think the comission should have been 10% instead of the charged 15%

My understanding with all of these "lander parking page discounts" is that it does not count for URL redirects.

For Sedo, it is either ns1/2.sedoparking or sl1/2 sedo landers that give you the 10%. AND, only if it if BIN OR Make Best Offer. I found that it easy to make the mistake on Sedo. If you accidentally set up BIN and make offer on the lander (not Make Best Offer), it's 15%.
A 50% increase in your commission happens if you do not have effectively a "Buy Now, Make Best Offer lander." So, check your landers there carefully.

 

[NameInbox]

I parked domain on Sedo and after a sale they charged 15% + vat so total like 20% !!!
SedoMLS was active or why it was 15% ?

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

I parked domain on Sedo and after a sale they charged 15% + vat so total like 20% !!!
SedoMLS was active or why it was 15% ?

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So you had a lander on Sedo. It's possible that the sale went through the marketplace rather than the lander, which would have changed the commission from 10% to 15%. The other possibility could be that the lander accidentally had a buy now and "make offer" option on it, rather than the "Buy Now" and Make Best Offer. I recall when I had the landers, it seemed like an easy mistake to make.

Sedo MLS partner transactions are a 20% commission, so that appears unlikely.

There is a curious twist to the issue of a Sedo lander attracting a customer, but then that customer later buying the domain through the marketplace. Let's say someone gets interested in your domain through the lander. They then decide to browse through the marketplace first, to see perhaps if they want to buy anything else as well.. They then buy it through the marketplace listing. Do you still only get the 10% commission?

I somewhat doubt this, but perhaps it would be best to ask Sedo customer service about this. That would be very frustrating, if you aren't credited at 10% for bringing the lead through the lander.

 

[biggie]

Hi
I parked domain on Sedo and after a sale they charged 15% + vat so total like 20% !!!
SedoMLS was active or why it was 15% ?

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Hi

if you click the link that says "more details" under your "net amount credited", then it will show the amount of commission charged and why, as in a marketplace find or mls sale.

imo...

 

[twiki]

Hi

if you click the link that says "more details" under your "net amount credited", then it will show the amount of commission charged and why, as in a marketplace find or mls sale.

imo...

Good note for many domainers,

it took me a while back then to figure out that.

 

[NameInbox]

Hi

if you click the link that says "more details" under your "net amount credited", then it will show the amount of commission charged and why, as in a marketplace find or mls sale.

imo...

Thanks for help, as always
I'm using Sedo for 2 weeks.

I just check, now it's 10%, but now there are new numbers everywhere on Sedo, but not at my bank account !
Where are my $2.13 ?

Hey what's going on ?
It needs investigation, why numbers were changed today after my post here (for @Sedo too)

I got message now, here on NP.
like"It is likely that there was a hiccup when the sale took place"
now waiting for refund or so

Thanks

 

[Kingslayer]

GoDaddy hiring James as 'community manager' a week or 2 before going public with this:-

 

[Sedo]

Thanks for help, as always
I'm using Sedo for 2 weeks.

I just check, now it's 10%, but now there are new numbers everywhere on Sedo, but not at my bank account !
Where are my $2.13 ?

Hey what's going on ?
It needs investigation, why numbers were changed today after my post here (for @Sedo too)

I didn't got any email or message

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I am a SEDO-customer since the year 2000 (for more than 22 years).
I have all my domains listed for sale at SEDO via URL-forwarding to a SEDO-Landing-Page.

All my domains are having a BIN or a MAKE OFFER and all my domains are using a "Sedo Sales lander" without "Advertisements".
On all my BIN domain-sales in the past, I have paid a 15% comission to SEDO.
I think the comission should have been 10% instead of the charged 15%

I am a bit confused now...

Please send us your Sedo user name via PM and we will look into your account settings. As mentioned by another forum user it is likely that URL forwarding might be the reason why the 10% commission wasn't applying. But we'll make sure to look into it once we receive the information from you per PM.

 

[Acroplex]

GoDaddy hiring James as 'community manager' a week or 2 before going public with this:-

I can't believe I never watched this classic JC movie!

 

[Sedo]

Thanks for help, as always
I'm using Sedo for 2 weeks.

I just check, now it's 10%, but now there are new numbers everywhere on Sedo, but not at my bank account !
Where are my $2.13 ?

Hey what's going on ?
It needs investigation, why numbers were changed today after my post here (for @Sedo too)

I got message now, here on NP.
like"It is likely that there was a hiccup when the sale took place"
now waiting for refund or so

Thanks

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Since your request got covered as well in the Sedo thread, we're just checking in to confirm that your Sedo transfer agent has reached out to you via email with more information. Glad, that we were able to sort things out.

 

[okaydomains]

I can't believe I never watched this classic JC movie!

Its very funny, Tea Leoni is excellent too. I think you'll enjoy it.

Great reference too, spot on.

 

[tonyk2000]

GoDaddy does not bother to serve httpS traffic on ns5/ns6 landers. Resultingly, some domains switched to these landers may stop receiving any human traffic at all. Affected domains are those where previous owners opted for inclusion into "HSTS Preload" (https-only) domains list used by chrome and other browsers:

https://hstspreload.org

Ok, it says that no more elgible domains may (not must) be removed automatically. Also, "Be aware that inclusion in the preload list cannot easily be undone. Domains can be removed, but it takes months for a change to reach users with a Chrome update and we cannot make guarantees about other browsers."

Did GD think about this? No.

Or, did GD think about adblockers? Adblockers also tend to block websites which are not useful. For example, hugedomains is affected. Try to visit hugedomains [or any of their forsale domains] with ublock origin enabled (and, just in case, activate "MVPS HOSTS" list in config) - adblock will block this attempt and show warning page. This is what happens if too many "undeveloped" domains are concentrated within one system. IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME FOR ADBLOCKERS TO START BLOCKING GD-owned properties, where GD wants to concentrate forsale domains.

 

[twiki]

GoDaddy does not bother to serve httpS traffic on ns5/ns6 landers. Resultingly, some domains switched to these landers may stop receiving any human traffic at all. Affected domains are those where previous owners opted for inclusion into "HSTS Preload" (https-only) domains list used by chrome and other browsers:

https://hstspreload.org

Ok, it says that no more elgible domains may (not must) be removed automatically. Also, "Be aware that inclusion in the preload list cannot easily be undone. Domains can be removed, but it takes months for a change to reach users with a Chrome update and we cannot make guarantees about other browsers."

Did GD think about this? No.

Or, did GD think about adblockers? Adblockers also tend to block websites which are not useful. For example, hugedomains is affected. Try to visit hugedomains [or any of their forsale domains] with ublock origin enabled (and, just in case, activate "MVPS HOSTS" list in config) - adblock will block this attempt and show warning page. This is what happens if too many "undeveloped" domains are concentrated within one system. IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME FOR ADBLOCKERS TO START BLOCKING GD-owned properties, where GD wants to concentrate forsale domains.

That is already happening to some extent.

I have uBlock Origin and all ns1 Afternic sites are blocked already. Blank screen is what you get.

 

[tonyk2000]

That is already happening to some extent.

So, since we're not living in paradise, more side effects should probably be expected. For example, I remember how a particular parking company (who else?) DDOSed other parking companies a few years ago. Now, thanks to GoDaddy, too many businesses are affected either directly or indirectly. Parking companies who are losing domains parked with forsale links. Other marketplaces and landing page providers. Even Google who is losing parking $$$...
As a side note, a good sign is that GD competitors are trying to further improve. Sedo is posing on NP again for example.

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

As a side note, a good sign is that GD competitors are trying to further improve. Sedo is posing on NP again for example.

This may be progress. Other competition may be helpful for stepping up the race for improvements.

In terms of getting around the adblocker problem, Namecheap did a great job helping me do URL forwarding of all of my portfolio. This is proving an interesting alternative to the Dan or Bodis landers. There appears to be no impact from UBlock on these listings.

Basically, it's a lander equivalent, that goes from the user typing in the domain name and being directly at the Namecheap marketplace listing with the "AddToCart" button just waiting to be pushed!

So, hopefully more Namepros forum members will find creative options for landers to help avoid the adblocking issues. And thank you @tonyk2000, for helping alert me to the ad blocker issues.

 

[biggie]

Namecheap did a great job helping me do URL forwarding of all of my portfolio.

Hi

before parking/marketplaces were requiring customers to use their respective nameservers, url forwarding/redirection to specific pages was pretty much the standard format.

one of the old distribution portals i used was "searchportal.information.com"

still, you can do the same thing now with any other marketplace, except you might pay the highest commission rate for url redirect.

for ppc, url redirect is no longer permitted.

like to add,
that @Sedo has partner program where you can get an affiliate code to use for redirecting.
and... if that lead doesn't buy your name, but makes a purchase under your code, you're supposed to get some $ from the transaction.
don't know who else has that type of referral program, which BTW was/used to be common for PPC companies to offer.

imo...

 

[Acroplex]

@tonyk2000 and @twiki can you guys please share some domains that use that DNS? Trying to test a few things. Thanks in advance.

 

[tonyk2000]

for ppc, url redirect is no longer permitted

Still possible with a complicated setup. See what above.com parking manager does for example. They receive all traffic of somedomain.com and actually forward it with rotation to ww1.somedomain.com which is cname to bodis, ww2.somedomain.com which is cname to sedo, etc. Proper DNS config is required. The key is that the 2nd level domain must remain the same (somedomain.com), but subdomains may be different.
Nothing prevents a domainer from doing the same on own hosting. For example, sending part of visitors to a parking company and another part, from this or that geo maybe, to an affiliate program...

@tonyk2000 and @twiki can you guys please share some domains that use that DNS? Trying to test a few things. Thanks in advance.

Hugedomains affected by adblockers: just try any random domain from their homepage ("Featured domains" section). I'm using ublock origin with default lists, including MVPS HOSTS lists which seems to be responsible for blocking HD in my config (meaning that it is the 1st list from various lists in use which blocked HD) and a few language-specific lists. Resultingly, ublock origin does not let me visit these domains...

As for afternic, I do not have zone files @ the laptop I'm typing this from, but it is not surprising that domains using ns1.afternic are affected. @twiki may have some examples.

 

[biggie]

Still possible with a complicated setup. See what above.com parking manager does for example. They receive all traffic of somedomain.com and actually forward it with rotation to ww1.somedomain.com which is cname to bodis, ww2.somedomain.com which is cname to sedo, etc.

Hi
yeah, i forgot about above.com.

i have done similar in the past by using various NS for the same domain
ie:
ns1.bodis.com
ns2.parkingcrew.com
ns3.sedoparking.com
buy.internettraffic.com

sorry for going off-topic

imo...

 

[Kwikkie]

I'm having this question still:

scenario
-I'm listing my domain on DAN (with DAN nameservers)
-I opt in to list it at afternic
-The domain sells through the afternic network (so not on DAN)

Do I now pay 15% or 25% commission?

 

[James Iles]

I'm having this question still:

scenario
-I'm listing my domain on DAN (with DAN nameservers)
-I opt in to list it at afternic
-The domain sells through the afternic network (so not on DAN)

Do I now pay 15% or 25% commission?

If you're listing at Dan with Dan nameservers (either dan.com or undeveloped.com), and a sale happens via Afternic, that's the 15% rate.

 

[Embrand]

I have been negotiating with a GoDaddy broker for several months and we agreed on a price for the domain. The domain does not use any of the GoDaddy company nameservers. The broker says the buyer will be ready to move forward with the purchase in a few weeks from now. So if the transaction is completed after February 1, hopefully I will still only pay the old commission @James Iles?

 

[James Iles]

I have been negotiating with a GoDaddy broker for several months and we agreed on a price for the domain. The domain does not use any of the GoDaddy company nameservers. The broker says the buyer will be ready to move forward with the purchase in a few weeks from now. So if the transaction is completed after February 1, hopefully I will still only pay the old commission @James Iles?

Can you DM me the name (or email [email protected])?