warning Someone attempting to sell my domain on Dan without consent

[LoveCatchyDomains]

Has anyone recently had someone try to sell one of your domains on Dan?" A domain that you own and didn't authorize?
I had just posted my new purchase on NamePros Reg of the Day. I was having difficulty uploading the domain to my Dan account for unclear reasons.
When I put the domain name in the url, I saw that someone else has listed this without my consent and clearly without owning it.
Has anyone else on the forum had this experience, especially after posting a domain name here?
Hopefully the message sent just now to Dan will help resolve this promptly.

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

So, basically what we are continuing to see is a domain front-running schemes on these marketplaces.
Let me highlight one of your key questions:

Now if I price a domain say $5K and the guy manages to sell it for $10K, what is the wrong thing in that?

So, if someone thinks your domain is a good buy at that price, and could possibly sell for twice the amount, wouldn't you prefer that they pay you for the domain first and then list it legitimately as their own?

And don't the domain marketplaces have enough listings for the actual, legitimate sellers, without adding a whole extra layer of fake sellers trying to sell domains that they don't own? Wouldn't it be a shame if potential buyers have less opportunity to see the legitimate domains possibly due to the multitude of other listings from these unscrupulous sellers?

 

[twiki]

So, basically what we are continuing to see is a domain front-running schemes on these marketplaces.
Let me highlight one of your key questions:


So, if someone thinks your domain is a good buy at that price, and could possibly sell for twice the amount, wouldn't you prefer that they pay you for the domain first and then list it legitimately as their own?

And don't the domain marketplaces have enough listings for the actual, legitimate sellers, without adding a whole extra layer of fake sellers trying to sell domains that they don't own? Wouldn't it be a shame if potential buyers have less opportunity to see the legitimate domains possibly due to the multitude of other listings from these unscrupulous sellers?

Sure thing. But that's not something we need to police ourselves. I know better than to waste time on that. As I said there are simpler options.

It should be ensured by the marketplaces.

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

Sure thing. But that's not something we need to police ourselves. I know better than to waste time on that. As I said there are simpler options.

It should be ensured by the marketplaces.

Yes, one wonders how many actual seller domains would have already sold if domain frontrunning wasn't happening? Some folks here have very large portfolios, which may make it all the more difficult to them to monitor for domain frontrunning. The marketplaces need to step up to the plate here.
The problem has not been unique to DAN. Recent Trust Pilot reviews show other marketplaces are still having this issue. Which means that the reputation of the industry continues to be harmed by this practice.
For myself, it appears that the fraudulent listings are still there on DAN, despite alerting customer service to the problem. I've now contacted Afternic, to point out the issue with these Fast Transfer domains. Hopefully, they will also check to see if this is a more widespread problem as a potential domain frontrunning scheme.

 

[DomainNature]

Maybe it's time for Dan to apply the same veriffication as on Sedo? If you don't verify a domain in a couple of days it gets removed.

 

[twiki]

Yes, one wonders how many actual seller domains would have already sold if domain frontrunning wasn't happening? Some folks here have very large portfolios, which may make it all the more difficult to them to monitor for domain frontrunning. The marketplaces need to step up to the plate here.
The problem has not been unique to DAN. Recent Trust Pilot reviews show other marketplaces are still having this issue. Which means that the reputation of the industry continues to be harmed by this practice.
For myself, it appears that the fraudulent listings are still there on DAN, despite alerting customer service to the problem. I've now contacted Afternic, to point out the issue with these Fast Transfer domains. Hopefully, they will also check to see if this is a more widespread problem as a potential domain frontrunning scheme.

If you're really that concerned about this, then go full make offer. If your domains are good, then the results will not be as far from BIN ones, if not, perhaps, better.

As I said, I have better things to do than to police this hence I stand by this choice as the sane one.

I see this, again, very differently.

I've been in trade (not just domains) for long to know this. It's called markup. And the one who controls the thing is the one that has the buyer. Not necessarily the one that has the merchandise. Anyway.

The reason one can make their offer in some place is that you are NOT THERE.

You have 2 options:

1) Be there.

2) Let someone else fill that gap and make money while you also make money.

Again what I see here is FOMO and nothing else. Sure there are situations where it could happen but that is going to be a minority of cases.

I prefer to focus on finding better names and keep the price high.

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

Maybe it's time for Dan to apply the same veriffication as on Sedo? If you don't verify a domain in a couple of days it gets removed.

Yes. Sedo had some very negative Trust Pilot reviews related to the problem in the past. They responded to the issue. Verification is now strict, and I see that their ratings overall have improved.

 

[lock]

I thought i would watch a few days first it is the brokers, and you don't have to accept. I wouldn't advertise other's domains without consent. But they ask later. If you have an offer make a decision but they will never give you opportunity to take over negotiation no matter unless you bring own inquiry. There may be more money involved.

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

I thought i would watch a few days first it is the brokers, and you don't have to accept. I wouldn't advertise other's domains without consent. But they ask later. If you have an offer make a decision but they will never give you opportunity to take over negotiation no matter unless you bring own inquiry. There may be more money involved.

The listings stated domain seller, not broker. Some were fixed prices, which presumably a broker would not do but instead negotiate. The others had names in Chinese characters, so it is unclear what the account name was actually.
Don't domain brokers contact the actual domain owner after being asked to broker a deal?

 

[mieldazys]

It still happening. Fastest solution - switch your domain name servers to Dan, and will be verified in minutes. Later switch back to previous name servers if necessary.

Probably, the only solution to this problem is listing all your domains at Dan. Even if don't want to sell.

 

[domainer8888]

I've experienced this about a month ago, 2 of my domains were listed by username: 域名卖家 and both of them never been registered before. He/she has a lot of domains listed on Dan.com but I can't remember how many. I believe the domains are not belong to this person, not sure what the motive is but what makes sense maybe this user wants to take advantage of the Parking fee if the domain is parked at Bodis and you activate on Dan lander.
I immediately reported to Dan about this. I don't know what Dan has done to this user. If the user is the same, it means that this user has not been banned by Dan.

域名卖家 means "domain seller"

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

It still happening. Fastest solution - switch your domain name servers to Dan, and will be verified in minutes. Later switch back to previous name servers if necessary.

Probably, the only solution to this problem is listing all your domains at Dan. Even if don't want to sell.

No, I firmly decided a year ago to remove myself pemanently from the Dan.com marketplace. That decision came after I also had noted, on spot checking, that approximately 60% of the domains listed were not even registered. And we're not talking registry premium domains. qSadly, on several recent spot checks, sellers still were allowing postings of completely unregistered domains.

Hopefully, a block has been placed on my domains, per my request, preventing future relisting attempts without verification.

It's not fair trade when an internet marketplace is allowing anyone to list somebody's property without their knowledge or consent. And that the only recourse would be to either keep asking for the listings to be removed each time it happens OR to list with them.

To me, a marketpllace that cannot get a handle on unauthorized listings crosses a line in terms of business ethics. And I do firmly believe that a domain seller has the right to choose to not use a marketpace for whatever reason.

Finally, the good news is that the unauthorized listings appear to have disappeared at Afternic. So since they have implemented mandatory verification upfront, at least that marketplace appears to have the problem under control.

 

[domainer8888]

No, I firmly decided a year ago to remove myself pemanently from the Dan.com marketplace. That decision came after I also had noted, on spot checking, that approximately 60% of the domains listed were not even registered. And we're not talking registry premium domains. qSadly, on several recent spot checks, sellers still were allowing postings of completely unregistered domains.

Hopefully, a block has been placed on my domains, per my request, preventing future relisting attempts without verification.

It's not fair trade when an internet marketplace is allowing anyone to list somebody's property without their knowledge or consent. And that the only recourse would be to either keep asking for the listings to be removed each time it happens OR to list with them.

To me, a marketpllace that cannot get a handle on unauthorized listings crosses a line in terms of business ethics. And I do firmly believe that a domain seller has the right to choose to not use a marketpace for whatever reason.

Finally, the good news is that the unauthorized listings appear to have disappeared at Afternic. So since they have implemented mandatory verification upfront, at least that marketplace appears to have the problem under control.

DAN has zero interest in curbing these kind of activities. They know of fraudulent sellers with thousands of domains they don't own and don't take action, it can't get clearer than this. And if they had a real interest in preventing it, they would do verification it is very easy to implement for a tech-savy company like DAN.

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

DAN has zero interest in curbing these kind of activities. They know of fraudulent sellers with thousands of domains they don't own and don't take action, it can't get clearer than this. And if they had a real interest in preventing it, they would do verification it is very easy to implement for a tech-savy company like DAN.

It sure feels like they don't care, when the unauthorized listings keep happening over and over again for me.

And the even sadder part is that now that GoDaddy owns Dan.com, the "GoDaddy brand" likely gets negatively impacted as well.

Note that the solution may benefit by more simplification. One help to implementing the NS3 and "txt" verification might be the need for more explicit instructions for each registrar. Or perhaps using the registrar-direct iisting feature for more of the marketplaces, like Dan and Daaz. For Sedo and Afternic, the Dynadot-direct listing is very convenient.