alert The fund can't be withdrawal from Epik.com via Masterbucks wallet

[enamebroker]

It happened on 23rd Aug 2022 and this matter lasted almost one month without any process. Masterbucks.com declined my fund withdrawal and disabled the button of fund withdrawal. And I contacted Epik.com and got no further action even if Rob Monster got involved in it for two weeks. All the time I was told in email by management review.

What is wrong with Epik.com? Do you think it is normal to disable fund withdrawal? How can I get back my fund from Epik.com? Thanks for your suggestion.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

Dear ALL MasterBucks customers, past or present, whether you are still owed money or not,

Please post the interest rate (annual rate of return) you were promised for your MasterBucks holdings and what country you are from. This will help us put together some very important pieces.

Are you working with a lawyer and forming legal arguments yet, or are you still in sleuth let's take down epik/rob mode?

Not to make light of your efforts, it just seems due to the magnitude of allegations and circumstances, that the victims time/trust might be best spent with some sort of legal advisement. Not sure if you or the victims have the funds or legal ability to retain legal counsel to sidechair the investigative reporting, just seems like legal involvement is long overdue and is the logical next step.

Depending on the current main stream public opinion of epik or any of its subsidaries, if there were any critics of epik under the leadership of Rob Monster/Davis, now (considering msm commingling concerns) certainly seems like an opportune time to go fund legal action against epik or their subsidaries.

Epik is no stranger to viral headlines, and if an attempt at raising legal funds for a legitimate suit against epik were to go viral, that may help bring more mainstream eyes to this epik issue.

https://www.gofundme.com/c/blog/how-to-pay-for-lawyer

I will get the money back for these people even if I have to personally come and cut those kitchen cabinets right out of your new kitchen remodel and sell them on Ebay myself.

While shock Jock hypebole may be intended to stir up passion, and further put pressure on Rob to respond, this (I will come to your house and cut out your cabinents to seek victim restitution) sort of comment seems like it came out of the better call saul playbook, opposed to the playbook ethical legal counsel would be engaging in.

If you are still owed money by Epik/Masterbucks/Rob Monster please email me at [email protected] and I will contact you privately to let you know what we are planning and how we might be able to get your money back.

 

[Derek Peterson]

Are you working with a lawyer and forming legal arguments yet, or are you still in sleuth let's take down epik/rob mode?

Not to make light of your efforts, it just seems due to the magnitude of allegations and circumstances, that the victims time/trust might be best spent with some sort of legal advisement. Not sure if you or the victims have the funds or legal ability to retain legal counsel to sidechair the investigative reporting, just seems like legal involvement is long overdue and is the logical next step.

Depending on the current main stream public opinion of epik or any of its subsidaries, if there were any critics of epik under the leadership of Rob Monster/Davis, now (considering msm commingling concerns) certainly seems like an opportune time to go fund legal action against epik or their subsidaries.

Epik is no stranger to viral headlines, and if an attempt at raising legal funds for a legitimate suit against epik were to go viral, that may help bring more mainstream eyes to this epik issue.

https://www.gofundme.com/c/blog/how-to-pay-for-lawyer

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While shock Jock hypebole may be intended to stir up passion, and further put pressure on Rob to respond, this (I will come to your house and cut out your cabinents to seek victim restitution) sort of comment seems like it came out of the better call saul playbook, opposed to the playbook ethical legal counsel would be engaging in.

Did you ever use MasterBucks and if so what was the rate of return you were promised. My question is regarding criminal issues not civil. Just answer the question or mind your business.

Weird how you always try to distract and dampen others with rambling quote posts and never add value. Hmm..

 

[Chris Hydrick]

Did you ever use MasterBuck

Yes.

Weird how you always try to distract and dampen others with rambling quote posts and never add value. Hmm..

I'd be happy to answer more if I was convinced your efforts here were more than a long standing axe to grind against monster. A for effort, just seems like at times you're jerking folks chains to assist with that axe, opposed to concertrated efforts that somebody of the likes of @jberryhill would be taking.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

... regarding criminal issues not civil.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1593587237601558528

 

[Derek Peterson]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1593587237601558528

Yeah, I know, I know a lot more than that. As I said just answer the very simple question about interest rate of return for MasterBucks or mind your own business. That is all I asked of you. Weird how you refused to do that and instead send me an old link. Thanks.

 

[Lox]

Weird how you always try to distract and dampen others with rambling quote posts and never add value. Hmm..

... he will be remembered for his cyberdetective work and willingness to go the extra yard to help people.

Regards

 

[Chris Hydrick]

Weird how you refused to do that and instead send me an old link.

The link was posted 5 days ago, sorry if that is not new enough. But the $SUB investor has a point to correlate $SUB with $FTT, and that sort of thing could help drive headlines and investigations.

As far as it being weird that I'm not answering you questions, (1) It's very easy to get the answers to the questions you seek, and a lot more. If my answer to your question was of significat importance, I'd surely answer. (2) You come off as creepy man, forgive me for reserving my information for actual legal counsel or a more repuatual investigator journalist.

 

[TangoTango]

Other than about $30 in Masterbucks, I don't have a dog in this fight. But, if Epik was insolvent and/or preparing to file bankruptcy, would they care so much about Trustpilot ratings? Probably not. And, I'm not sure that forcing their hand with legal threats is the best idea. It appears that some users are being paid out (albeit small amounts), so it may be better to "slow play" it at this point.

 

[Derek Peterson]

The link was posted 5 days ago, sorry if that is not new enough. But the $SUB investor has a point to correlate $SUB with $FTT, and that sort of thing could help drive headlines and investigations.

As far as it being weird that I'm not answering you questions, (1) It's very easy to get the answers to the questions you seek, and a lot more. If my answer to your question was of significat importance, I'd surely answer. (2) You come off as creepy man, forgive me for reserving my information for actual legal counsel or a more repuatual investigator journalist.

Take note folks, this is how you know you're close to the target. Thousands of words trying to distract, undermine and insult when all they had to do was post a number and country abbreviation, for example 6% US or 10% UA.

This reminds me of someone I know. I smell Ponzi scheme.

 

[Derek Peterson]

Other than about $30 in Masterbucks, I don't have a dog in this fight. But, if Epik was insolvent and/or preparing to file bankruptcy, would they care so much about Trustpilot ratings? Probably not. And, I'm not sure that forcing their hand with legal threats is the best idea. It appears that some users are being paid out (albeit small amounts), so it may be better to "slow play" it at this point.

Everyone thanks you for your wisdom and concern. What was the annual rate of return promised you for your masterbuck holdings?

 

[bmugford]

Everyone thanks you for your wisdom and concern. What was the annual rate of return promised you for your masterbuck holdings?

I don't use Masterbucks. I prefer my escrow companies to be properly licensed, for obvious reasons.

But, I do have a few questions...

Where was the return supposedly promised?
Was the promise in return for something?
Was it used to attract new customers?

Brad

 

[Chris Hydrick]

But, if Epik was insolvent and/or preparing to file bankruptcy, would they care so much about Trustpilot ratings?

That's an interesting way to look at it. Trying to see this as an illiquidity issue opposed to an insolvent issue, and epiks fighting trust pilot reviews is an effort at mitigatig this masterbucks issue to just masterbacks.

Another way to look at it is, if epik was raising investor funds, would it be in their interest to fight trustpilot ratings? Perhaps the lack of epik enagenemt is a strategy so not to flame the fire.

Was it used to attract new clients?

Bingo! New clients... swiss bank of domains, #1 crypto domain escrow, etc.

...and/or investors! ie invest in epiklabs, where we are developing masterbucks as a hopeful paypal compeitor among other investments such as a licensed crypto exchange, etc...

 

[Derek Peterson]

I don't use Masterbucks. I prefer my escrow companies to be properly licensed, for obvious reasons.

But, I do have a few questions...

Where was the return supposedly promised?
Was the promise in return for something?
Was it used to attract new customers?

Brad

So apparently Epik was paying out, or at least promising, some pretty high rate of returns in more MasterBucks, which theoretically should be easily converted into cash (not). Rates seem to vary based on location and amount of masterbucks. It is how he was keeping the ponzi house of cards from collapsing. As we know from Barrie's postings that Epik has not had enough cash reserves to pay out MasterBucks for many years. It is literally FTX. This is the very definition of a Ponzi scheme.

 

[bmugford]

That's an interesting way to look at it. Trying to see this as an illiquidity issue opposed to an insolvent issue, and epiks fighting trust pilot reviews is an effort at mitigatig this masterbucks issue to just masterbacks.

Another way to look at it is, if epik was raising investor funds, would it be in their interest to fight trustpilot ratings? Perhaps the lack of epik enagenemt is a strategy so not to flame the fire.

The lack of engagement is clearly a strategy. When you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all. Some things are just not defensible, you know like commingling customer funds.

Yes, it is clear Epik is trying to mitigate damage to their brand, however it is kind of a lost cause at this point.
Between this, the hack, the conspiracy theories and so much other nonsense I am not sure what their brand is really worth.

Epik is the company responsible for this debt. They are the company that commingled the funds.
The Masterbucks LLC company did not even exist at the time when the funds were frozen.

Any effort to try and separate the companies after the fact is disingenuous.

Brad

 

[bmugford]

So apparently Epik was paying out, or at least promising, some pretty high rate of returns in more MasterBucks, which theoretically should be easily converted into cash (not). Rates seem to vary based on location and amount of masterbucks. It is how he was keeping the ponzi house of cards from collapsing. As we know from Barrie's postings that Epik has not had enough cash reserves to pay out MasterBucks for many years. It is literally FTX. This is the very definition of a Ponzi scheme.

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I am open minded. When you are commingling funds, who knows what else is actually going on.

But, do you currently have evidence of this or is it just second hand information?

I would love to see an actual screenshot or something with what was said/promised.

Brad

 

[Derek Peterson]

I am open minded. When you are commingling funds, who knows what else is actually going on.

But, do you currently have evidence of this or is it just second hand information?

I would love to see an actual screenshot or something with what was said/promised.

Brad

I have received many private direct testimonies from real people and I just posted a question asking people what the annual rate of return they were promised was and what country they are from. I'm trying to get more answers but the posts are getting hijacked by obvious shills.

Also, "second hand information" is called testimony in a court room and is admissible. Also, not posting screenshots of whistle blowers and not cool to ask. I Just asked a simple question and explained why I asked it. I already know the answer to the main question, now just trying to figure out details and how crazy the promises got as the implosion started to happen.

 

[Derek Peterson]

For those joining this thread late and wanting to get caught up in a hurry here are 2 articles we have written on Epik and Rob Monster that you might find helpful. I have had many Epik victims write to me personally and tell me that those articles help them understand what they are up against in trying to get their monies back.

If anyone has ever used MasterBucks please reply back here or email me directly at [email protected] what the interest rate is you were promised (annual rate of return) for your MasterBucks holdings and what country you are from. Thanks!

This one deals with the MasterBucks Ponzi scheme:

https://providencepost.com/epik-update-masterbucks-fails-to-payout-customers-after-maintenance/

And this one deals with the Epik history and hack:
https://providencepost.com/a-monster-of-epik-proportions/

 

[Chris Hydrick]

Thousands of words trying to distract, undermine and insult when all they had to do was post a number and country abbreviation, for example 6% US or 10% UA.

Dude, enough with the intimidation attempts. Be it by DM'ing me, or your posts in this thread.

You are clearly on a fishing trip, and your passion is at risk of leading actual victims to being lost at sea.

If you were an actual domainer, or had domainers assisting as you seem to be attempting to represent domainers, then you would know your question is completely elementary in nature, and misguiding any attempt at understanding how masterbucks/epikEscrow actually works. Rather than continuing this tit for tat jibber jabber, I suggest you read or re-read the "If you are not using Epik.com for escrow, you are wasting time and money!" thread, or any other thread/domainerBlog/etc to further educate yourself on the domainer > epikEscrow > masterbucks relationship.

/Page6 (March 2019) masterbucks confusion when domainer didnt have paypal payout option. Learned epik charges a $35 wire fee, which was waived for this customer.

TheDomains.com (March 2019)
Rod says

“Epik Escrow pays out in Masterbucks – an internal currency which can be used tax-free, and commission-free, for all Epik products and services. Masterbucks may be cashed out at a 5% fee”

Joseph Peterson says

There is no longer a 5% cash-out fee. Ignore that. It’s gone. In the past, when Epik charged no commissions at all, that fee was all Epik had. It was designed as an incentive to spend all or part of earnings at Epik on a domain portfolio (renewals and transfers) – instead of withdrawing the money and returning later to spend the same money on renewals. In between, there is a lot of waste on Paypal fees, wire transfer fees, etc. Plus, we want to keep customers.

Since the Epik Marketplace began charging a commission in 2018, it has been too confusing to have a cash-out fee too. Instead of a fee, we are planning to offer a bonus for spending earnings at Epik. It’s the same effect … but a carrot instead of stick. Nobody likes fees.

To be clear, here is what Epik commissions look like:

9% Direct Purchase
5% Monthly Payment Plan
1.5% Escrow

Looking at the previous page of this thread, I posted a tweet from intelliname that he shared of his masterbucks dashboard, "Direct Purchase of [exampledomain] = amount - 9% shows how a lot of domainer masterbucks accounts were funded.

Other masterbuck wallets may have been funded different than from domain sales, as soemthimes direct epik instore credit can be applied for a various of reasons (such as bug bounty payouts) before sending epik account credit to masterbucks. @bmugford -- when you received a (I think a $XXX payout) from the PianoMoving hastle, were you paid directly to your masterbucks or was it in the form of epik in store credit?

The masterbucks withdraw fee's may have varied over times, initially I believe paypal was free payouts (as was a 2019 case of mine, where after the 9% commission fee. I received the exact amount in paypal as my masterbucks payout sent friends and family from epik holdings llc) and if you use an ounce of your anger towards researching, I'm sure you'll find more, and be able to build a more precise picture of the domainer > epik escrow > masterbucks relationship.

As is now Derick, it's almost as if you have no clear idea as to how masterbucks/epikescrow actually worked, and changed over the years. To get better answers, it might help to associate a time frame with the expected masterbucks payout, as it apparently varied overtime. Asking questions such as what was the % rate of return in expected masterbucks we were promised almost sounds more related to the previous vision of masterbucks prior to their explosive growth after the epik escrow integration. It's almost as if you are trying to correlate domain payouts with an expected interest rate of return is absolutely obsurd consenting there was often times a withdraw or commission fee (negative rate of return) imposed to epikescrow/masterbucks, not a interest rate gained from masterbucks.

Evolving past the initial promotion of epikescrow/masterbucks, to 2022, a post from @yardgs shows a screenshot of of the masterbucks(.)com/fee withdraw rates.

There’s actually a Fee Table here: https://masterbucks.com/fee

It says clearly that the fee for most are 2.5%. Cheapest one is ACH but only for US accounts.

IDK if its just my system or that I still need to go thru their KYC, but masterbucks.com/fee is currently resolving to a page not found (while being logged in or logged out) error.

 

[Derek Peterson]

Dude, enough with the intimidation attempts. Be it by DM'ing me, or your posts in this thread.

You are clearly on a fishing trip, and your passion is at risk of leading actual victims to being lost at sea.

If you were an actual domainer, or had domainers assisting as you seem to be attempting to represent domainers, then you would know your question is completely elementary in nature, and misguiding any attempt at understanding how masterbucks/epikEscrow actually works. Rather than continuing this tit for tat jibber jabber, I suggest you read or re-read the "If you are not using Epik.com for escrow, you are wasting time and money!" thread, or any other thread/domainerBlog/etc to further educate yourself on the domainer > epikEscrow > masterbucks relationship.

/Page6 (March 2019) masterbucks confusion when domainer didnt have paypal payout option. Learned epik charges a $35 wire fee, which was waived for this customer.

TheDomains.com (March 2019)
Rod says


Joseph Peterson says


Looking at the previous page of this thread, I posted a tweet from intelliname that he shared of his masterbucks dashboard, "Direct Purchase of [exampledomain] = amount - 9% shows how a lot of domainer masterbucks accounts were funded.

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Other masterbuck wallets may have been funded different than from domain sales, as soemthimes direct epik instore credit can be applied for a various of reasons (such as bug bounty payouts) before sending epik account credit to masterbucks. @bmugford -- when you received a (I think a $XXX payout) from the PianoMoving hastle, were you paid directly to your masterbucks or was it in the form of epik in store credit?

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The masterbucks withdraw fee's may have varied over times, initially I believe paypal was free payouts (as was a 2019 case of mine, where after the 9% commission fee. I received the exact amount in paypal as my masterbucks payout sent friends and family from epik holdings llc) and if you use an ounce of your anger towards researching, I'm sure you'll find more, and be able to build a more precise picture of the domainer > epik escrow > masterbucks relationship.

As is now Derick, it's almost as if you have no clear idea as to how masterbucks/epikescrow actually worked, and changed over the years. To get better answers, it might help to associate a time frame with the expected masterbucks payout, as it apparently varied overtime. Asking questions such as what was the % rate of return in expected masterbucks we were promised almost sounds more related to the previous vision of masterbucks prior to their explosive growth after the epik escrow integration. It's almost as if you are trying to correlate domain payouts with an expected interest rate of return is absolutely obsurd consenting there was often times a withdraw or commission fee (negative rate of return) imposed to epikescrow/masterbucks, not a interest rate gained from masterbucks.

Evolving past the initial promotion of epikescrow/masterbucks, to 2022, a post from @yardgs shows a screenshot of of the masterbucks(.)com/fee withdraw rates.



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IDK if its just my system or that I still need to go thru their KYC, but masterbucks.com/fee is currently resolving to a page not found (while being logged in or logged out) error.

I am not talking about withdrawal fees, I'm talking about the percent of return that was promised (annual rate of return) to DIFFERENT users as an incentive to keep them from withdrawing (aka converting) their funds from masterbucks to USD.

The increase in withdrawal fees is just another attempt to keep people from withdrawing (converting) their masterbucks.

BECAUSE EPIK DOESN'T HAVE THE USD TO PAY OUT. That is what a Ponzi scheme is and they are illegal and Rob has been running one for many years.

You really don't know what you are talking about. Enough with your weird rants and insults.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

Other masterbuck wallets may have been funded different than from domain sales, as soemthimes direct epik instore credit can be applied for a various of reasons (such as bug bounty payouts) before sending epik account credit to masterbucks. @bmugford -- when you received a (I think a $XXX payout) from the PianoMoving hastle, were you paid directly to your masterbucks or was it in the form of epik in store credit?

As a good faith gesture, I did just now go ahead and add $500 in Epik credit to your account.

@bmugford -- I assume you received in store epik credit from the PianoMoving fiasco? Does your instore credit received invoice perhaps show anything differently than mine, perhaps a payment method for where the $500 of epik in store credit appeared from?

I don't want to sound cynical and don't assume in-store epik credit was given out like candy, just trying to piece things together, as in-store credit is shirley accounted for somewhere and not just created out of thin air. Right?

...


To add to this, in 2020, I received a small $50 bug bounty in-store credit for some nameLiquidate feedback. I tried searching my masterbucks account for a record of this, but since I spent that credit on epik via domains, there is no masterbucks record, or withdraw.

There is however, a clear record of all in-store credit transactions, which includes an invoice from epik on how the instore credit was applied to my account.

...

The below epik instore deposit receipt was not a deposit made by me, rather it was the in-store credit transferred to me from Rob.

Compare this invoice to the times I fund epik instore credit myself, the only difference appears to be the description changing from "bug bounty" to "add funds".

Notably missing from these deposit invoices is the payment source (not payment destination) used to deposit the funds (either when I deposited in store credit or when rob deposited bug bounty credits). Thus, it is not immediately clear how epik bug bounty instore credits were funded with. Perhaps their backend accounting is more detailed.

FWIW, I don't know how many other bug bounty payments went out, or how epik affiliates or employee's were paid, but IF (any or a lot of it) was via epik in store credit, then I think it seems possible that the in-store credit could have been turned into masterbucks and subsquently withdrawn, which could be one factor/theory to how masterbucks overleveraged/commingled/whavertheydid to itself?

This is just speculative theory of course, as the screenshot of the former epik employee intelliname could have accumulated a $30k balance in domain sales, (or his alleged high priced epik compensation shirley could have afforded such deposits) rather than affiliate pay or otherwise related to epik in store credit.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

I'm talking about the percent of return that was promised (annual rate of return) to DIFFERENT users as an incentive to keep them from withdrawing (aka converting) their funds from masterbucks to USD.

Not that I should expect anything decent of you, as you have already been asked repeatedly to no avail, can you share a shred of proof, or testimony, of users being incentivized via annual rate of return, not to withdraw their masterbucks or epik credit?

You really don't know what you are talking about.

You're right, I have yet to see an example of folks being offered an APR not to withdraw their masterbucks. I wouldn't be surprised if this came to light, or if your monster obsession led you to this discovery, but for the love of domains man, can you please start sharing public proof of your accusations, and...

... stop with your creepyAf harassing rhetoric. ie in what world is it appropriate for a man with a lengthy obsession of rob monster to publicly state on a public forum that he will personally enter Rob's family home to cut out his cabinets in pursuit of restitution. That's bat shit crazy man, and creates an atmosphere of bullying that heavens forbid his family sees your words and develops fears of some madman entering their home in the middle of the night chainsaw in hand removing their kitchen cabinets. I had hoped you learned from your previous forum restrictions, but until proven otherwise, you'll always be that weird rob monster grifter.

 

[topdom]

I didn't know masterbucks earn interest. As far as I know masterbucks doesn't earn interest. But Epik should pay interest if they are delaying payments (and this may not be enough). Also they can offer deposit accounts under masterbucks, so they can keep more cash, or save on complaints; but of course they need to improve their credbility first. They need to get cash from somewhere, for example they can get loan for home improvement, use it to pay all masterbucks debt at once.

 

[Derek Peterson]

Let's ignore the distractions and focus on the things that matter, getting people paid that have been hurt by Monster's lies and understanding the scam that is happening and has been happening for many years so no one else gets hurt in the future. Exposing Epik's Ponzi scheme, also known as MasterBucks, has definitely got Epik folks rattled and on full attack and distraction mode because they know that is the kind of thing that gets a guy put in jail for realz.

The stories I have heard of Rob and Brian threatening people and trying to silence them for simply telling the truth and trying to get THEIR money back infuriate me to no end. Rob has threatened me dozens of times with lawsuits, even just last week, and he has even hinted at doing more. I have not said a single thing that isn't true and he knows it. We also know he's not above hiring professional psychopaths to crank call, threaten and even harass family members of those who dare to write articles about Monster. Rob acts like a criminal gangster.

Thank you to all those that have already responded privately with info on the annual rate of return you were given or promised for keeping your funds in MasterBucks but we could use more. I'm trying to determine if the rates increased as the pressure grew for cash the way the fees increased as the pressure for cash increased. They were trying hard on both directions, incentivizing and penalizing, to keep people from converting masterbucks back into USD because they didn't have the real money as we know from Barrie's posts, they never did. They had some temporarily last year but that money has been demanded back after the investors figured out Rob was a fraud.

This isn't just about escrow funds, it's about all Masterbucks funds, whether they got there from a domain sale, bounty, escrow transaction or whatever the case may be. That was Barrie's point when he exposed Rob for only having $50K in cash, no where near enough to cover masterbucks cash outs.

There could very well be millions more still in masterbucks that people are coasting along with thinking they are gonna get 5-10% returns on their masterbucks unaware of all this escrow drama and the last thing Monster wants is for those people to catch wind of the fact that Masterbucks is a ponzi scam and try to cashout their masterbucks as well. The notion that Monster is trying to silence people because he cares about his reputation is just beyond naive. If he cared about his reputation he would be on here explaining what happened and apologizing. Instead, he is threatening people and sending shills to attack and distract, anything to keep it as quit as possible so no one else requests cash outs so he can buy time so he can scam more money to keep the scam alive.

Maybe someone should let all of Epik's customers know that their masterbucks are worthless and Epik is paying out on a first come first serve basis.

 

[Embrand]

This is quite a disturbing review:

https://www.trustpilot.com/reviews/637f4b70252cba2c02e23eae

DomainEmpire.com with apparently $1.5 million stuck, and they claim that Epik did indeed offer interest rates to avoid having to pay out.

They also think Epik will lose their ICANN accreditation.

By the way, the thread about the Masterbucks' "maintenance" over at the other forum presumably owned by Epik seems to have mysteriously disappeared.

 

[D Haynes]

This is quite a disturbing review:

https://www.trustpilot.com/reviews/637f4b70252cba2c02e23eae

DomainEmpire.com with apparently $1.5 million stuck, and they claim that Epik did indeed offer interest rates to avoid having to pay out.

They also think Epik will lose their ICANN accreditation.

By the way, the thread about the Masterbucks' "maintenance" over at the other forum presumably owned by Epik seems to have mysteriously disappeared.

Yikes! So much for that 800k ballance sheet.