question DAN vs. Afternic, which is better?

[OhYeah]

Hi there, I'm considering listing my names at Dan or Afternic. Just was wondering which got you more sales, Afternic or Dan?

Thank you in advance!

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

This is an excellent strategy. Good to know.

Well, you do have to ask for special permission to do so---at least when I first signed on. The advantage is that someone interested in one type of domains gets to see those types.
Note though that this could affect your status as a trusted seller. There was, at least in the past, the need for five sales before you were given the label.. If there are multiple accounts, it's unclear that you can have that designation across the board, unless each had the required number of sales. That may be worth checking on, before you proceed with splitting the portfolio in to the "niche" collections.

 

[Hootsifer]

The guys at dan are great, more friendly and less robotic. The site is super user friendly and functioning, and the landing pages are the best bar none. However, the amount of false inquiries on there is out of control. So I recommend just setting BIN prices and disabling offers of any kind. That way, you will know when they sell.

Afternic doesn't F around. When you get the email something sold, it sold...at least from my experiences.

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

The guys at dan are great, more friendly and less robotic. The site is super user friendly and functioning, and the landing pages are the best bar none. However, the amount of false inquiries on there is out of control. So I recommend just setting BIN prices and disabling offers of any kind. That way, you will know when they sell.

That's good to know. Have you had more success overall with DAN or Afternic?

 

[Hootsifer]

I've had more inquiries on dan but more actual sales on afternic.

 

[topdom]

Does Dan have mls?
Can we change price for mls/dls domains?
Can we cancel mls/dls at Afternic directly? / in bulk?

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

I've had more inquiries on dan but more actual sales on afternic.

Same here. Thanks for the insight.
I'm curious if, on Afternic, you simply have only BIN as well. There is the ability to put a minimum price, and when they can start negotiating a final price. That didn't seem to work, so I went to straight BIN for most of my domains, with the minimum the same as the final price.

 

[Hootsifer]

Yes minimum same as BIN works.

 

[Ste Ven]

Note though that this could affect your status as a trusted seller. There was, at least in the past, the need for five sales before you were given the label.. If there are multiple accounts, it's unclear that you can have that designation across the board, unless each had the required number of sales. That may be worth checking on, before you proceed with splitting the portfolio in to the "niche" collections.

Noted. If each account was treated independently I could see the requirement applying to both.

Thanks

 

[Fancy.domains]

I am selling more via Afternic, but I prefer to sell via Dan. They charge less commission. I also prefer their website structure etc.

Both are owned by GoDaddy, as you probably know already.

 

[Ste Ven]

Both are owned by GoDaddy, as you probably know already.

You would think that they would mirror the functionality of things that are working on both platforms.
Landing pages for example.

 

[topdom]

At Afternic we are dependent on agents. They collect leads at Godaddy, and we can't be sure what will happen next. Those leads can just be ignored before or after a price request.
At Dan, domains don't resolve fast enough. Also people can accept or cancel and offer unknowingly, because the system was designed this way, to let bulk buyers save time; but we are trying to sell to endusers, not to domain investors or agents.
None is good enough. Most possible sales won't be realized, or become victim to lowballing, because of the way all these marketplaces are designed. Why not just make things perfect. Because perfect for us doesn't mean perfect for them , although in theory their profit should be proportional to ours.

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

You would think that they would mirror the functionality of things that are working on both platforms.
Landing pages for example.

Yes, that would be nice.
Why not have BIN allowed on both Afternic AND Dan? BIN is quoted generally to have a 3x higher likelihood of sale, over the "make offer." This could be an immediate improvement under GoDaddy's leadership.

 

[Igor Mironyuk]

I list on Dan and Afternic. The more exposure, the better!

 

[Igor Mironyuk]

Yes, that would be nice.
Why not have BIN allowed on both Afternic AND Dan? BIN is quoted generally to have a 3x higher likelihood of sale, over the "make offer." This could be an immediate improvement under GoDaddy's leadership.

I list each my domain with one price on all marketplaces.

 

[Centauri]

Isn't it strange.

We have the godaddy/DAN merge since some months now, and still one have to manually list domains there and here...

instead of having the option of syncing.

(Additionally, they should add some possibility to *easily* auctionize confirmed domains).

 

[Peter45]

Isn't it strange.

We have the godaddy/DAN merge since some months now, and still one have to manually list domains there and here...

instead of having the option of syncing.

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[HostGeeks.com]

Just letting you know, DAN.com can be blocked by some company firewalls, so imagine a skyscraper full of people unable to access your domain page.

I am moving my domains to afternic lander soon, to see if it helps, if not then Squadhelp lander, i know that works for sure on my company firewall

 

[topdom]

They are all bad. I repeat everywhere, but NONE improves themselves.
Because being bad means more profit in a dishonest way.

MARKETPLACES SEEM TO HAVE TWO PURPOSES:

-Collect leads from real endusers
-Buy from domainers anonymously

Start from Epik. It was great. It was working. Their registrar was the best. Their marketplace was the best.
Now their marketplace works, but they get all the profit, they used their MASTERBUCKS scambucks-1 until recently, and they separated MASTERBUCKS-Scambucks1 from Epik, together with your money, and don't accept any responsibility for your money they left at their MASTERBUCKS-scambucks1-wallet. Pure instult to everyone's iq. Next, they invented MARKETPLACE-Scambucks-2. New sales money goes there. They claim money went to instore, but no, it really goes to SCAMBUCKS-2 wallet of Epik. And next thing they will do:separate their scambucks-2 from EPik, and accept no responsibilty for your money left there.
They switched from being the best to being a domain terrorist (killing your domains and money earned from domains, also killing our time and patience). NEW: YOU CAN'T REMOVE DOMAINS FROM THEIR MARKETPLACE. THEY CAN BUY ALL YOUR DOMAINS WITH THEIR OWN SCAMBUCKS.

Dynadot: They are too dependent on cloudflare. Cloudlfare can block anything, and they really do. Things get worse everyday.

SEDO: Their search engine sucks totally. it is totally useless, plus, people may not find your domain with almost exact search. Sedo's purpose is clearly to collect leads, rather than making a fair sale possible. You will get lowballs, and fake offers, which indicate domainer/agent activity rather than real enduser activity. And all this is intentional: they hide buyer info, and give seller's info to fake buyers for free; while it should be the exact opposite. Also once the buyer is ready to pay by cc, they discourage payment, by adding CC fees, this way they collect leads, and prevent sales.

DAN: As said above. Dan first killed itself, instead of fixing bugs, they added more bugs. And they were killed by AN/GD.

Now we are left with AN/GD. We should be happy with only 15 percent commission, and high prestige of GD right? No, first their landing pages are not indexable. Second, your fixed prices are not visible. People need to call GD, or send a message to GD. You will never know about those messages. GD agents then can do one of these:
1. Not do anything, keep the lead, and wait until the domain expires, and then drop catch or grab via registrar auctions without much competition. PURE LOSS for the seller.
2. They can try to buy from another marketplace, lowball at Sedo, or Dan to secure a low price, and separately negotiate with the buyer. Or make price request at Afternic.
3. Contact you directly. They can be completely honest about it, but they will think they will get away by not being so, They can buy and sell simultaneously, to make things look like 2 legitimate purchases.

How could we prevent arbitrage attempts, and avoid killing sale from such attempts: Add a visible price somewhere, which should be a little over your asking price. this way you can keep agents motivated enough,
and scared enough at the same time, to make a reasonable sale possible, with some small arbitrage amount. BUT THEY DON'T SHOW PRICES ON LANDING PAGES, and landing pages are not indexable, so if you want to let endusers see your price easily, you need a non-AN/GD landing pages. But this would mean 25 percent , instead of 15 percent commissiion. May still be worth it.
But where should you list them. Epik: No, Epik will buy with scambucks. Sedo: Sedo is also trying to prevent sales. also making listing domains time consuming, and promising to give your info to any fake buyer for free. and agents know this.

Domaining is getting naster everytday.

Dynadot has many good aspects, but: cloudflare is extremely annoying, insulting visitors by saying "are you human", before visitors can learn it is a for sale landing page. it can block access from any party. Also Dynadot has an ugly name, no reason to trust such as an awkward sounding site. We like it as domainers, but because we know how it is like. For newcomers it is a turnoff.

 

[Igor Mironyuk]

They are all bad. I repeat everywhere, but NONE improves themselves.
Because being bad means more profit in a dishonest way.

MARKETPLACES SEEM TO HAVE TWO PURPOSES:

-Collect leads from real endusers
-Buy from domainers anonymously

Start from Epik. It was great. It was working. Their registrar was the best. Their marketplace was the best.
Now their marketplace works, but they get all the profit, they used their MASTERBUCKS scambucks-1 until recently, and they separated MASTERBUCKS-Scambucks1 from Epik, together with your money, and don't accept any responsibility for your money they left at their MASTERBUCKS-scambucks1-wallet. Pure instult to everyone's iq. Next, they invented MARKETPLACE-Scambucks-2. New sales money goes there. They claim money went to instore, but no, it really goes to SCAMBUCKS-2 wallet of Epik. And next thing they will do:separate their scambucks-2 from EPik, and accept no responsibilty for your money left there.
They switched from being the best to being a domain terrorist (killing your domains and money earned from domains, also killing our time and patience). NEW: YOU CAN'T REMOVE DOMAINS FROM THEIR MARKETPLACE. THEY CAN BUY ALL YOUR DOMAINS WITH THEIR OWN SCAMBUCKS.

Dynadot: They are too dependent on cloudflare. Cloudlfare can block anything, and they really do. Things get worse everyday.

SEDO: Their search engine sucks totally. it is totally useless, plus, people may not find your domain with almost exact search. Sedo's purpose is clearly to collect leads, rather than making a fair sale possible. You will get lowballs, and fake offers, which indicate domainer/agent activity rather than real enduser activity. And all this is intentional: they hide buyer info, and give seller's info to fake buyers for free; while it should be the exact opposite. Also once the buyer is ready to pay by cc, they discourage payment, by adding CC fees, this way they collect leads, and prevent sales.

DAN: As said above. Dan first killed itself, instead of fixing bugs, they added more bugs. And they were killed by AN/GD.

Now we are left with AN/GD. We should be happy with only 15 percent commission, and high prestige of GD right? No, first their landing pages are not indexable. Second, your fixed prices are not visible. People need to call GD, or send a message to GD. You will never know about those messages. GD agents then can do one of these:
1. Not do anything, keep the lead, and wait until the domain expires, and then drop catch or grab via registrar auctions without much competition. PURE LOSS for the seller.
2. They can try to buy from another marketplace, lowball at Sedo, or Dan to secure a low price, and separately negotiate with the buyer. Or make price request at Afternic.
3. Contact you directly. They can be completely honest about it, but they will think they will get away by not being so, They can buy and sell simultaneously, to make things look like 2 legitimate purchases.

How could we prevent arbitrage attempts, and avoid killing sale from such attempts: Add a visible price somewhere, which should be a little over your asking price. this way you can keep agents motivated enough,
and scared enough at the same time, to make a reasonable sale possible, with some small arbitrage amount. BUT THEY DON'T SHOW PRICES ON LANDING PAGES, and landing pages are not indexable, so if you want to let endusers see your price easily, you need a non-AN/GD landing pages. But this would mean 25 percent , instead of 15 percent commissiion. May still be worth it.
But where should you list them. Epik: No, Epik will buy with scambucks. Sedo: Sedo is also trying to prevent sales. also making listing domains time consuming, and promising to give your info to any fake buyer for free. and agents know this.

Domaining is getting naster everytday.

Dynadot has many good aspects, but: cloudflare is extremely annoying, insulting visitors by saying "are you human", before visitors can learn it is a for sale landing page. it can block access from any party. Also Dynadot has an ugly name, no reason to trust such as an awkward sounding site. We like it as domainers, but because we know how it is like. For newcomers it is a turnoff.

So what's the right way? Host mini site writing Domain is for sale for {price} ?

 

[Samer]

Both are now owned by the same company.

 

[topdom]

So what's the right way? Host mini site writing Domain is for sale for {price} ?

There can be many ways, but collecting leads and hiding them from actual domain owners, or using them to lowball elsewhere, and do arbitrage,..these are all wrong.

If there is a buyer, we should be informed about it. Any hints about the buyer is bonus. If we add a fixed price, it should be visible, because it is our intention; saying, contact Godaddy or call Godaddy, is not fair. Showing price and/or allowing buyers to contact owners is a good way, a sale becomes more likely, and once domain sells, agent/marketplace makes more money this way, if they are honest.

Epik's method is almost perfect: except 1. They also see buyer's messages, and potentially manipulate them, and 2. they pretend they are owners when domain expires, and , 3. MOST IMPORTANTLY, they steal all the money. If Epik didn't steal money, it would be the best. but they steal the money, so they are the worst.