discuss THE CONS OF .COM

[WNC HOLDINGS]

For those who are fond of downvoting, proceed to doing so if you haven’t already. Yes, you read it correctly. We welcome your downvote. Most of what you read post this point will likely be considered unpopular by the “conventional domain investors” who subscribe to “.com tribalism”. With this stated, let’s get the -23 reputation score up to, or past, a record -100.

Now, there’s a simple question we’d like to pose:

WHAT ARE THE CONS OF THE .COM?

It’s apparent that many domain investors live by the “.com only” investment strategy. Whether this is by choice OR not having the courage/ability to endorse something new is what many don’t openly discuss. We’ve noticed that some investors act like a scorned ex when they hear about any extension other than their beloved .com. Some people might call it an obsession; while others might say it’s “normal”. We simply ask “why”?

Does the .com have any greater utility than any other extension? Last we checked, it doesn’t seem to offer too much beyond what other extensions offer. Does being a die-hard endorser of .com mean one can actually “own” the domains they rent at some point? Does “renting” a .com equate to being immune to online censorship? We’re NOT asking for a friend. We’re inquiring for those who’ve “thought it” but didn’t “ask it”.

We want your thoughts on what makes the .com so supreme. The broken record that is “top sales” and “web traffic” aren’t necessary here. Please forgo the “I also have .net, .org and some .xyz’s” counter. There are over 1000+ ICANN TLDs; and we’d like to know why YOU single out one and treat a few others like slot-filling sidekicks. It feels like the .com bubble is haunting the domain investment world. Maybe it’s just a dream though.

Share your thoughts below. Don’t be shy. Show your devotion to the .com and the downvote.

(Smiles)

Chris
WNC HOLDINGS

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

Is this auction on Sedo market manipulation as well?

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$99 reserve

Take care Mad, it’s been fun

 

[MadAboutDomains]

You finally addressed what I said, let me bask in this “magical moment” of you not replying to my comments with a smart alec response ...

And let me correct you again, it is absolutely market manipulation, and you’re blind if you cannot see it, what if the shoe was on the other side of the foot, what if SEDO told you that you cannot submit .com domains unless you own Verisign ... but anyone else with new .extensions could sell their names freely anytime they wanted so long as the auction was up ...

And you really don’t see anything wrong with that ? What ... it’s only because it doesn’t effect you ?

Let’s talk about .com ... we have said a lot about GTLDs and the current market manipulation,

O.com is currently for sale, did you know that ? Well let’s pretend that you did

ICANN gave permission to Verisign to sell O.com “on one contingency” that Verisign could only profit from the sale by the registration fee of $7.85 (at the said time) and the rest of the proceeds would go to charity ...

Do you think Verisign is gonna sell the name ? And if you look at it, knowing how you’ll answer, you two are best suited for each other, keep supporting them just like they support you with their shady practices and secret acquisitions of .extensions they told you not to invest in.

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Enjoy your holiday, conversation is over.

You called me a retard and swore at me multiple times, let's not talk about who's the smart Alec and who isn't.

No I don't have a problem with a platform deciding that new gtlds aren't part of their great domains auction. The reason being is that most of them aren't great domains.

But the other thing is that you are wrong, you're speaking without even looking. Look at this email I got from Sedo on 22nd June about their great domains auction...

Spoiler: it contains a new gtld.

 

[Future Sensors]

Spoiler: it contains a new gtld.

And a pretty good one too. The term fits the extension well. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

You called me a retard and swore at me multiple times, let's not talk about who's the smart Alec and who isn't.

No I don't have a problem with a platform deciding that new gtlds aren't part of their great domains auction. The reason being is that most of them aren't great domains.

But the other thing is that you are wrong, you're speaking without even looking. Look at this email I got from Sedo on 22nd June about their great domains auction...

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Spoiler: it contains a new gtld.

If you check what I wrote you again Mad, you’ll see I removed my cursing and language towards you after editing my posts, however your juxtaposition to say that the problem doesn’t exist is the reason the problem does exist ...

I get it, it doesn’t effect you so why do you care ... but it’s incredibly aggravating to discuss something and you argue about something completely different

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Sure Mad, we can carry on the conversation,

Do you know who owns wallets.xyz

It’s more then likely .XYZ themselves utilizing the services of Anonymize since their “who.is” doesn’t pull up anything ...

 

[MadAboutDomains]

If you check what I wrote you again Mad, you’ll see I removed my cursing and language towards you, however your juxtaposition to say that the problem doesn’t exist is the reason the problem does exist ... I get it, it doesn’t effect you so why do you care ...

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Sure Mad, we can carry on the conversation,

Do you know who owns wallets.xyz

It’s more then likely .XYZ themselves utilizing the services of Anonymize since their “who.is” doesn’t pull up anything ...

https://www.namepros.com/threads/wallets-xyz.1268386/

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

https://www.namepros.com/threads/wallets-xyz.1268386/

The plot thickens ^ very very interesting, maybe the first example of a GTLD we are seeing approved by SEDO for release,

wallets.xyz

Actually I’ll applaud you on finding that ^ it appears that Arif Arafat Rusho is a real “private domain investor” with some interesting sales ...

Let’s see what this one GTLD example will attain at the auction ^

 

[bmugford]

Listen get off your high horse.

Forget the name, and recognize the problem.

If you can’t see the problem then no offense, you shouldn’t be here.

Sorry, but this is not an echo chamber. People can have their own thoughts and opinions and do belong here.

.Com is far more popular, desired, and valuable than all other extensions. That is simply the market speaking.

So then, what is "the problem"?

I buy and sell non .com also, but the reality is simply the reality. There is far more money in .Com than any other extension because of demand.

Brad

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

https://www.namepros.com/threads/wallets-xyz.1268386/

Mad, your post intrigued me to dig deepe

Sorry, but this is not an echo chamber. People can have their own thoughts and opinions and do belong here.

.Com is far more popular, desired, and valuable than all other extensions. That is simply the market speaking.

So then, what is "the problem"?

I buy and sell non .com also, but the reality is simply the reality. There is far more money in .Com than any other extension because of demand.

Brad

Simply repeating what I’ve already said if you had taken the time to read thoroughly,

But no worries, wouldn’t expect anything less

 

[bmugford]

Mad, your post intrigued me to dig deepe


Simply repeating what I’ve already said if you had taken the time to read thoroughly,

But no worries, wouldn’t expect anything less

I skimmed over it. The posts seem long with a bunch of whining about market manipulation and stuff.

When in reality, the issue is just lack of actual demand.

Brad

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

I skimmed over it. The posts seem long with a bunch of whining about market manipulation and stuff.

When in reality, the issue is just lack of actual demand.

Brad

I’m a SEDO member, I am aware of the Great Domains Auction ending last week,

I couldn’t find any results regarding the majority .com domain names submitted (150) of them ^ nor any results for the .com names or wallets.xyz ^

If you happen to have a link to the auction results, that would be mighty appreciated

It’s been a week and a half now

Update - found them

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/...domains-auction-june-2022-topped-by-voice-de/

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

I am scrolling along reading occasional post now. Please keep them under 1000 words.
And be nice, even though we know who loves the heated debate. Each extension is a religion. Continue preaching. And you buddy really act like a hot shot broker. Does your reputation here not matter?

Listen get off your high horse.

Forget the name, and recognize the problem.

If you can’t see the problem then no offense, you shouldn’t be here.

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

I am scrolling along reading occasional post now. Please keep them under 1000 words.
And be nice, even though we know who loves the heated debate. Each extension is a religion. Continue preaching. And you buddy really act like a hot shot broker. Does your reputation here not matter?

I don’t broker names anymore, and I stand for the truth ! I applauded Mad for his findings on wallets.xyz which was the only GTLD submission I could find submitted to SEDOs Great Domain Auction that was approved for a private investor < that said where are the results of the auction with the other 150 .com domain names ^ It’s been a week and a half now

Update - found them - and unfortunately the only words I have to say, “no wonder the results were difficult to find” ...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/...domains-auction-june-2022-topped-by-voice-de/

 

[Joshh71390]

If “Alexa” was still a thing, I’d gladly invite you to look up the Alexa rank of both,

https://shop.app

&

https://shop.com

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The ranking isn’t even close ^ In fact if I told you that https://shop.app was ranking by 300% over https://shop.com you would probably fall out of your chair

For the purposes of supporting my argument, I will further explain this and provide another example that I also believe is significant

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93% of all web traffic is via a search engine. The average CTR for the first position on a Google search query is 19.3%. 46% of all Google searches are linked to something local. 98% of all internet users use a conventional search engine at least once a month.

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And so let’s look at another random example - https://block.com and https://block.xyz ^ quite possibly the most controversial example that will prove I know what I’m talking about,

Block.com / 96% Bounce Rate ... Ouch
(Visited just before)
22.2% linkedin.com
(Visited right after)
25.9% google.com
25.9% instagram.com

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Block.xyz / 45.8% Bounce Rate
(Visited just before)
26.1% twitter.com
13.7% google.com
11.1% squareup.com
3.92% linkedin.com
(Visited right after)
24.7% twitter.com
16.9% google.com
9.74% tidal.com
7.14% squareup.com

~ (December 2021) ~

Block.xyz - Alexa Rank - # 112,371

Block.com - Alexa Rank - # 547,189

Ranking 500% above the .com example ^

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(Also announced) Square owns Spiral.xyz

Spiral.xyz - Alexa Rank - # 412,040

Spiral.com - Alexa Rank - not even ranking

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And so now you say, wow Alessandro those are a lot of numbers, but couldn’t it just be the fact that Shopify obviously has a more large marketing budget and so does Square aka https://cash.app or https://cash.me or https://block.xyz

Certainly ^ you could argue that point, what I will argue is the advancement of the internet and the web3 space ^ which is having to constantly change and formulate ways for new business’ (.com) or (.whatever) to exist ^

I also do not believe it to be a coincidence that Fortune 500 companies including (but not limited to) Google, and Amazon are using shell companies to invest in new .extensions ^ and or are buying out applications by the bulk @ $175,000 a piece, that’s a considerable amount of $ for anyone to waste on a “hunch”

It’s because it’s not a hunch, look at where we have gotten in just 35 years, 1.88B sites and growing ^^^ another ten years at a rapid growth given the introduction and rise of crypto, ai, vr, nfts, defi, ar, etc. etc. etc.

Take a look in your spare time > will give you a much more clear idea of what we can anticipate ^ from what I said above,

https://www.iana.org/domains/root/db

again your just saying something thats a fact... then drawing an irrelivent conclution... We as domainers -> sell to endusers... or other domainers who plan on selling to end users... -> I could develop a website aa;ldsfka;fdads;fj.neongreenkiwi -> that pays people 100 dollars per visit... And it's going to have a pretty good alexa rating... (ps alexa is still a thing)
Your saying shop.com had less traffic then shop.app -> sure maybe thats true... but we are not a developers (i actually am a developer lol but for the sake of this argument...) forum we are a domain investor forum... The 1 sale of shop.com i think was 2 million dollars -> compared to 200k or whatever you say shop.app was worth..
We are not saying you cant develop a successful site at a random extension... cause you can do whatever you want...

If you are buying shop.app it is becuase you have a product to tie it to... which adds the value that will come with the name... -> the name itself is second to the product... Where as a domain investor your product is the name itself... so you want to put yourself in a position that is based of the most statisticaly sound logic... aka going with names that follow market trends...

We are simply saying... those extensions exist ... for people to avoid buying domains from domain investors... So To try to build a business model around around putting yourself in a position where your only customers are people who openly dont want to buy domains second hand... isnt the best move

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

again your just saying something thats a fact... then drawing an irrelivent conclution... We as domainers -> sell to endusers... or other domainers who plan on selling to end users... -> I could develop a website aa;ldsfka;fdads;fj.neongreenkiwi -> that pays people 100 dollars per visit... And it's going to have a pretty good alexa rating... (ps alexa is still a thing)
Your saying shop.com had less traffic then shop.app -> sure maybe thats true... but we are not a developers (i actually am a developer lol but for the sake of this argument...) forum we are a domain investor forum... The 1 sale of shop.com i think was 2 million dollars -> compared to 200k or whatever you say shop.app was worth..
We are not saying you cant develop a successful site at a random extension... cause you can do whatever you want...

If you are buying shop.app it is becuase you have a product to tie it to... which adds the value that will come with the name... -> the name itself is second to the product... Where as a domain investor your product is the name itself... so you want to put yourself in a position that is based of the most statisticaly sound logic... aka going with names that follow market trends...

We are simply saying... those extensions exist ... for people to avoid buying domains from domain investors... So To try to build a business model around around putting yourself in a position where your only customers are people who openly dont want to buy domains second hand... isnt the best move

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

again your just saying something thats a fact... then drawing an irrelivent conclution... We as domainers -> sell to endusers... or other domainers who plan on selling to end users... -> I could develop a website aa;ldsfka;fdads;fj.neongreenkiwi -> that pays people 100 dollars per visit... And it's going to have a pretty good alexa rating... (ps alexa is still a thing)
Your saying shop.com had less traffic then shop.app -> sure maybe thats true... but we are not a developers (i actually am a developer lol but for the sake of this argument...) forum we are a domain investor forum... The 1 sale of shop.com i think was 2 million dollars -> compared to 200k or whatever you say shop.app was worth..
We are not saying you cant develop a successful site at a random extension... cause you can do whatever you want...

If you are buying shop.app it is becuase you have a product to tie it to... which adds the value that will come with the name... -> the name itself is second to the product... Where as a domain investor your product is the name itself... so you want to put yourself in a position that is based of the most statisticaly sound logic... aka going with names that follow market trends...

We are simply saying... those extensions exist ... for people to avoid buying domains from domain investors... So To try to build a business model around around putting yourself in a position where your only customers are people who openly dont want to buy domains second hand... isnt the best move

Let me be clear here,

I am not against .com / I Invest in both GTLDs and .com / what I do not invest in is the pure hypocrisy of private solo .com investors saying that the market is not treated in their favor, because from an investor standpoint it certainly is

Because of both $ and 10:10 “time”

Albeit I will acknowledge the fact that SEDO did approve and list a new GTLD which generated one of the top sales of the “poor auction” and that’s what that is, a clear example that someone at SEDO isn’t picking the right names or the names that are being picked

The results I listed above - wow

Meanwhile what does that tell you, you got people selling names left and right, from .xyz to .com for six to seven figures ... while the auction couldn’t even sustain a $250,000 gross ... no words

 

[bmugford]

Let me be clear here,

I am not against .com / I Invest in both GTLDs and .com / what I do not invest in is the pure hypocrisy of private solo .com investors saying that the market is not treated in their favor, because from an investor standpoint it certainly is

How so? Companies go where the money is. There is simply much more money in .COM.
It is am undeniable fact.

Albeit I will acknowledge the fact that SEDO did approve and list a new GTLD which generated one of the top sales of the “poor auction” and that’s what that is, a clear example that someone at SEDO isn’t picking the right names or the names that are being picked

Meanwhile what does that tell you, you got people selling names left and right, from .xyz to .com for six to seven figures ... while the auction couldn’t even sustain a $250,000 gross ... no words

That's a bit of a stretch.

.COM has had (77) reported six figure sales on NameBio in the last year. (12) of $1M+.

.XYZ has (4) reported six figure sales in the same time period. There is only (1) other reported six figure sale of any other new gTLD in the same time period.

Maybe the issue is your expectations.

SEDO auctions are for resellers pretty much. You could just list a domain on GoDaddy auctions, NameJet, etc. and see similar results more than likely.

Brad

 

[MadAboutDomains]

Let me be clear here,

I am not against .com / I Invest in both GTLDs and .com / what I do not invest in is the pure hypocrisy of private solo .com investors saying that the market is not treated in their favor, because from an investor standpoint it certainly is

Is there a thread of people saying this or is it just you getting annoyed that Sedo or others don't like your domains or new gtlds? They are allowed to not like them.

Where should the annoyance start and end? Should they sell the things that they believe are going to sell or not and what right does anyone have to tell them what they should and shouldn't sell based on their knowledge of the domain market?

Should I be annoyed that Sedo won't sell my sofa on the great domains auction? Should I get annoyed that they won't accept my bad .com?

Albeit I will acknowledge the fact that SEDO did approve and list a new GTLD which generated one of the top sales of the “poor auction” and that’s what that is,

The results I listed above - wow

Meanwhile what does that tell you, you guy people selling names left and right, from .xyz to .com for six to seven figures ... while the auction couldn’t even sustain a $250,000 gross ... no words

I'm sorry I can't work out what you're saying again.

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

Is there a thread of people saying this or is it just you getting annoyed that Sedo or others doesn't like your domains or new gtlds? They are allowed to not like them.

Where should the annoyance start and end? Should they sell the things that they believe are going to sell or not and what right does anyone have to tell them what they should and shouldn't sell based on their knowledge of the domain market?

Should I be annoyed that Sedo won't sell my sofa on the great domains auction? Should I get annoyed that they won't accept my bad .com?


I'm sorry I can't work out what you're saying again.

First off my friend Mad, I’m halfway finished with the bottle so I’ll lay it on you,

I was responding to someone else, not you, but again I love how you twisted my words to fit once again your narrative.

If a name is bad, c’est la vie ! wines.xyz is not a bad name, mortgage.loans is not a bad name ^ look who owns mortgage.com and mortgage.biz * so to you; it’s a fucking legendary name,

A name that commands a trillion dollar market ^

You made it personal so why not, still haven’t seen your portfolio of good names, please allow me to be the judge since I represented names like 77.com, SW.com, AI.com, Cats.com, VR.com WW.com, PU.com etc I believe I have a greater idea of what constitutes a Great Name

By the way, I obtained a $3,000,000 cash offer from HTC to buy VR.com - the owners (anything.com) failed to execute, the name is still for sale.

And you’re absolutely right, what was I thinking, $130,000 is obviously great gross numbers for the legendary SEDO great domain auction

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

How so? Companies go where the money is. There is simply much more money in .COM.
It is am undeniable fact.



That's a bit of a stretch.

.COM has had (77) reported six figure sales on NameBio in the last year. (12) of $1M+.

.XYZ has (4) reported six figure sales in the same time period. There is only (1) other reported six figure sale of any other new gTLD in the same time period.

Maybe the issue is your expectations.

SEDO auctions are for resellers pretty much. You could just list a domain on GoDaddy auctions, NameJet, etc. and see similar results more than likely.

Brad

12 sales ! Wow Brad, I’m so impressed ! Meanwhile BAYC is laughing in our face with a $5,000,000,000 market valuation because you and me don’t seem to get a long when it is clearly obvious that which we are arguing is a more valuable tool in terms of business growth and value, wether it is .com or a new .extension

 

[MadAboutDomains]

First off my friend Mad, I’m halfway finished with the bottle so I’ll lay it on you,

I was responding to someone else, not you, but again I love how you twisted my words to fit once again your narrative.

If a name is bad, c’est la vie ! wines.xyz is not a bad name, mortgage.loans is not a bad hame ^ look who owns mortgage.com and mortgage.biz *

You made it personal so why not, still haven’t seen your portfolio of good names, please allow me to be the judge since I represented names like 77.com, SW.com, AI.com, Cats.com, VR.com etc

By the way I obtained a $3,000,000 cash offer from HTC to buy VR.com - the owners anything.com failed to execute, the name is still for sale.

And you’re absolutely right, what was I thinking, $130,000 is obviously great gross numbers for the legendary SEDO great domain auction

First off my friend Mad, I’m halfway finished with the bottle so I’ll lay it on you,

That explains a lot.

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

That explains a lot.

Keep arguing till the sun comes up my friend, he’ll I’ll pop open a bottle of Salon 1997, not that you know what that is

 

[bmugford]

12 sales ! Wow Brad, I’m so impressed ! Meanwhile BAYC is laughing in our face with a $5,000,000,000 market valuation because you and me don’t seem to get a long when it is clearly obvious that which we are arguing is a more valuable tool in terms of business growth and value, wether it is .com or a new .extension

Yeah, I am sure the people who paid $450K for an asset worth under $100K are laughing.

Crypto and NFT are a different thing as there are all kinds of scams, rug pulls, wash trading, etc.

It is simple to log a sale on the blockchain for virtually nothing to show false demand and inflate a bubble.
You have to take sales with a grain of salt. Lots of assets move from the left pocket into the right pocket.

Regardless this thread is about domains, so that is kind of irrelevant. If you are not impressed by .COM sales, you would be far less impressed with new gTLD sales. That is for sure.

Brad

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

Yeah, I am sure the people who paid $450K for an asset worth under $100K are laughing.

Crypto and NFT are a different thing as there are all kinds of scams, rug pulls, wash trading, etc.

It is simple to log a sale on the blockchain for virtually nothing to show false demand and inflate a bubble.
You have to take sales with a grain of salt. Lots of assets move from the left pocket into the right pocket.

Regardless this thread is about domains, so that is kind of irrelevant. If you are not impressed by .COM sales, you would be far less impressed with new gTLD sales. That is for sure.

Brad

The consensus is the failure of us to come together and make greater value of our assets, you spat on that subject the moment you laid your fingers to the keyboard ^

 

[bmugford]

The consensus is the failure of us to come together and make greater value of our assets, you spat on that subject the moment you laid your fingers to the keyboard ^

What is there to come together over? If you want to deal in new extensions, cool. No one is stopping you.

@DNGear found her niche. There is no reason others can't if the money is there.

People don't have a hive mind. They like different things.
Not every person likes the same food, art, domains, etc.

I am not sure what you are expecting other people to "come together" over.

I don't like new extensions largely because the people I deal with (end users) don't like new extensions.
I go where the money is. If I saw money and a business model with new extensions I would go there.

I buy and sell .US domains, which is a relatively unpopular extension (at least compared to .COM). I don't care if anyone talks trash about the extension. I don't expect people to come together over the future of .US.

I found a model that works for me. I don't understand what coming together actually means.

Brad

 

[MadAboutDomains]

Keep arguing till the sun comes up my friend, he’ll I’ll pop open a bottle of Salon 1997, not that you know what that is

No, we're just not cultured or refined enough. Sounds like a bottle of cheap shampoo.

Wines.xyz isn't that good of a name by the way... as an investment. Obscure extension, nothing to do with the niches that we associate .xyz with. Is there a wines nft or decentralised project called wines? If not it's just one of many new gtld names with the keyword "wines" that can be registered right now for not too much like wines.link, wines.investment, wines.news, wines.academy, wines.lol. Therein lies the lesson.