question XYZ sales, really???

[betthelot]

Am I the only one that feels the numbers and values are looking suspicious. Given xyz history with using smokes and mirrors to market the name space I am a bit sceptical but can be convinced otherwise.
What is your gut feel? Last 2 weeks sales from same person Swetha DNGear
beacon.xyz $24,888
Genisis.xyz $21,399
Patron.xyz $9,888
Protocol.xyz $8,000
Split.xyz $7,888

 

[Future Sensors]

What is penny promo?

https://www.namepros.com/threads/xy...ows-quick-and-bulk-registrar-of-promo.950005/

 

[oldtimer]

oldtimer....some people consider "ingenuity" to be wrong and in some cases fraudulent especially if it has a negative impact on their wallet

That is why whether in the domain Industry or the business world at large people in the establishment always want to control the direction that the Industry takes to benefit their interests and agendas and anyone who comes up with a new idea that might take some market share away from them automatically becomes the subject of all kinds of criticism, scrutiny, and even attacks while all the other issues and problems that exist in the Industry are conveniently ignored.

IMO

 

[1Darko]

I did not vote in the poll because I think the initial post should be deleted. It is not only unfair to a NamePros member, but it is harmful to our community and domain investors in general.

By saying "it looks suspicious" the original post went well beyond reasonable informed comment. By including her username and name in thread title makes it even worse. These sales are well authenticated - took place at major marketplaces (Afternic, DAN, SquadHelp, perhaps Sedo too). They were authenticated by NameBio. She even shared screenshots on social media.

We should be celebrating @DNGear for having a long term plan, daring to be innovative and define her own path, sticking with the plan when many would have given up, having the insight to see what sort of names have value, and the confidence to ask, and get, good prices. She is the sort of person who is propelling domain investing forward. That she also interacts with NamePros is to the benefit of us all.

Congratulations on your sales @DNGear and best wishes for many more

Bob

Bob, I absolutely agree with you. The strenght of Swetha @DNGear we can see in her calm responce to this thread. I like her attitude very much. She has no obligation to show any proof to namepros members but I asume she's probably doing it because of her gratitude to the community. I for myself have made the same commitment to the namepros community to give something back if I can. And this is the most we all can do for this forum.
Thank you Swetha for sharing your sales - you will have positive powerful karma for sure!

 

[Savopolis]

Its varified on NameBio!
Take a look...for Beacon.xyz for example..

 

[3sixty]

It is genius. They have cornered (hoarded?) the xyz market and dictated (inflated?) the price on the one-word domains there. I am 100% sure the sales are legit.

In the end of the day, the buyer has the choice of a million other extensions to choose from and a billions over names. So power to DNGear for seeing an opportunity in the market, that most wouldn't go for because it is against conventional wisdom.

I wonder if .xyz give a favourable renewal rate too.

 

[elevator]

I see @DNGear sales as genuine and legit sales, due to the volume and quality of the domains in her portfoilio. All of those domains are high profile names and she has almost monopolized the extension with that number of domains in her portfoilio and you know domaining count on volume and quality of portfoilio.

Having 60,000 highly profile domains and she has just sold not more than 20 in numbers; it meant she has very more domains sales to come.

Another thing is that she has acquired those domains since about five to six years before the sales starts coming now.

I doved my cap for her, she is a great domainer to reckon with in domaining business.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

I see @DNGear sales as genuine and legit sales, due to the volume and quality of the domains in her portfoilio. All of those domains are high profile names and she has almost monopolized the extension with that number of domains in her portfoilio and you know domaining count on volume and quality of portfoilio.

Having 60,000 highly profile domains and she has just sold not more than 20 in numbers; it meant she has very more domains sales to come.

Another thing is that she has acquired those domains since about five to six years before the sales starts coming now.

I doved my cap for her, she is a great domainer to reckon with in domaining business.

I wonder if all this bodes well for other new gTLD's like .online? While I don't own 60,000 .online domains (just 3,500), it makes me wonder if the registry XYZ.com isn't behind all this?

btw, i don't believe there's anything wrong, illegal or unethical if XYZ.com is behind this, I'm just saying

 

[betthelot]

I want to believe theses sales as it’s a fantastic illustration of success by thinking the opposite to common opinion and taking risks. The risk reward ratio 5 years ago looked so reckless, I still find it difficult to believe these end user sales. Perhaps it’s me, in the same way I find cryptos a bag of worthless digits. Just I have seen so much hype and over inflated commentary in the last 20 years I’ve became a sceptic. If it is valid I also doff my hat and bow, a better domainer than me.

 

[4better]

"XYZ sales, really????"

Yes, and the way I see it, they're indeed making good, remarkable sales.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

I want to believe theses sales as it’s a fantastic illustration of success by thinking the opposite to common opinion and taking risks. The risk reward ratio 5 years ago looked so reckless, I still find it difficult to believe these end user sales. Perhaps it’s me, in the same way I find cryptos a bag of worthless digits. Just I have seen so much hype and over inflated commentary in the last 20 years I’ve became a sceptic. If it is valid I also doff my hat and bow, a better domainer than me.

We really don't know the risk reward for her domains until we know how much she paid for them and more detail like her true identity for example. I thought I saw somewhere she owned 60,000 domains, but now I understand it's more like 18,000? Frankly I find the entire domain industry to be very suspect from top to bottom.

The xyz registry recently bought DominionDomains.com (a domain that I gave to them) that owned the extensions .homes, .autos, .boats, .yachts and .motorcycle, and I know first hand the whole story behind Dominion because they're in my home town where I'm pretty well connected. I can't go into detail, but I wouldn't trust them with a damn thing

 

[elevator]

I wonder if all this bodes well for other new gTLD's like .online? While I don't own 60,000 .online domains (just 3,500), it makes me wonder if the registry XYZ.com isn't behind all this?

btw, i don't believe there's anything wrong, illegal or unethical if XYZ.com is behind this, I'm just saying

Well! What I know is that those domains belongs to @DNGear before sales. Major issue is that those domains are highly profiles, any highly profiled names will sell, especially, they were registered for 5 -6 years and the volume of the portfolio is huge and sold very few domains; meaning she still have much more domains to sell.

Your portfoilio might big as you said but what matter is having high profiled domains, and .online can aswell reasonate with the keywords you are having with the .online, but however, .online is not comparable to .xyz, you know xyz means alot aswell. xyz means everything about the keyword.and very short and easy to remember.

.xyz has a lot to rival with .com in as time goes on in the domains' world.

As you said that could .xyz registry be behind the sales. Yes ! I believed they are ! In terms of marketing of the extension, their marketing strategies made the extension popular and attractive.

Cheers and good luck

 

[skshogun]

We really don't know the risk reward for her domains until we know how much she paid for them and more detail like her true identity for example. I thought I saw somewhere she owned 60,000 domains, but now I understand it's more like 18,000? Frankly I find the entire domain industry to be very suspect from top to bottom.

The xyz registry recently bought DominionDomains.com (a domain that I gave to them) that owned the extensions .homes, .autos, .boats, .yachts and .motorcycle, and I know first hand the whole story behind Dominion because they're in my home town where I'm pretty well connected. I can't go into detail, but I wouldn't trust them with a damn thing

Just to clarify the 18,000 vs 60,000. I think this has been explained by the seller and the difference is because they don't renew all names. Which I think makes sense and adds to the credibility (and I believe the seller, I've seen developed xyz sites that they sold).

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Well! What I know is that those domains belongs to @DNGear before sales. Major issue is that those domains are highly profiles, any highly profiled names will sell, especially, they were registered for 5 -6 years and the volume of the portfolio is huge and sold very few domains; meaning she still have much more domains to sell.

Your portfoilio might big as you said but what matter is having high profiled domains, and .online can aswell reasonate with the keywords you are having with the .online, but however, .online is not comparable to .xyz, you know xyz means alot aswell. xyz means everything about the keyword.and very short and easy to remember.

.xyz has a lot to rival with .com in as time goes on in the domains' world.

As you said that could .xyz registry be behind the sales. Yes ! I believed they are ! In terms of marketing of the extension, their marketing strategies made the extension popular and attractive.

Cheers and good luck

elevator....as a "Designer" you seem to be pretty close to the situation with Shoeba and xyz.com. With the five sales listed by betthelot none of them have been developed yet, but one would think they would link to a page that would say "Coming Soon".

The one thing I know about .xyz and about .online is very few sell themselves. Few if any "end users" even know they exist. They need real exposure similar to the way anything else in this world is sold.

elevator....i know a lot of business people both young and old, and I've yet to talk to one that knows about the the new gTLD's, and that includes the two most popular .xyz and .online.

I'm just saying.....but thanks for your comments.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Just to clarify the 18,000 vs 60,000. I think this has been explained by the seller and the difference is because they don't renew all names. Which I think makes sense and adds to the credibility (and I believe the seller, I've seen developed xyz sites that they sold).

Thanks for the clarification....to the extent Shoeba/.xyz actually develop some of the sites they sell, that's a pretty big deal. You may have heard me say that most domains I buy/own have a business plan/model behind them, and that's every bit as important as being able to develop them.

Success in this industry is more about exposure.online than it is about development.xyz

 

[scithe]

I kind of feel like we're all in a big pyramid scheme and eventually it will crumble.

Why would anyone pay millions of dollars for a .com when there's hundreds of extensions to register in? You could use that money to advertise and a variety of other things.

You really just need to show up in the top spot in a Google search. If you're an ecommerce business, your Facebook ads can take buyers to any extension. Capture return customers with e-mails that link to your .whatever website. If you've got an app, you just need to be in the Google Play store and Apple store and your app can link to your .whatever website too.

That said, I'm still here helping with the pyramid and hoping to profit some before it all crashes down.

 

[bmugford]

I kind of feel like we're all in a big pyramid scheme and eventually it will crumble.

Why would anyone pay millions of dollars for a .com when there's hundreds of extensions to register in? You could use that money to advertise and a variety of other things.

You really just need to show up in the top spot in a Google search. If you're an ecommerce business, your Facebook ads can take buyers to any extension. Capture return customers with e-mails that link to your .whatever website. If you've got an app, you just need to be in the Google Play store and Apple store and your app can link to your .whatever website too.

That said, I'm still here helping with the pyramid and hoping to profit some before it all crashes down.

.COM has been around for 35 years, is used by almost every major company, and trillions are spent marketing companies that use .COM.

It is far and away the most used and credible extension. It is not a pyramid scheme. LOL.

Brad

 

[scithe]

I definitely don't want to be lumped in with the crazy guys that are always claiming .com is dead. My portfolio is still primarily .com names.

I get that .coms are the most widely used and that's the only reason that more money is spent advertising those domains over any other.

Also, didn't say that .coms were a pyramid scheme. I feel like domaining in general is similar to one. Or perhaps you remember the old dollar scam, where you used to mail 5 people a dollar and then add your name to the list, then people would send you dollars. It could never work because eventually you run out of people. Pre-Internet, you were offered lists of names/addresses to buy so that you could reach out to those people with hopes of getting dollars in the mail. The people selling those lists were the ones making the money.

When I see names being swapped around here and on other auction sites, I feel like we're all similar to those guys hoping to get dollars. And the registrars are like the people selling those lists.

 

[Robin A.]

It's credible. People want dot coms for their business. But who can afford 1 word dot coms IF they are available? That's why prices went up for .co, .io etc. domains.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

I definitely don't want to be lumped in with the crazy guys that are always claiming .com is dead. My portfolio is still primarily .com names.

I get that .coms are the most widely used and that's the only reason that more money is spent advertising those domains over any other.

Also, didn't say that .coms were a pyramid scheme. I feel like domaining in general is similar to one. Or perhaps you remember the old dollar scam, where you used to mail 5 people a dollar and then add your name to the list, then people would send you dollars. It could never work because eventually you run out of people. Pre-Internet, you were offered lists of names/addresses to buy so that you could reach out to those people with hopes of getting dollars in the mail. The people selling those lists were the ones making the money.

When I see names being swapped around here and on other auction sites, I feel like we're all similar to those guys hoping to get dollars. And the registrars are like the people selling those lists.

scithe aka Nicholas, generally before I respond to anyone here on NP i check out their "information" link to see if they're willing to share anything about themselves instead of being anonymous

I get your analogy comparing domaining to a "pyramid scheme" and appreciate your clarification. I think of it more as a JOKE that creates opportunities for some of us. It wasn't too long ago that Verisign (the .com monopoly) inadvertently told domainers just how big a joke this industry really is.

I see too from your info page that you're into coins While Coins.com, Coins.xyz and Coins.online are all taken, Nameworth values Coins.com at 6 Million dollars and they don't even appraise/value the .xyz or .online when in affect they're technically the exact same thing....do you see the JOKE?

Finally, realizing the opportunity the big joke provides, i just purchased a few "coin" related domains like CoinConference.oxxxxx, CoinCon.oxxxxx, and CoinAppraisal.oxxxxx to give/gift to you if you were to develop them. They cost me just .99 cents a piece, and that should make anyone reading this wonder about the potential risk vs. reward when investing in domains

Thanks Nicholas....nice meeting you and enjoy your life in sunny Florida!

 

[scithe]

Thanks for the support. I was about to say maybe equating what we're all doing to a pyramid scheme was unfair and perhaps "house of cards" would be better. Just out of curiosity I peruse the wikipedia page for house of cards and I get... "A house of cards (also known as a card tower or a card castle) is a structure created by stacking playing cards on top of each other, often in the shape of a pyramid." Hah!

I do believe that for those of us that are at all tech savvy, having a .com is a big deal. I'm planning to go to Savannah, Georgia soon and my wife and I are planning to take a ghost tour with some friends. I joked because the company uses an AOL e-mail address.

I've seen small businesses and self-employed people using subdomains on Wix websites and that seems unprofessional to me.

I've never really heard my less savvy friends complain about things like that though.

The other day I was driving through St. Petersburg, FL and I saw a sign outside of a landscaping business with the address Allseasons.Name and I thought, "there's gotta be a better TLD for them than that (Allseasons is taken in 93 extensions) but I think if the average person can figure out how to type in .com or .net, they can manage .name.

 

[wakguano]

People dont type facebook.com, they search for it and click. Typing facebook.com directly takes too long

 

[scithe]

I agree. So NextBigThing could totally be in .monster or some other random extension.

 

[NftDom]

I agree. So NextBigThing could totally be in .monster or some other random extension.

Absolutely!

 

[MapleDots]

I was following this topic for a while and noticed the Domain King owned DomainKing.xyz so even he deemed it important enough to protect his brand in .xyz

I also notice he does not own DomainKing.online so that tells you right away how he feels about the two extensions.

I know he runs a few .tv sites but the fact that he owns some .xyz does give some credence to the extension.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

I was following this topic for a while and noticed the Domain King owned DomainKing.xyz so even he deemed it important enough to protect his brand in .xyz

I also notice he does not own DomainKing.online so that tells you right away how he feels about the two extensions.

I know he runs a few .tv sites but the fact that he owns some .xyz does give some credence to the extension.

lol,,,who cares what the Domain King does? MapleDots.online has 10x the cred that MapleDots.xyz has.
Check the stats at ntldstats.com where you'll find that .online is on fire