showcase Showcase -Debate - Discuss .online vs. .com

[ThatNameGuy]

Anyone reading this attend NamesCon.online? First let me say I just love the domain industry that I knew absolutely nothing about until about three years ago. Prior to 2017 all I knew about were the very traditional .com, .net, .org, ,gov and .edu extensions (the letters just right of the .Dot). While it's pretty obvious that names like .edu (education), .net (internet), .org (organization), .gov (government) how many consumers or businesses actually know what .com (???) stands for or means?

To draw a comparison (very important), i was the guest speaker at my zoom "K" (Kiwanis) meeting yesterday, and even though we were discussing two very sensitive topics, "suicide and racism" I directed us to, "how many people know what the bold "K" we proudly where on our hats, polo shirts and tee shirts stands for? Ironically, and much to the dismay of my Kiwanis brothers and sisters, very few people in the world have ever heard of Kiwanis despite having over 600,000 members in 80 different countries worldwide. As an aside, but just as important our motto is, "Serving the Children of the World"

Again this was meant to draw a comparison to how little the rest of the world (outside the domain industry) knows or even cares what's right of the .dot

I know it's incensed many of the members here, but this is a subject that should and needs to be discussed. Why? Because we're literally running out of .com's, and those that are still available are so "overpriced" very few consumers or businesses can afford them. Why is that? It basically involves the old economic theory of "Supply and Demand". However, unlike typical "supply and demand" theory, there are many alternatives to .com, one of them being .online like you saw NamesCon.online using to promote their annual convention which is virtual aka online

Despite being actively involved in the domain industry for the last three years, I never realized until recently that anything to the .right of the dot is moot. While I own over 900 .online domains that I've accumulated in the last 30 days, many of my .online domains make more sense than their "exact match" .left of the .dot. Here are a few of mine.....LetsDiscuss.online;

Whistleblower.online
QualityDomains.online
Reservations.online (serious dispute with Go Daddy and Radix over this one)
GunSafety.online
CaliforniaHomes.online

btw, you can "Discover" anything .online from Africa to Space. Anyone know where Com is

 

[ThatNameGuy]

@ThatNameGuy and @Bob Hawkes

Rich and Bob, just a quick question in case you know (sorry I have not read the whole thread, maybe someone already mentioned it) - what is the most favourable registrar atm to renew .online? PM me pls if you do not want to do public promotion. I have few .online domain names, and will transfer in case the renewal fee is favourable.

Thank you so much

Marek....do you think of yourself as an "Opportunist" ? To a certain extent I see most domainers as opportunists , or they probably wouldn't be here. I just registered the domain Opportunist.Online after hearing that the most popular (by far) radio talk show host in the world died, Rush Limbaugh died today at age 70 of lung cancer. He had a daily audience of over 20M people who would be entertained by him, and he was quite the showman. Like I've said here many times, I'm neither a Republican or a Democrat and I'm neither a Liberal or a Conservative. I really can't hate anyone. In his memory I also just registered the Domain, DittoHead.Online that may turn out to have some sentimental value for any of his millions of followers. I wonder, does that make me an Opportunist Online? God Bless you Rush

 

[Brands.International]

Marek....do you think of yourself as an "Opportunist" ? To a certain extent I see most domainers as opportunists , or they probably wouldn't be here. I just registered the domain Opportunist.Online after hearing that the most popular (by far) radio talk show host in the world died, Rush Limbaugh died today at age 70 of lung cancer. He had a daily audience of over 20M people who would be entertained by him, and he was quite the showman. Like I've said here many times, I'm neither a Republican or a Democrat and I'm neither a Liberal or a Conservative. I really can't hate anyone. In his memory I also just registered the Domain, DittoHead.Online that may turn out to have some sentimental value for any of his millions of followers. I wonder, does that make me an Opportunist Online? God Bless you Rush

Hi Rich, nice to see you pretty well and active here .online Been away for a while, as I have many other things to do, but I like to peek here once in a while to see what is new in the domaining world!

I am definitely Opportunist Rich, I do confirm that - all investors who do not want to die poor should be!!

 

[Brands.International]

Marek...how the heck are ya? I haven't seen you around for a while....before I ramble OT, between my response to Bob a few minutes ago I registered another two .online domains;

MakingUp.online
and
BreakingUp.online

What do you think....be honest

As for the best place to rereg .online's I really don't know. However, with as many .online names that I own, if I'm successful, registrars will be clambering for my business.....i wish. Right now I'm budgeting for about a $15 to $20 renewal maybe for 50% of my domains. That would be around $10,000, but if I'm selling .Online domains and yes .Realty domains like I plan, it won't be a problem. Maybe my friends with .online domains could piggy back with me. Good Luck Marek.

Rich, it would be a really good idea IMO to check these renewals, try to find the lowest ones somewhere.

Regarding names like BreakingUp.online, you already know what I think of world1word2 form of new gTLDs - there are usually a lot of available alternatives in other new gTLD extensions.

For example, BreakingUp.live or BreakingUp.today are available at the moment of writing - people are TRICKY, they do not want to buy from domain investors if they can avoid it, so they will always try to find reg fee alternatives. And when they have semantically similar alternatives available for reg fee, we as investors will logically have no leverage. So - I prefer to invest in the word1 form of new gTLDs. In .online, I do not have much there, only 2 bit stronger things - repay.online and hypo.online (which means mortgage in the German language).

Saying that there are always exceptions, and I keep my FINGERS CROSSED for some nice sales!

 

[Brands.International]

I sent a private message with details at a few registrars, but none of the renewals that great (looks like most about $25 with 1 at about $20). If anyone is hand registering, be sure to check if your registrar has a deal on 2 yr, as that is often much cheaper than discounted first year + 1 renewal.
Bob

Thank you so much Bob.

 

[branding]

very few "end users" have a clue what the "com" in .com stands for

Hi rich does it really matter? .com = the web as we know it. Any other TLD (not taking into account ccTLDs) is inferior to that.

Also, the vast majority of endusers my age definitely do get what .com stands for. That's why we all ended up with over 20 year old domains in .org and .net leaving the .com available.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Hi rich does it really matter? .com = the web as we know it. Any other TLD (not taking into account ccTLDs) is inferior to that.

Also, the vast majority of endusers my age definitely do get what .com stands for. That's why we all ended up with over 20 year old domains in .org and .net leaving the .com available.

Dirk....i've come up with a new name for the hoarding of mostly .com domains. It's "Systemic Greed" When Dominion.Domains aka DominionDomains.com knows I liked and could have bought HomeSweet.homes for $85 one day, and not to long after when I asked Jim Schrand, President if the domain was available for me to buy, he proceeded to price it in an email for $64,000. Then when I met him for coffee at a local Starbuchs and told him that was the most unethical thing I'd seen anyone do in business in my life he acted surprised He knew I have connections with the local media in my town, so when he realized just how pissed off I was, he offered to give me the domain. Dirk, you don't know me, but many people were surprised to learn that I didn't accept it. Then I'll move on to the unbelievable situation I'm involved with Go Daddy Radix, the registry out of Dubai that owns the extension .online. I can't go into details here, but it involves the domain Reservations.online that they first sold to me for $1, then took it back and sent me an email saying it's now 500K. I then raised so much hell, my personal rep at GD who happens to be a pretty good guy worked with me to get it back into my account, and three days later it was removed from my account a second time.

Dirk I'm not afraid to name names when I'm telling the honest truth. I'm writing a pretty scathing article titled: "Domains -Systemic Greed" that I hope to have published in in every major business journal in the world as well as other media.

Finally, while accumulating 1,200 .online domains over the last 60 days I can tell you there's a HUGE disparity between .com pricing and .online pricing. I have stories that will absolutely blow your mind, and consumers and businesses need to know about it. Just recently I learned I also have support for my project. Who knows Dirk, maybe someone is setting me up, but I don't think so. All the more reason for Whistleblower.Online.

 

[SuperDudePro]

It's like a huge highway pileup and I just can't stop watching. Every long-term/time message board, regardless of the topic, has one or more of these characters at any given time. I always wonder if the character knows that they are the character or not. It just seems like a hard way to go, being the antagonist of your own show.

 

[branding]

I'm involved with Go Daddy Radix, the registry out of Dubai that owns the extension .online. I can't go into details here, but it involves the domain Reservations.online that they first sold to me for $1, then took it back and sent me an email saying it's now 500K. I then raised so much hell, my personal rep at GD who happens to be a pretty good guy worked with me to get it back into my account, and three days later it was removed from my account a second time.

Sounds like an interesting story but probably just a premium pricing mistake at GoDaddy. Happens all the time.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

It's like a huge highway pileup and I just can't stop watching. Every long-term/time message board, regardless of the topic, has one or more of these characters at any given time. I always wonder if the character knows that they are the character or not. It just seems like a hard way to go, being the antagonist of your own show.

LMAO Dude.....i just went to buy Antagonist.online, but damn is it wasn't taken. I guess whistleblower.online, troublemaker.online and disrupter.online will have to do.

I also bought specificity.online this am, and 2 two word domains. AffordableDomains.online and RaceRhetoric.online. There are some things you just can't say with one word no matter how hard your try.

I also did a little experiment with AffordableDomains.Online vs.AffordableDomains.com. Of course I'm partial, but I'm not greedy. Go Daddy values AffordableDomains.online a less than < $100. However, if you go to AffordableDomains.com, you'll find that GD has it listed for sale, and they give you a number to call; 1 855-646-1390. So I called it and spoke with someone with a foreign accent to me anyway. I identified myself and asked how much they were asking for the domain.....answer $4,378. Actually that was pretty low considering I have gotten quotes in similar situations of over $100,000

Regardless, GD is charging 43 times more for the .com version of the name "Affordable Domains" than what they value the .online version for. And of course there's 43x more profit in selling the consumer the .com vs. the online. Ironically the "average" consumer has been brainwashed to believe the .com is the way to go, and they're never told of the alternative AffordableDomains.Online. Do I smell a HUGE class action law suit coming on. I rest mycase.online

Thanks again Dude

 

[branding]

AffordableDomains in online is worth nada. Maybe regfee to an end user and that's a long shot. I wouldn't even waste $1 on it. Not sure what you're paying but if this example is representative for what you're regging it's a waste of money.

There's not one single argument to put forward that would even remotely support it has a chance of selling.

 

[Future Sensors]

Interesting thought, that postings on this forum are opinions. Thanks for the inspiration.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Interesting thought, that postings on this forum are opinions. Thanks for the inspiration.

Actually I'm convinced there's very little difference between AffordableDomains.Online and AffordableDomains.com just like there's very little difference between a Pinto and a Ferrari when it comes to transportation. Regardless, a Pinto and a Ferrari will get you where you want to go as does .online and .com.

And on that note I just registered the one word domain Persuasive.Online

 

[branding]

Thanks Dirk....and that's your OPINION, worth as much as the trash i throw out every day.

Lol, I'm always open to listen to other people's opinions, can easily be convinced if there's supporting data to back it up.

This isn't just an opinion. It has nothing to with liking or not liking a domain. It's objectively a crap domain. Too many alternatives available, weakish brand. why would someone buy your online if the .co is sitting there for just $2 at reg fee?

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Lol, I'm always open to listen to other people's opinions, can easily be convinced if there's supporting data to back it up.

This isn't just an opinion. It has nothing to with liking or not liking a domain. It's objectively a crap domain. Too many alternatives available, weakish brand. why would someone buy your online if the .co is sitting there for just $2 at reg fee?

Because I'm Persuasive.Online In case you hadn't noticed, the .online extension is the hottest thing in domaining.....everybody's talking about offline

 

[branding]

Because I'm Persuasive.Online In case you hadn't noticed, the .online extension is the hottest thing in domaining.....everybody's talking about offline

Lol, yeah I can agree on you being a persuasive guy. Back to facts though as we wouldn't want this to become a disillusion.online for people buying into daydreams.

I'm not anti .online. It's a somewhat ok extension. But hardly (if any at all) any investment grade left and definitely not the hottest thing in domaining. Thats just a fact. There can always be outliers but those happen in any extension.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Lol, yeah I can agree on you being a persuasive guy. Back to facts though as we wouldn't want this to become a disillusion.online for people buying into daydreams.

I'm not anti .online. It's a somewhat ok extension. But hardly (if any at all) any investment grade left and definitely not the hottest thing in domaining. Thats just a fact. There can always be outliers but those happen in any extension.

So what is the hottest nTLD going? Inquiring minds would like to know.

 

[branding]

So what is the hottest nTLD going? Inquiring minds would like to know.

Well, you mentioned 'the hottest thing in domaining', not limited to nTLDs. Online definitely isn't hot.

I simply responded as I fear people taking this for true. Not everybody has thousands to burn, especially during these stressful times. They're better off following the advice of people who have a solid track record. You really should consider the danger you may be putting people in by opening these threads.

Now especially. Lots of newcomers, uneducated. Then they see this guy with thousands of domains claiming he's got it all figured out... It's a dangerous game. Not for you, but for them. Not everybody is privileged. For you it's a game, for others it's a last resort.

As for what's hot, I'm not the one to ask. I probably own just a hundred or so gambling on an outlier. You better ask Marek.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Well, you mentioned 'the hottest thing in domaining', not limited to nTLDs. Online definitely isn't hot.

I simply responded as I fear people taking this for true. Not everybody has thousands to burn, especially during these stressful times. They're better off following the advice of people who have a solid track record. You really should consider the danger you may be putting people in by opening these threads.

Now especially. Lots of newcomers, uneducated. Then they see this guy with thousands of domains claiming he's got it all figured out... It's a dangerous game. Not for you, but for them. Not everybody is privileged. For you it's a game, for others it's a last resort.

As for what's hot, I'm not the one to ask. I probably own just a hundred or so gambling on an outlier. You better ask Marek.

What in the world are you talking about Derick? Did it go over your head that I'm buying .online domains for $1 each? Hell, many people on welfare buy more lottery tickets for $1 than I spend on .online domains, and that's not to be critical of people on welfare who can't afford to put food on their table?

The next I hear from investors like you....the cost re-registering these domain will kill you, when in fact you don't need to spend a cent registering any domain. I don't know what sort of game you're playing, but it's disingenuous. Here is what I'll give you Dirk....you said, "I can agree on you being a persuasive guy." btw, did it also go over your head that I did buy and own the domain Persuasive.Online. I would suggest that you take just a second and and go to Persuasive.com and see where It leads. Then check to see GD's valuation....i'll save you the time, it's $16,169. Are you paying attention? I'm sharing with you real numbers and the real world, not something hypothetical.

Here's what I'll say to anyone reading this, if you don't have two nickles to rub together, concentrate on feeding yourself and your family. That should be the highest priority in your life, not investing in domains.

Finally, I have actual plans for how and to who I want to sell my domains. I have about 20 .online domains that are an exact match for operating banks in the US. For example I own DiscoverBank.Online and the largest bank in my area TowneBank.online. Dirk, I'm sure you're aware that most people bank "online" today....i bet you do. I paid $1 for each of these domains Dirk, and each of them could be the backbone for many millions of transaction dollars monthly.

I'll also share this, another member here has reached out to me with about a dozen really good .online domains and has offered to sell them pretty darn cheap. I told him I would buy them from him, but I'd prefer we partner in some capacity, and when they sell we'd split the profits. I don't know the guy, but I trust him enough to give him half of what he wants for his domains and we can work together on the same basis in the future. I see it as being a win/win relationship. I don't know if this makes sense to you, but that's the way I like to do business. That's all I got Dirk...all the best

 

[branding]

What in the world are you talking about Derick? Did it go over your head that I'm buying .online domains for $1 each?

No it didn't. But you bought over 1K of them. Which is a lot of money that could've been spent on something that's liquid. Sure profit, break even, not a moonshot.

did it also go over your head that I did buy and own the domain Persuasive.Online. I would suggest that you take just a second and and go to Persuasive.com and see where It leads. Then check to see GD's valuation....i'll save you the time, it's $16,169. Are you paying attention? I'm sharing with you real numbers and the real world, not something hypothetical.

Dead since forever. Could be a great brand though. The . online? Reg fee. GD valuations aren't real numbers. The keyword has zero recorded sales. Go figure.

I'll also share this, another member here has reached out to me with about a dozen really good .online domains and has offered to sell them pretty darn cheap. I told him I would buy them from him, but I'd prefer we partner in some capacity, and when they sell we'd split the profits. I don't

So did you buy the names?

 

[ThatNameGuy]

No it didn't. But you bought over 1K of them. Which is a lot of money that could've been spent on something that's liquid. Sure profit, break even, not a moonshot.



Dead since forever. Could be a great brand though. The . online? Reg fee. GD valuations aren't real numbers. The keyword has zero recorded sales. Go figure.



So did you buy the names?

Not yet Dirk, but I just offered to send him 50% of what he asked originally for his domains, and I think we have a deal. Each of his domains are in the financial field and they involve finance, loans, mortgages, stocks etc. That's right up my alley, and maybe so you can get a better feel for this I'll ask him if I can share a few things about our deal, and how we plan to profit.

I'm curious Dirk....where in this business is a thousand dollar investment truly "liquid", "profitable". Inquiring minds would luv to know? Thanks

 

[branding]

I'm curious Dirk....where in this business is a thousand dollar investment truly "liquid", "profitable". Inquiring minds would luv to know? Thanks

When you educate yourself, LLLL.com, LLL.net, CCC.com. LLL.org. with a thousand $ you should be able to buy a bunch of profitable @ <$100 LLLL .coms. even when liquidating, that's a low risk.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

When you educate yourself, LLLL.com, LLL.net, CCC.com. LLL.org. with a thousand $ you should be able to buy a bunch of profitable @ <$100 LLLL .coms. even when liquidating, that's a low risk.

Do you mean to say I can buy a lot of four letter .com domains for < than $100 that are liquid/profitable What have i been missing? Last I checked, few if any decent .com's are available at any price. Give me an example of "a bunch of profitable/liquid domains" you've bought recently. I find that hard to believe

 

[branding]

Lets say you've got 1K to spend. If you buy wisely, you can get 10 random LLLL.coms. that will give you a chance at upselling. Worst case you'll liquidate at let's say $80 a piece within the year. That's a $200 loss but chances are you'll fetch some more for some so at least you'll break even.

Imagine you'll invest that same money in handreg .onlines. you would need to be real lucky to break even within the year, let alone be profitable.

 

[branding]

Give me an example of "a bunch of profitable/liquid domains" you've bought recently. I find that hard to believe

Lol, private sales are the keyword. Put in the research and effort and you can buy liquid names below market value any day. Where do you think people selling their liquids are sourcing their names from?

A 1K investment isn't the worst imaginable kind of situation to be in if you're willing put in the work.

 

[branding]

Give me an example of "a bunch of profitable/liquid domains" you've bought recently.

Not gonna share what I have in liquids as they're not for sale as long as the market is down (imo). I've seen some go for $50-$80 recently and that's just from observing NP.