Epik and Parler

[DomainBanana]

My focus in this forum is to learn and improve with domains, not to create conflict.

Based on the feedback I've received about this post, I think it's best to remove my comments from this thread and stay focused on domains.

Thanks

 

[oldtimer]

@Rob Monster ,

Keep up the good job Rob,

Put a little something on Epik's homepage that says something like:


"We Fight for Free Speech"

But

"We Also Fight Against Hateful Speech"


The kind of Speech that encourages people to cause harm to others.

Problem Solved.

As I have said before I personally like to hear what all sides have to say as long as they conduct themselves in a civilized and professional manner.

IMO

 

[lambo.com]

Perhaps 'hateful' is a synonym for 'genocidal'

 

[oldtimer]

Perhaps 'hateful' is a synonym for 'genocidal'

Hateful encompasses all,

I recently registered the domain:

HatefulSpeech.com /.org

But, I didn't want to register "Genocidal Speech"

IMO

 

[lambo.com]

Hateful encompasses all,

I recently registered the domain:

HatefulSpeech.com /.org

But, I didn't want to register "Genocidal Speech"

IMO

That doesn't mean much.

Hip hop would by most metrics be full of hate speech.

 

[Compassion]

A few minutes in the Parler CEO is interviewed.

Good info.

 

[Compassion]

That doesn't mean much.

Hip hop would by most metrics be full of hate speech.

Most yes . . .

Not underground / conscious hip hop . . .

Arguably the first famous underground hip-hop song

 

[oldtimer]

That doesn't mean much.

Hip hop would by most metrics be full of hate speech.

That has to do more with "Free Speech" where people have the right to express themselves in ways that might not necessarily fit very well into our acceptable social norms.

But it's no longer Free Speech when it crosses the lines into being the kind of Hateful Speech that encourages people to bring harm to others.

Hateful Speech has the intent to bring threatening words into reality and is different than people just singing a song.

IMO

 

[lambo.com]

That has to do more with "Free Speech" where people have the right to express themselves in ways that might not necessarily fit very well into our acceptable social norms.

But it's no longer Free Speech when it crosses the lines into being the kind of Hateful Speech that encourages people to bring harm to others.

Hateful Speech has the intent to bring threatening words into reality and is different than people just singing a song.

IMO

Yes, still as you describe, hip hop has plenty of such 'hateful speech'.

 

[oldtimer]

Yes, still as you describe, hip hop has plenty of such 'hateful speech'.

The "Intent" and the possibility of bringing those threats to reality is what the law looks at.

Disclaimer: I don't listen to much music, maybe some classical music occasionally.

IMO

 

[Compassion]

The "Intent" and the possibility of bringing those threats to reality is what the law looks at.

IMO

And those listening to hateful messages in music are programming their subconscious minds with 440hz low vibes which then subtly percolates into the rest of their lives (or not so subtly)

 

[The Grinch]

Just saw this pop up, it was a story on my homepage/start page, MSN.com:

"Robert Davis, senior vice president of Epik Inc., told The Wall Street Journal his firm warned TheDonald.Win it might be dropped within days if it fails to better cull what he said are discussions glorifying violence, propagating white supremacy and fomenting extremism.

"They need to recognize the critical role they play as an inspirational place rather than a hotbed of extremism,” Mr. Davis said. “Epik has no tolerance for anything that incites hate or violence.” If the site didn’t fix the problem speedily, he added, “they’re gone from Epik and it will be hard for them to get service anywhere.

TheDonald.Win has been identified by law enforcement and analysts as an important online staging platform for the Jan. 6 storming of the U.S. Capitol that federal prosecutors are investigating as a seditious act and President-Elect Biden characterized as domestic terrorism. Recent posts on the forum viewed by the Journal have included further calls for violence, including a threat to kill House Speaker Nancy Pelosi about which the FBI was informed, according to people familiar with the matter.............

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...aces-possible-shutdown/ar-BB1cOtaE?li=BBnb7Kz

Like I said, they all have a TOS that they enforce at times.

turns out that story was completely false.
thank god, was in the process of moving all my domains to them, until I saw the WSJ article. turns out to be just more fake news.

 

[JB Lions]

turns out that story was completely false.
thank god, was in the process of moving all my domains to them, until I saw the WSJ article. turns out to be just more fake news.

What was false? The Wall Street Journal made up an interview? Or are you talking about something else?

I searched for the word fomenting in the WSJ article, that's their words it seems, that word isn't in quotes. Other stuff is in quotes.

 

[The Grinch]

What was false? The Wall Street Journal made up an interview? Or are you talking about something else?

Apparently the entire article and story were fake, not surprising, like he says, in 2021. I'm just really relieved.
Epik's CEO replied here yesterday, and his reply was very reassuring as well.

Thanks!

 

[The Grinch]

Also I would like to say that I am (or was) an active member of Parler, I haven't see any of the threats of violence, racism, or anything that people are complaining about here, and i'm pretty sure that they didn't even visit Parler, so how would they know? Another fake news article? I've seen more threats of violence and racism on Twitter. Also hasn't it came out that the capitol thing was planned in facebook groups?

And the way some of you are ignorantly rooting for deplatforming and censoring is exactly why we need places like Parler and companies like Epik.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

Parler.com is back online with a 1 page lander. We are NOT the host and have no idea if and when their site or apps will come back online. Here is a partial summary links for those trying to keep up.

####

CNN information regarding Epik:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/tech/parler-back-online


Truth about AWS deplatforming and our work countering hate:

https://uncoverdc.com/2021/01/14/exclusive-epiks-advice-to-parler/

https://www.theepochtimes.com/parlers-website-back-online-with-a-message-from-its-ceo_3660235.html

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/parler-social-media-amazon-conservative/2021/01/14/id/1005609/

http://www.christianitydaily.com/ar...rler-finds-new-host-after-amazon-takedown.htm

https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/14/...-domain-policy-guidance-standard-free-speech/

https://www.theepochtimes.com/web-hosting-service-epik-parler-hasnt-contacted-us_3653132.html


Cooperation to reduce racism and discrimination:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...7a71ac-580a-11eb-a931-5b162d0d033d_story.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pro-tr...hutdown-over-violent-racist-posts-11610819176


Past efforts in directly combatting Racism:

www.epik.com/blog/fightinghate


Check out the five points at the bottom of this page if you want real truth:

www.epik.com/blog/mashable


Check out the truth about SPLC’s attack on us:

www.epik.com/blog/splc


Read for yourself our encouragements to PayPal to stop creating hardships for the underserved:

www.epik.com/blog/paypal


See firsthand how the media attempted to manufacture Epik as being the home of the Proud Boys:

www.epik.com/blog/fakenews

One more link Source: @Acroplex
https://domaingang.com/domain-news/parler-com-moved-to-russian-host-and-epik-dns/

Parler.com moved to Russian host and Epik DNS

Posted by DomainGang on January 17, 2021, at 6:55 pm

Parler.com is back up, riding on Epik DNS but with IPs on Russian “bulletproof” hosting.

Just days after Epik stated in an interview that there are no plans to host Parler content currently, they now provide “first response” to Parler.com via the use of ns3.epik.com and ns4.epik.com nameservers, per the domain’s WHOIS.

While the Parler.com DNS resides on US soil, its destination—the hosted content—is currently located on servers in Belize, which are controlled by a Russian web hosting company, DDoS-Guard.net.

At this point, the app and content are far from their prior active state. Using Russian hosting servers is ironic for a service that was meant to attract US nationalists, conservatives, and other self-proclaimed patriots expelled from Twitter.

Noting setting to NS3/NS4.EPIK.com is required for simple domain management tasks such as domain redirects and what not. eg. redirects and hosting are two separate things made clear in the article headline, and in the article by noting the server destination.

Parler is back online using ddos-guard. They host some of the finest:

https://krebsonsecurity.com/tag/ddos-guard/

 

[JB Lions]

Also I would like to say that I am (or was) an active member of Parler, I haven't see any of the threats of violence, racism, or anything that people are complaining about here, and i'm pretty sure that they didn't even visit Parler, so how would they know? Another fake news article? I've seen more threats of violence and racism on Twitter. Also hasn't it came out that the capitol thing was planned in facebook groups?

And the way some of you are ignorantly rooting for deplatforming and censoring is exactly why we need places like Parler and Epik.

That would be shady if true. That the author from WSJ just totally made up quotes. That seems it would be a stupid thing to do.

As far as the Parler stuff. Amazon saw it. It was just posted all over the internet. I mean, there's literally screenshots -

https://twitter.com/search?q=parler screenshots&src=typed_query

https://www.google.com/search?q=par...UFw1kKHUzSDp4Q_AUoAXoECAUQAw&biw=1536&bih=694

 

[The Grinch]

That would be shady if true. That the author from WSJ just totally made up quotes.

As far as the Parler stuff. Amazon saw it. It was just posted all over the internet. I mean, there's literally screenshots -

https://twitter.com/search?q=parler screenshots&src=typed_query

https://www.google.com/search?q=par...UFw1kKHUzSDp4Q_AUoAXoECAUQAw&biw=1536&bih=694

Perhaps Epik should make an official statement regarding the WSJ article if true or false?

That post on Parler should've been removed. As so the many on twitter calling for the death of cops and white people, which i've seen all summer with the BLM riots. You're going to have these on any platform. Parler will get better.

 

[JB Lions]

Perhaps Epik should make an official statement regarding the WSJ article if true or false?

That post on Parler should've been removed. As so the many on twitter calling for the death of cops and white people, which i've seen all summer with the BLM riots. You're going to have these on any platform. Parler will get better.

Yep, with that many people sometimes off things will get posted. Some don't have enough mods. But Amazon said this. That they were unwilling and unable to remove certain content.

 

[The Grinch]

Yep, with that many people sometimes off things will get posted. Some don't have enough mods. But Amazon said this. That they were unwilling and unable to remove certain content.

One of my major complaints about Parler was the lack of moderators. I didn't follow people who would regularly say crazy stuff, other than that Linwood nut job, who by the way did get finally censored on there, but I kept seeing tons of fake accounts claiming to be celebs and other people in the public eye, even Trump himself, and no matter how many times people complained and reported these fake accounts, they never seemed to get removed. There were even a few famous people themselves complaining about people pretending to be them, and nothing.

Parler obviously needs to hire ALOT of unbiased moderators. I'm not even sure how Parler made money, other than private investors.

They'll get there.

 

[JB Lions]

Perhaps Epik should make an official statement regarding the WSJ article if true or false?

Maybe they should. I just checked the site out in question and that WSJ story is all over the place. The response you posted was an email he sent to somebody. I'm not sure if that email was meant for anybody else or supposed to be posted publicly.

 

[kam]

And those listening to hateful messages in music are programming their subconscious minds with 440hz low vibes which then subtly percolates into the rest of their lives (or not so subtly)

We all knew that we can worship god with love.

Sometime, I think the hate is designed to worship Lucifer and many people just fall into the trap unconscious, including myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1704&v=dZAQNo9bXwI&feature=youtu.be

 

[Reallybigidea.com]

One more link Source: @Acroplex
https://domaingang.com/domain-news/parler-com-moved-to-russian-host-and-epik-dns/

Parler.com moved to Russian host

so russian hackers is the real thing?

It seems to be Parler is the most independent social network..

 

[Intelliname]

The WSJ article was poorly worded. The quotes were massively out of context. The conversation focused on the polarization techniques being employed by media outlets almost universally to split everyone impacted between two unique trains of thought. The emphasis was on the pathway to reconcile that for unity and healing. These are the hopes of nearly everyone working for major media, especially those that have fallen victim themselves to playing bad actors in the marching orders from their senior executives. You can hold whatever political opinion you choose, but the impact has been dramatic and very real. Until you have watched a major news anchor crying on set saying over and over "I don't want to do this anymore", you really cannot understand the damage a handful of people have created to preserve their wealth and status. CNN reporters don't want to be hated, anymore than Fox celebrities want to spend the rest of their lives needing executive protection services.

The points of racism and white supremacists I believe may have been added in post-interview by higher editorial positions to fit a specific narrative. There was no discussion of it, as the harshest elements of The Donald are more attributed to extreme emotional passion for country and liberty, and the frustrations that a tiny fraction may hold towards what they believe are their responsibilities in the presence of mass government failure. There are many people needing hope and optimism, as they have been targeted and subjected to intentional media bubbles that look almost purpose-built to incite anger and hatred. We must address these as a country openly and honestly, without the labels of convenience that have been strategically used simply to galvanize voting blocks. A four year election cycle has had horrific consequences on both America and the people that make up our magnificent country.

I believe the intention of Wall Street Journal, as ourselves, was for them to reinforce the importance of The Donald coordinating better moderation. It did come off very heavy handed though. They were not attacking the community, but detailing the reality of possible outcomes as major platform operators see a ton of fake content posted on their platforms. Some of this was designed to serve as a demonstration of why further liberties should be taken away from the public. It is nothing less than the transparent manufacturing of violence-inciting propaganda by third party activist groups, for the sake of being able to illustrate violence-inciting material. It should be very concerning, as is the motivations of those who have been tasked to coordinate it. Especially seeing how a positive relationship between Parler and Amazon Web Services can see near instant termination over a weekend, while AWS is announcing support of its new client Twitter almost at the exact same time.

Welcome to the world of technology, where an expanded relationship even between GoDaddy and PayPal can result in instant service termination, two weeks of libelous accusations, and a world moved one step closer to centralized power, narrative and control for a small group of people. For those who have actively criticized our transparency in the past, it will not be long before you recognize that we were trying to give you an indication of how these actions will eventually impact you, whether you want to believe it or not.

For the record, the WSJ author is largely respected by many, and if you can envision it, took a very heavy approach to ensure TheDonald could change their course before the dialogue shifted to one being initiated from a legal position. With respects to how Epik was utilized to deliver that, I have expressed my disappointment, but I am confident that truth will prevail. Sometimes these decisions are simply down to deadlines, and juggling multiple articles and responsibilities at once while the circus goes on.

As an example of how easily context can be lost:

“TheDonald absolutely has important minds and critical views reflecting the state of our country, especially in their calls in ensuring that political corruption and malfeasance is recorded and archived by people who absolutely love this nation. It is critical that their moderators step up their game, and recognize that they are in part under attack by people posting fake hate pieces. So they can remove them to avoid legal backlash by either the FBI or the DOJ that would then be out of our control. If they were forcefully made to be legally shutdown, once they are gone from Epik, it would be hard for them to get service anywhere. They are working through it day and night though, and deleting thousands of posts that are only being uploaded to make it look like the website and their community is inciting violence”.


WSJ translation:

“they’re gone from Epik and it will be hard for them to get service anywhere.”


Hardly reflective of the spirit of the conversation. Or truthfully where the heart is of their writer.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

so russian hackers is the real thing?

The DomainGang article mentioned nothing about Russian Hackers. It simply noted that the current hosted content came from servers located in Belize, and those servers were owned by a Russian web hosting company.

A subsequent google search of "Parler and Russia connection" seems to tie Russia's IRA (Internet Research Agency) with conservative social media companies Parler and Gab.

It could just be that the other social media companies have strict monitoring on this type of stuff, and those who violated this or felt unwelcomed by their peers on traditional social media, have flocked to ALT/LessMonitored social media sites, where free speech is/was not just limited to American influences/meddling. The internet also noted Parlers CEOs marriage to a Russian woman.

Then again, some people say fake news, and may have a different opinion. As this could just be a smear/slander technique to blame everything on the Russians, it'll stick, and create Sputnik sized divides; or so as some may believe. I mean, how a former secretary of state (Hilary Clinton), can (without evidence) allege a sitting US Congress woman (Tulsi Gabbard) and current member of the armed forces was a Russian Asset is beyond me. If that wasn't a smear campaign intended to influence the results on election, I'm not sure what is. Albeit, since it was said by a Clinton, it's American election meddling, so that's allowed? IDK. To me, that allegation read as, "Tulsi frequents Tucker Carlson, let's call her a Russian asset, it'll stick, so every damaging thing she says about us, we can blame it on Russian propaganda."

It seems to be Parler is the most independent social network..

If that's truly the case, it would be a shame to see an American company forced into hosting content overseas.

 

[Intelliname]

If that's truly the case, it would be a shame to see an American company forced into hosting content overseas.

It is a very real issue. Ostracization plus access to talent pools, especially related to Russian advancements in load and weight optimization for database management.

I thought the first impeachment attacks against Trump really spoke volumes to how disconnected our country can be when demonizing others. I was shocked at how some portrayed people in Russia and Ukraine specifically. There are likely millions of wonderful people here from both places, between students, exchange programs, scientists, teachers, physicists, executives, writers, artists, painters, musicians, and more. They are a rich part of our culture, and our actual ally at many key junctions in history. Attacks on them often are discrimination and racism in its own unique form, although conveniently these are given a pass when masked with concerns for security, country, and democracy when it fills a need.

I would imagine every fortune 1000 company in operation uses talent from Russia every day in some form or another, whether they want to acknowledge it or not. Coding, hosting, programming, scripts, database creation, and programs designed to manage data especially. Was funny to see the Facebook claims of the threats blog and forum operators posed to our national security, given how many US companies at the same time were actually relying on workforce from this area to manage their posts and content management for years. I can't remember the actual number Facebook was made to reveal in congress about how much was actually spent on their network to try and influence the election. Wasn't it like $35,000 or something ridiculous like that?