question How to value LLLL.com ? Help plz!

[moelaimari]

I am new to domaining industry , and wondering how to value LLLL.com
and what are good 4l.com should focus on

 

[s.g]

This thread was extremely helpful to us during our today's training session. Thank you all; especially @-AR-, @BrandPlease for his blog entry, even if it's also his sales pitch, @biggie for his poetry-like just saying, @sputnik7 for his opposing views, he still made us feel like taking a break in his sunny country, and of course @Samer for being pragmatic and straightforward and @johnn for being even more pragmatic and very mathematical; we feel like we know you all by now! Please keep these tips coming. We need them as much as your domaining energy! Thanks again!

Buy what you want

Wow, @Mytz.com, priceless!

 

[biggie]

There is alot of good 4L info in it - & it's 100% sourced here, on NP, from folks much smarter than I am!

If you want to check it out, the link is below. (it's my site)


GL,
Brian

taken from your promotional link:

A premium LLLL.com is, in other words, an LLLL.com devoid of the letters: J,K,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z. These letters are commonly referred to as non-premium letters.

i totally disagree with that bull and don't know why, you perpetrate it.

imo....

 

[BrandPlease]

@biggie - I would be happy to update, republish and help drive more recent/accurate valuation data points.

The problem is - after a solid year of researching, all published info that I could find, related closely with or exactly aligned with the info published.

If I publish, based on my opinion I can state that and offer rational behind it. The problem is I dont have the data (sales volume) to offer any support to alternative pricing, factually (or at least published by reputable sources).

Do have a source I could use to make a more accurate write up? I would be happy to put it together & think it would be incredibly helpful here in the NP community.
Thanks

 

[Samer]

@biggie - I would be happy to update, republish and help drive more recent/accurate valuation data points.

The problem is - after a solid year of researching, all published info that I could find, related closely with or exactly aligned with the info published.

If I publish, based on my opinion I can state that and offer rational behind it. The problem is I dont have the data (sales volume) to offer any support to alternative pricing, factually (or at least published by reputable sources).

Do have a source I could use to make a more accurate write up? I would be happy to put it together & think it would be incredibly helpful here in the NP community.
Thanks

any way expand beyond Escrow.com data?
https://report.lmx.com/

But i’ll give credit; think closest what looking for

 

[BrandPlease]

Thanks @Samer - Just popped on the site & dont see a way to drill into the actual names sold, just the summaries. Do you know if they offer access to the actual names sold? If so I'll grap that and start analyzing.

 

[biggie]

Hi

I would be happy to update, republish and help drive more recent/accurate valuation data points.

The problem is - after a solid year of researching, all published info that I could find

the problem is,
that you perpetuate negative "anti-premium/sub-premium" status to letters of the alphabet, with no regard to words that use those letters in every day language.

you and those who follow that opinion, seem to only see the domain as 4 separate letters, instead of seeing the whole domain, in totality.

there are hundreds of words using what you wrote, as non-premium letters, and many domains using those letters, that have sold for profitable margins.

if, you researched for a whole year.... and if that point was missed, then incomplete it was.

i think one needs to dismiss premium from mindset, when you're talking about a category that rises in value year after year.

best to be trying to get what you can and hold for the next newbie who wants one.

imo...

Do have a source I could use to make a more accurate write up?

Hi

to me
common sense dictates that,
if there are only 26 letters in the alphabet,
and if you discriminate against 1/3rd of them.....then who really looses -

the newbie, who follows such advice.

imo....

 

[Samer]

Hi


the problem is,
that you perpetuate negative "anti-premium/sub-premium" status to letters of the alphabet, with no regard to words that use those letters in every day language.

you and those who follow that opinion, seem to only see the domain as 4 separate letters, instead of seeing the whole domain, in totality.

there are hundreds of words using what you wrote, as non-premium letters, and many domains using those letters, that have sold for profitable margins.

if, you researched for a whole year.... and if that point was missed, then incomplete it was.

i think one needs to dismiss premium from mindset, when you're talking about a category that rises in value year after year.

best to be trying to get what you can and hold for the next newbie who wants one.

imo...



Hi

to me
common sense dictates that,
if there are only 26 letters in the alphabet,
and if you discriminate against 1/3rd of them.....then who really looses -

the newbie, who follows such advice.

imo....

Biggie how many words can you come “Z”
outside ? and Zzz ?
With “V” you right; “VC” “VF” “VR”
u cant justify “Z” —-

greatest exception X but only start or end imo?
i still avoid “X” but like names President “Xi”
“Xenon” “X” can mean quantity or acronym
“XR”! but “Limit” if“X” only start or end. agree?
“Z” not a part of my life biggz. Still waiting u Z’s

 

[biggie]

Biggie how many words

Hi

below are LLLL.com that have the supposed "anti-premium or sub-premium" letters.
the stats below are from Sedo:

vioz.com 16011 visitors $359.79 revenue > SOLD
wjfm.com 2808 $30.71
wejs.com 961 $5.25 > SOLD
upyo.com 1279 $4.98
gmxo.com 597 $2.01
alvn.com 1374 $50.99 > SOLD
amwb.com 1821 $17.24
amwt.com 1788 $2.79 > SOLD
ukom.com 1948 $7.9
ueuk.com 4066 $5.39 > SOLD
egwd.com 10040 $5.62
tjal.com 3952 $18.65
upyo.com 1279 $4.98
iduh.com 1091 $5.39
fqfm.com 1807 $4.95
pixm.com 3018 $12.94 > SOLD
ikow.com 2374 $17.59
irxa.com > SOLD
gvco.com 1504 $13.7 > SOLD

just so you know that everyone doesn't believe in the propaganda,
four of those names were sold to NP members!

additionally, have received offers on others, just did not accept.

imo....

 

[Samer]

Hi

below are LLLL.com that have the supposed "anti-premium or sub-premium" letters.
the stats below are from Sedo:

vioz.com 16011 visitors $359.79 revenue > SOLD
wjfm.com 2808 $30.71
wejs.com 961 $5.25 > SOLD
upyo.com 1279 $4.98
gmxo.com 597 $2.01
alvn.com 1374 $50.99 > SOLD
amwb.com 1821 $17.24
amwt.com 1788 $2.79 > SOLD
ukom.com 1948 $7.9
ueuk.com 4066 $5.39 > SOLD
egwd.com 10040 $5.62
tjal.com 3952 $18.65
upyo.com 1279 $4.98
iduh.com 1091 $5.39
fqfm.com 1807 $4.95
pixm.com 3018 $12.94 > SOLD
ikow.com 2374 $17.59
irxa.com > SOLD
gvco.com 1504 $13.7 > SOLD

just so you know that everyone doesn't believe in the propaganda,
four of those names were sold to NP members!

additionally, have received offers on others, just did not accept.

imo....

Not one of those letters has a “Z” tho

But point taken biggie. Only one Z... Only 1 Z

 

[gilescoley]

You cant just answer that question in 5 minutes. There are loads of factors that come into play...is it pronounceable, brandable? Does it have good letters, acronyms?

You need to read and learn about domain value. It can be really random, a name like mgtv.com doesnt mean much to me, but a company wanted it and paid $130K for it.

A good start is check past sales, this thread will help
https://www.namepros.com/threads/the-llll-com-sales-and-discussion-thread.358387/

 

[robinnx]

He wrote that these letters are not considered premium letters and that this is the reason, and that the letters u and v are not exactly full premium so it is ok, but if there is only one of theses in four letter dn. That's what the script says.

hi dude!
i would be very very careful from those internet gurus who claim that they can teach you anything or make you rich quick or even help you make a passive income in a short time. scams like these are extremely popular these days. I think that the script you bought already for probably a small price is just a step in his/her's sales funnel and you are being prepared to be milked to your last penny soon.

if you want to learn and make money fast then you must know that no one can sell you the magic formula for that. (if I have that magic formula in my right hand I won't even let my left hand know about it). it strongly reminds me of the Stock Market Investment Formula Scam, its another form of "get rich quick" scheme

i would suggest that you finish everything written here "https://domaingraduate.com/" and ask a lot of questions this forum NP and lastly, you need to discipline yourself and have a lot of patience

 

[robinnx]

You think that's nonsense what he's talking about? I don't know, I'm a beginner. That's why I wrote that I heard, not that I knew.

I don't know but I have a bad feeling. it smells like a "Fake Guru"!!!!!!!
can get his/her name?

 

[privatne]

Hi
but still, if you believe what he said, then words like
sexy, veve, vovo, love, kick, vick, lazy, quiz, juno, juni, juju, june, july, qubo, waxy, wavy, woke, wuwu, zuzu, zulu, etc, etc
wouldn't have value or be desirable, because they have the "non premium" letters?.

buying .com
sexy, veve, vovo, love, kick, vick, lazy, quiz, juno, juni, juju, june, july, qubo, waxy, wavy, woke, wuwu, zuzu, zulu
$100 each !!!!

 

[s.g]

THIS IS MEGA EASY, @moelaimari

Grab a handful of loose black tea. Throw it on your kitchen floor while shouting at the top of your voice "Domain xyz dot xyz [use your domain's name], how much are you worth?"

Then simply count all the tea fragments which are partially turned towards your oven (their thinnest parts count as arrow points). Multiply that number by 3.174 and you have the precise price of your LLLL.com in USD. Plus minus 10-20% but generally it's spot on.

However, if your LLLL.com is CVCV or VCVC and if it is both memorable and pronounceable, please send us your offer. We are practicing here at ridiculously cheap NP with certain domains. Slowly but surely we will be ready to move toward LLLLs and LLLs. The funds are already available; our domaining knowledge—as Borat would likely put it if we ever let him observe our brainless brainstorming sessions—not so!

 

[Samer]

I don't know but I have a bad feeling. it smells like a "Fake Guru"!!!!!!!
can get his/her name?

Lol Reminds me of Jim Cramer hahahaaha

"Fake Gurus" "False Prophets" We see them everyday

 

[s.g]

Samer? Samer? Lord Samer?

Is that you?

 

[NameVP]

Some good advice has already been given.

The only things I can add is:

• The time, experience, and failure thing.
• An LLLL.com is really only worth what you are willing to pay for it based off of knowledge gained.
• Brand ability, the “radio” translation thing, and past usage also factor in.

Like said, $100 or less is good, but I will add that the $500 and $1000 threshold is something to keep in mind. If you can get a questionable LLLL.com for under $500 but it stands out to you, chances are it will resell for between $500 and $1000. Same goes with domains that bid out between $500 and $1000. Once you start getting above $1000 risk does become a higher factor and in-depth research must be had.

What you want to avoid is grabbing into a very good domain that is dropped and auction caught for almost $3000 and then resold at no reserve auction for $2000. Pretty obvious, but I have seen this happen more than one would expect.

 

[Apprich]

Hi

below are LLLL.com that have the supposed "anti-premium or sub-premium" letters.
the stats below are from Sedo:

vioz.com 16011 visitors $359.79 revenue > SOLD
wjfm.com 2808 $30.71
wejs.com 961 $5.25 > SOLD
upyo.com 1279 $4.98
gmxo.com 597 $2.01
alvn.com 1374 $50.99 > SOLD
amwb.com 1821 $17.24
amwt.com 1788 $2.79 > SOLD
ukom.com 1948 $7.9
ueuk.com 4066 $5.39 > SOLD
egwd.com 10040 $5.62
tjal.com 3952 $18.65
upyo.com 1279 $4.98
iduh.com 1091 $5.39
fqfm.com 1807 $4.95
pixm.com 3018 $12.94 > SOLD
ikow.com 2374 $17.59
irxa.com > SOLD
gvco.com 1504 $13.7 > SOLD

just so you know that everyone doesn't believe in the propaganda,
four of those names were sold to NP members!

additionally, have received offers on others, just did not accept.

imo....

Any LLLL.com can sell anytime for any price, each domain is unique combination.. it means nothing if no buyer today, there can be buyer tomorrow. One thing you know is for sure there are limited number combinations...

 

[biggie]

Hi

An LLLL.com is really only worth what you are willing to pay for it based off of knowledge gained.

i can't agree with what you said above, even in general
why?

if knowledge is limited, then what that person offers, may not be an educated bid.
and the ignorance of buyer, doesn't reduce the value from sellers perspective.

as, what's it's "worth or the value" to buyer, is not always acceptable to seller.

it means nothing if no buyer today, there can be buyer tomorrow. One thing you know is for sure there are limited number combinations...

Hi
now, that is true about the limit,
which also means "limited availability", because none are available to register.
and that limit, is what gives appeal and drives price increases.

imo....

 

[NameVP]

i can't agree with what you said above, even in general
why?

Great call out and I apologize for not being clearer, along with not wording my thought on this better.

To add, an LLLL.com is really only worth what you are willing to pay for it based off of knowledge gained after the point of realistic value and personal interest, coming from the buyer's perspective. Pertaining more to the buyer who has personal interest for purposes of collecting or banking, but the buyer who does their research on an LLLL.com for purposes of flipping/reselling could be included also.

The buyer who purely wants a certain domain to either collect or bank, basically they are held to the amount him or her has within their credit line and/or bank account. However, the majority of buyers like this establish a mental cap they are willing to spend. Thus, the LLLL.com is really only worth what they are willing to pay based off of knowledge gained. The knowledge gained being they know it's up for action, they know what the domain is, have some idea of its value, and determined they want to buy.

Not as apparent for buyers seeking to purchase an LLLL.com for purposed of flipping/reselling, but it has some validity. After proper research (knowledge gained), and a solid "estimated" value pinpointed, these types of buyers can find themselves in an "is really only worth what you are willing to pay for it based off of knowledge gained" situation when a domain in auction goes above their solid "estimated" value set. My point being, if a buyer determines an LLLL.com has a researched estimated wholesale value of $1000-1500, and during the auction the bid(s) surpass $1500, given the buyer remains in the bidding, they would enter the arena of the domain only worth what they are willing to pay for it given the knowledge gained.

I think I will stop there.

 

[biggie]

To add, an LLLL.com is really only worth what you are willing to pay for it based off of knowledge gained after the point of realistic value and personal interest, coming from the buyer's perspective.

Thus, the LLLL.com is really only worth what they are willing to pay based off of knowledge gained.

is really only worth what you are willing to pay for it based off of knowledge gained"

domain only worth what they are willing to pay for it

Hi

all quotes above, basically say same thing in first post, just added a few more words.

it seems your perspective is derived from "hearsay", where others have repeated such lines like
"a domain is only worth what a buyer is willing to pay".


imo....

 

[NameVP]

True, I am no way, shape, or form the first person to put forth such advice and I agree it is a lame, blank, repetitive nugget to give. It's the most given answer when it comes to those who ask what's the best way to valuate a domain name. However, since the OP stated they were "new" to domaining, I thought I would be the one to toss this tidbit of domaining knowledge into the mix.

And for the record, when I said "based off of knowledge gained", I also meant this to include any level of knowledge gained including very little to none.

 

[Mr. Deleted]

I heard that it is good to avoid x,y,q,w,j and k. Also two v and u. For example: upud or vvsc.
So, at least don't buy LLLL with two first mentioned letters.

I recently sold 2 names that have Vs in them above 300.