debate Environmental Thread does anyone care that Amazon Rain Forest is burning down to the ground

[oldtimer]

This is a total catastrophe and failure for the World and humanity at large. There are some things that surpass national boundaries and borders like Human Rights and certain Environmental issues that affect the whole Globe which surely should be of concern to all of us. Whether it’s the Oceans and Rivers that have been polluted or whether it’s our air and soil that have been poisoned, it all has something to do with human activity like the Global Warming and the Melting of the Ice Caps and Glaciers which is going to put many coastal Cities and Communities under water soon. IMO

Everyone’s opinions are welcomed, but keep your comments constructive, professional, and on topic. Personal attacks and belittling of others are not tolerated.

 

[eyedomainous]

The ProjectBluePlanet looks good. Congrats, and all the best with it.

I also have a planet education project, SpeciesTV.com -that's been 'reaching out' since 2007, with hundreds of curated newsfeed items every page-load... so it takes a few moments to load.

Unfortunately, as illustrated by the Trump supporter who advises folks to start a garden... while Trump releases an additional 1.8 Billion Gigatons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere just by removing existing regulations... all 'individual' efforts to make things better at this point is like rearranging one's deck chair on the titanic. It'll make us feel better as we circle-the-drain, but it won't turn-around the ship.

 

[Cal2]

Unfortunately, as illustrated by the Trump supporter who advises folks to start a garden... while Trump releases an additional 1.8 Billion Gigatons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere just by removing existing regulations... all 'individual' efforts to make things better at this point is like rearranging one's deck chair on the titanic. It'll make us feel better as we circle-the-drain, but it won't turn-around the ship.

This could be where a 'design ways forward while leaving a problem in place' could be useful, necessary.

One place to start, that could help with that: https://www.edwddebono.com/course

There's also a book version: https://www.amazon.com/Bonos-Thinking-Course-Edward-Bono/dp/0816018952

 

[Cannuck]

The ProjectBluePlanet looks good. Congrats, and all the best with it.

I also have a planet education project, SpeciesTV.com -that's been 'reaching out' since 2007, with hundreds of curated newsfeed items every page-load... so it takes a few moments to load.

Very cool, will reach out to you for backlinks when the time is right, thanks for your insight and contribution .

 

[RogueWriter]

Looking from actual charts, fires in the Amazon region appears about average. Going back to 2003, worse than some years, better than others, and this does not account for better detection of fires in current years....

https://www.globalfiredata.org/regional.html

JMO, human extinction is more likely to occur through an act of terror that leads to WWIII, or a natural calamity such as the Yellowstone volcano taking out about a third of the U.S., leading to an apocalypse of all land based organic material for a generation.

Having said that, I like that organizations are tying to purchase large segments of the Amazon for the purpose of protecting the environment. But, I like it because that is a great moral choice, not because I buy into some politically and monetary driven agenda.

 

[Cannuck]

Wow, looking at that line graph (which is good but kinda hard to read), 2005 was a bad year, followed by 2010 and 2015 respectively... 5 year pattern emerges - hover over the years to isolate and highlight the lines helps to read the line graph data, since the lines are so thin and difficult to distinguish from each other when densely packed. Nice find @RogueWriter

 

[RogueWriter]

Wow, looking at that line graph (which is good but kinda hard to read), 2005 was a bad year, followed by 2010 and 2015 respectively... 5 year pattern emerges - hover over the years to isolate and highlight the lines helps to read the line graph data, since the lines are so thin and difficult to distinguish from each other when densely packed. Nice find @RogueWriter

BTW, not trying to disparage your concerns about the Amazon at all, I would also like to have oxygen to breathe, breathing is one of my favorite pastimes.

 

[CraigD]

According to a few articles I pulled up to check it out, that wasn't her meaning. It was about putting pressure on politicians to do their jobs and hold them accountable.

"We have to make sure that they cannot do that," she said. "We will make sure they, that we put them against the wall, and that they will have to do their job and to protect our futures."

In Swedish, the phrase "putting someone against the wall" means someone is forced to address difficult questions of a difficult situation."


Makes sense. How you would put someone against a wall and finish them, then expect them to do their jobs.....

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/worl...t-against-the-wall/ar-AAK8zS5?ocid=spartandhp

It was an unfortunate phrase to use as it has a very specific meaning in english when discussing revolution and accountability - even in comedy:

“The Encyclopedia Galactica defines a robot as a mechanical apparatus designed to do the work of a man. The marketing division of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation defines a robot as "Your Plastic Pal Who's Fun to Be With. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy defines the marketing division of the Sirius Cybernetic Corporation as "a bunch of mindless jerks who'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.”

- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (1979)

 

[eyedomainous]

^ NASA's state-of-the-art global fire data site serves satellite feeds in 'near real-time'
https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/map/

Also, while Brazil wildfires dominate the headlines, NASA data declares Africa as the "Wildfire Continent".
And, (illegal) logging in Brazils rainforest is also 'on fire' now, so you have to look beyond the flames to see the big picture in Brazil. Then add the:

- Zombie Fires in Arctic (Releasing Record Carbon Dioxide)
https://weather.com/science/environment/video/zombie-fires-in-arctic-release-record-carbon-dioxide

- Wildfires in Siberia (burned down an area larger than Greece)
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/07/heat-wave-thawed-siberia-now-on-fire/

- Bush Wildfires in Australia (killed some three billion animals)

Looking from actual charts, fires in the Amazon region appears about average. Going back to 2003.

The 'actual charts' for 2020 won't be out for months.

 

[Cannuck]

- Zombie Fires in Arctic (Releasing Record Carbon Dioxide)
https://weather.com/science/environment/video/zombie-fires-in-arctic-release-record-carbon-dioxide

Holy crap, I hadn't heard of zombie fires in the Arctic before, that's news to me, thanks for the info!

http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2...ires-are-the-new-symptom-of-a-warming-planet/

The video on that news flash, doesn't really match the Arctic where the fires are underground (apparently in the tundra). Typically, the tundra is sparcely covered by trees.

 

[Cannuck]

Over all, temperatures clocked in at 0.63 degrees Celsius warmer than the average for September over the past 40 years. That means the month was nearly 1.3 degrees hotter than pre-industrial levels.

Scientists at Copernicus estimated last month that CO2 emissions from fires in the Arctic Circle have increased by more than a third compared with 2019, with 244 megatonnes of carbon produced from January 1 to August 31, 2020. By comparison, 181 megatonnes of carbon were produced for the whole of 2019.​

https://www.ctvnews.ca/climate-and-...er-ever-breaking-last-year-s-record-1.5135825

 

[HotKey]

Definitely care. Cared since I was a kid. We all can care all we want. The only answer is within ourselves, and making individual choices that, collectively, will make enough of an impact.

It starts with good parenting. Screw that up, better suit up for battle for the rest of your life. You don't build a foundation after the fact.

Brazil is a sovereign nation. We're all laying on them, I do hope it helps. It's not only the rainforests that we are losing, there are precious peoples that have been lost or been forced deeper and deeper into the jungles of the Amazon. They do not want our ways, and we force it upon them. This is not right now is it?

Our need for consumerism is at the very heart of the problem. Like the pandemic. I have never seen the roads or stores busier. Buy buy buy, produce produce produce. Slow it down people. Back to the drawing board.

Let this message resonate, for it is NOW:

"We are at one of the great turning points in human history when the survival of our planet and the restoration of our humanity require a great sea change in our ecological, economic, political, and spiritual values." - Grace Lee Bogs

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[Cannuck]

"We are at one of the great turning points in human history when the survival of our planet and the restoration of our humanity require a great sea change in our ecological, economic, political, and spiritual values." - Grace Lee Bogs

Wonderful quote Grace Lee Bogs still active at the age of 95, wrote her fifth book, The Next American Revolution: Sustainable Activism for the Twenty-First Century. Thanks for shedding some light

Another quote from the site, Charter for Compassion:

"What will move us to care for our biosphere instead of using our technological mastery to increase the speed at which we are making it uninhabitable?"

https://charterforcompassion.org/truth-political-and-social-activists/truth-grace-lee-boggs

 

[Cannuck]

Let's say we don't even consider the lungs of the earth in terms of its ability to absorb CO2 and replenish O2, and just study wildlife species (flora and fauna). Science is just beginning to understand the medicinal benefits of many of the plant species, as well as indicator species and smaller animals, like birds that migrate to the Amazon. For instance, the veerie, which few have even heard of, is a bird that nests and breeds in Delaware during the summer and flies up to 4000mi to the rainforest during winter.

Scientists didn't even know where these birds spent winters up until a few years ago. Data collection via GPS, along with some radical hypothesis actually showed that the veerie's departure correlated directly to weather patterns. Scientists realized that the veerie would depart earlier in a year which had greater storms, like hurricanes. Their ability to predict weather patterns months in advance was more conclusive than meteorologists using satellite data and supercomputers! They are, in fact nature's own Global climate prediction analysts.

 

[Cal2]

When trying to advance/solve something that seems tough or unsolvable - like eg. climate change - something to consider:

Language is an encyclopedia of ignorance. Words and concepts become established at a period of relative ignorance – which each period must be, compared to the subsequent period. Once the perceptions and concepts are frozen into the permanence of language, they control and limit our thinking on any subject because we are forced to use those concepts. – “I Am Right – You Are Wrong” by Edward de Bono

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/98483.I_Am_Right_You_Are_Wrong

 

[Cannuck]

For example, the only ancient culture to develop a word for blue was the Egyptians, as they were also the only culture that had a way to produce a blue dye. Blue doesn't appear much in nature and there are almost no blue animals, blue eyes are rare, and blue flowers are mostly human creations.

https://www.sciencealert.com/humans-didn-t-see-the-colour-blue-until-modern-times-evidence-science

 

[Cal2]

Prince William and Sir David Attenborough join forces on 'Earthshot' prize

"A study found the further the problem in question is from the people who come up with a workable solution, the more likely they are to solve it."

"And it explains why Prince William and Sir David Attenborough are saying don't hesitate to apply if you think you've got an idea that could help"

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54435638

 

[Cannuck]

Wonderful ^ I love it!

That's exactly what we need, that's been missing in society today...it warms my heart (and I have an idea to boot!)

 

[oldtimer]

Living a Simpler Life is my solution to our Environmental problems,

And that's in addition to what I have been saying over and over all along as far as the need for Humanity as a whole to have to ascend to a higher level of thinking and existence and the urgency for us all to have to find common grounds over the Universal values and principles that are derived through Logic and Compassion in order to become a unified and righteous force for good that is worthy of being in charge of the destiny and future of our World.

The truth of the matter is that the problems with the Environment and our Home Planet can not be addressed without making some serious changes in our whole way of life which might require changing or abandoning altogether the kind of mindsets, habits, lifestyles, politics, policies, laws, cultures, traditions, customs, and personal and group beliefs, ideologies, doctrines, and philosophies that have brought the World to this point not only when it comes to the Environmental problems, but also with all the other social, political, religious, racial, economical, technological, and scientific issues that we have to deal with because these are all part of the same package and as much as some people with good intensions like to, but we cannot solve the Environmental issues without addressing the big picture and fixing all these other problems that are interconnected together and that collectively effect the future of Humanity and our Home Planet and beyond.

In order to live a simpler life that puts a limit on how much we can consume, waste, and even own it really does require that we change the World as we know it because as we consume, waste, and own less we have to make sure that the people whose livelihood depends on supporting and maintaining all the excesses that are going to be trimmed out are not going to be thrown under the bus or pushed into poverty. That’s why we have to come up with a new kind of global economical system that can make it possible for the World to live a simpler life without sacrificing anyone’s livelihood or well being.

One way to cut down on consumption and waste is to make our homes, cars, appliances, clothes, and all the gadgets and things that we have to have more environmentally friendly and in a way that they can be passed on to future generations with some minimal repair or remodeling so that they can be used for hundreds of years instead of just for a few years at a time.

Another way is to cut down on the amount of our food intake so that we don’t have to consume and waste so much food everyday. One reason that we currently have to eat so much to feel satisfied is because most food that is processed and manufactured lack enough nutrients since they are filled with fat, sugar, and carbohydrates. If we can consume less meat and make other wholesome, hearty, healthy, and satisfying food and snack choices and alternatives available to people perhaps we can cut down on the bulk of the food that is being consumed everyday around the World which in turn will put less stress on the Environment. It’s also a good idea if we can grow more of our food locally by promoting home gardening so that less food has to be transported over long distances everyday.

It will also help if we can cut down on unnecessary travel. Perhaps now that a lot of people have gotten used to working from home we can continue the same trend even after the Pandemic is over.

The fact that more and more people are now paying attention to the Environment and their Home Planet is very encouraging and perhaps can contribute to getting more input and ideas for solving the problems that have gripped our World. One thing that we need to remember though is that solving the Environmental problems is a collective endeavor that requires everyone’s cooperation in order to be successful and so as we discuss the big picture and all the elements that are involved in this situation we need to be careful not to create an atmosphere that discourages participation by others.
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Although the answer as far as what each one of us can do to help save our Home Planet is somewhat clear, but the question is how much we as intelligent and Environmentally conscious individuals are willing to sacrifice in order to help put a stop to all the damage that is being done before things go passed the point of no return.

So the ultimate question is are we all willing to live a simpler life by consuming, wasting, and owning less stuff and are we all willing to indulge ourselves a little less and only eat what we really need when it comes to food or do we just want to make a few speeches and act like we as the experts and activists have a monopoly on all things concerning the Environment just to make ourselves feel good just like people have been doing at the United Nations for the past 50 years or so.


The time for giving speeches is over, we now have to act and by setting the right examples we should try to persuade others to do the right thing too.


IMO

 

[oldtimer]

So what have you all done to live a simpler and more environmentally friendly life.

And what have you all done to encourage others to live a simpler and more environmentally friendly life.

And what are you all going to do to convince the United Nations and its many member Countries that still think that we have a lot of time to realize that the damage to this Planet is accelerating and that the incremental actions that they have been taking thus far to stop it is no longer adequate since we are getting closer and closer to the point of no return.

Do you all believe that the World as a whole needs to take some immediate and concrete actions to stop all the environmental damage from getting worse and if so what are you all going to do towards calling the United Nations and its member Countries into action and holding those who refuse to move to account.

It's time for everyone to become a more engaged Environmental Activist. The time for going to conferences and giving the same old speeches is over, this is now a do and die situation that means if we don’t do our Home Planet will soon die.

IMO

 

[Cannuck]

So what have you all done to live a simpler and more environmentally friendly life.

And what have you all done to encourage others to live a simpler and more environmentally friendly life.

And what are you all going to do to convince the United Nations and its many member Countries that still think that we have a lot of time to realize that the damage to this Planet is accelerating and that the incremental actions that they have been taking thus far to stop it is no longer adequate since we are getting closer and closer to the point of no return.

It's time for everyone to become a more engaged Environmental Activist. The time for going to conferences and giving the same old speeches is over, this is now a do and die situation that means if we don’t do our Home Planet will soon die.

IMO

I've been challenging mostly far Right thought in the NP's US political thread. Yeah, that one...the toilet, where angels fear to tread. It's been a trip! The heads in there are decent guys for the most part though, they generally treat me with respect in some candid dialogue, but it was a fight at first and I'm the lone green wolf. At least the meme machine has slowed down, lol. That was annoying! Anyway, it's been an education for me too. I can't say that I'm all that encouraged by the right vs left political agenda and propaganda from the top down, apart from what I've heard in the last two weeks coming out of the Biden camp... it seems he gets it, but again, he's fishing for votes.

What have I done to make my life simpler? Over the last year I built a tinyhome back east on a piece of land, developed an off-grid solar farm and planted my own crop. The fishing isn't all that good anymore, so I moved to a remote northern community where it is Covid-free. My diet consists mostly of game now, the fish are plentiful and the moose is shared among the tribe. I don't drive, but I bought a ski-doo for the winter to go ice fishing. I work with youth and elders, and the local medicine man to bring back the age-old traditions. Collected some berries and medicine today.

Oh yeah, I've been networking with some keen Environmentally-friendly people I met in this thread, and started another general thread: Earth Matters, so what's holding us back (just recently been getting traction and some other feedback), it's kind of ridiculous talking to yourself I registered a domain and started a webpage: projectblueplanet.com (but it's not easy to work via satellite and my computer crapped out). That's the latest news, been doing this for years @oldtimer.

...would also like to hear feedback from others, especially the younger generation who have more at stake.

 

[oldtimer]

Over the last year I built a tinyhome back east on a piece of land, developed an off-grid solar farm and planted my own crop. The fishing isn't all that good anymore, so I moved to a remote northern community where it is Covid-free. My diet consists mostly of game now, the fish are plentiful and the moose is shared among the tribe. I don't drive, but I bought a ski-doo for the winter to go ice fishing. I work with youth and elders, and the local medicine man to bring back the age-old traditions. Collected some berries and medicine today.

Oh yeah, I've been networking with some keen Environmentally-friendly people I met in this thread, and started another general thread: Earth Matters, so what's holding us back (just recently been getting traction and some other feedback), it's kind of ridiculous talking to yourself I registered a domain and started a webpage: projectblueplanet.com (but it's not easy to work via satellite and my computer crapped out). That's the latest news, been doing this for years

I value the work that people like you do if it helps save the Humanity and the Environment and I tend not to think of such people in terms of politics, but rather I try to think of them as those whom I share a common cause with.

I myself am not 100% committed to either the Right or the Left of the political spectrum and although there are some things that I find to be good on each side, but there are also some policies and ideologies that I have issues with both when it comes to the people on the Right and on the Left.

For example I like the fact that people on the Left care a little more about the Environment and our Home Planet, but I am not very happy about the way that the pro abortion groups take the life of the unborn children in such great numbers simply because they are dead set on maintaining the kind of wrong lifestyles that require so many innocent lives to be sacrificed each year. Even though I might accept abortion being done in some rare circumstances before the first trimester of the pregnancy, but in all honesty I don't think that it's right for the people on the Left to be encouraging and supporting late term or partial birth abortion which in my opinion is just plain murder, I believe that if an unborn child is going to have to be executed in such ways it should only be done by a court order that has been approved by a panel of judges and doctors.

I also like the fact that those on the Left seem to be caring more about healthcare and other social services for all people, but I don't agree with those who seem to be mistakenly considering the pursuit of happiness as living a delinquent or a promiscuous and lustful life without respecting any moral or social boundaries. I also believe that people of all gender and gender preferences regardless of whether they consider themselves to be straight or belonging to one of the LGBTQ groups should be free to create a family together and have the right to live as each others lifelong soulmates and companions in a lawfully recognized marriage as long as they adhere to the Universally accepted values and principles that are derived through logic and compassion and that are not enslaved to a lifetime of lust and delinquency and as such I believe that it is the responsibility of the government and the society at large to make sure that such individuals and families are not subjected to undue abuse and discrimination.

Now when it comes to those who are on the Right I respect their dedication to their faith and their support for the law and order, but I am not very happy about the fact that they want to discriminate about certain groups within the society that they don't like and seem to be going out of their way to deprive certain segments of the population of being able to live a decent, happy, and healthy life. I don't like the fact that the kind of racism that is being promoted by the Right doesn't just stop at people not liking each other as it seems to have a direct effect on the quality of life for the many people who find themselves to be the subject of bigotry, hate, and discrimination in their daily lives.

And even though I believe in productive and constructive Capitalism that makes life easier and more convenient for the masses, but I am not very happy with those greedy corporations that are being supported by the Right which want to sacrifice everyone and everything for more profits specially if those big salaries and bonuses that the top executives get come at the cost of taking advantage of the average families and or the Environment. I also am not very happy with having the kind of economical and social inequalities that seem to be the hallmark of slavery and oppression. I believe that the only way that we can justify having a millionaire or billionaire class is if those people use all their financial and social positions and resources to serve the Humanity and help protect the Environment instead of living in excesses and just thinking of themselves.

As you said it's hard to find any angles in this game since everybody seems to be affiliated and aligned with some kind of an ideology or party which is putting everyone at each others throat, but for those who are willing to put politics and their own prejudices aside and sincerely want to help save the Humanity and our Home Planet they can consider me to be an ally and a friend.


PS: I am going to take a break from posting on the forum in order to tend to my health conditions, hope everyone wears a mask and stays safe.


IMO

 

[BrandEntrance.com]

We are doomed if we don't change course.

Green = old fossil fuel plus 50% more Fossil Fuel = Only good for the billionaires, not the planet.

Bookmarked at the experts telling us all the same underlying problem... not the elephant in the room... the herd of elephants in the room... "Can we be voluntarily smart enough to limit our own growth?".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk11vI-7czE&feature=youtu.be&t=2727&fbclid=IwAR0kSlh18qAFbEfRcKpqIAEd8aDGrvUfewh6pxcJAN6P6p6LN7xhvYRPbbk

 

[oldtimer]

Here are a few domains that I have registered recently with the hopes that someday I could use them to create more awareness about the Environment and our Home Planet:

SavingOurHomePlanet.com /.org

GoodOldEarth.com /.org

GoAllSustainable.com / .org

 

[GILSAN]

I value the work that people like you do if it helps save the Humanity and the Environment and I tend not to think of such people in terms of politics, but rather I try to think of them as those whom I share a common cause with.

I myself am not 100% committed to either the Right or the Left of the political spectrum and although there are some things that I find to be good on each side, but there are also some policies and ideologies that I have issues with both when it comes to the people on the Right and on the Left.

For example I like the fact that people on the Left care a little more about the Environment and our Home Planet, but I am not very happy about the way that the pro abortion groups take the life of the unborn children in such great numbers simply because they are dead set on maintaining the kind of wrong lifestyles that require so many innocent lives to be sacrificed each year. Even though I might accept abortion being done in some rare circumstances before the first trimester of the pregnancy, but in all honesty I don't think that it's right for the people on the Left to be encouraging and supporting late term or partial birth abortion which in my opinion is just plain murder, I believe that if an unborn child is going to have to be executed in such ways it should only be done by a court order that has been approved by a panel of judges and doctors.

I also like the fact that those on the Left seem to be caring more about healthcare and other social services for all people, but I don't agree with those who seem to be mistakenly considering the pursuit of happiness as living a delinquent or a promiscuous and lustful life without respecting any moral or social boundaries. I also believe that people of all gender and gender preferences regardless of whether they consider themselves to be straight or belonging to one of the LGBTQ groups should be free to create a family together and have the right to live as each others lifelong soulmates and companions in a lawfully recognized marriage as long as they adhere to the Universally accepted values and principles that are derived through logic and compassion and that are not enslaved to a lifetime of lust and delinquency and as such I believe that it is the responsibility of the government and the society at large to make sure that such individuals and families are not subjected to undue abuse and discrimination.

Now when it comes to those who are on the Right I respect their dedication to their faith and their support for the law and order, but I am not very happy about the fact that they want to discriminate about certain groups within the society that they don't like and seem to be going out of their way to deprive certain segments of the population of being able to live a decent, happy, and healthy life. I don't like the fact that the kind of racism that is being promoted by the Right doesn't just stop at people not liking each other as it seems to have a direct effect on the quality of life for the many people who find themselves to be the subject of bigotry, hate, and discrimination in their daily lives.

And even though I believe in productive and constructive Capitalism that makes life easier and more convenient for the masses, but I am not very happy with those greedy corporations that are being supported by the Right which want to sacrifice everyone and everything for more profits specially if those big salaries and bonuses that the top executives get come at the cost of taking advantage of the average families and or the Environment. I also am not very happy with having the kind of economical and social inequalities that seem to be the hallmark of slavery and oppression. I believe that the only way that we can justify having a millionaire or billionaire class is if those people use all their financial and social positions and resources to serve the Humanity and help protect the Environment instead of living in excesses and just thinking of themselves.

As you said it's hard to find any angles in this game since everybody seems to be affiliated and aligned with some kind of an ideology or party which is putting everyone at each others throat, but for those who are willing to put politics and their own prejudices aside and sincerely want to help save the Humanity and our Home Planet they can consider me to be an ally and a friend.


PS: I am going to take a break from posting on the forum in order to tend to my health conditions, hope everyone wears a mask and stays safe.

IMO

Thanks for a very balanced and excellent post. Wish everyone would agree with at least 90% of your way of thinking... Keep safe!

 

[CraigD]

For example, the only ancient culture to develop a word for blue was the Egyptians, as they were also the only culture that had a way to produce a blue dye. Blue doesn't appear much in nature and there are almost no blue animals, blue eyes are rare, and blue flowers are mostly human creations.

https://www.sciencealert.com/humans-didn-t-see-the-colour-blue-until-modern-times-evidence-science

I have to disagree there.

The Australian aboriginals were around long before the Egyptians, and at least one aboriginal tribe had a word for the colour blue:

A word for the colour Blue existed in a vocabulary to the west of the lands of the Gugu Badhun peoples, Walter E. Roth, Chief Protector of Aboriginals in Queensland records in 1904, “On the Tully River,… Any Blue colour is chibul-chibul,”
https://medium.com/@mattpoll2/blue-ochre-7b058cc64ff7

As for the colours occurrence in nature, what about blueberries, bluebells, bluebirds, cassowaries, peacocks, bowerbirds, blue ringed octopus?

Lots of birds have blue plumage. Many animals have blue colouring or markings.

What are bowerbirds going to collect if there is nothing blue around?

Rocks and minerals like azurite, chalcanthite, chrysocolla, linarite, opal, smithsonite, turquoise, and vivianite.

Perhaps I am more used to seeing blue in the Australian landscape, flora and fauna?

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