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I dip in and out of this forum, leave for 9 months, back for 6 etc. Most recently quit domaining and had a change of heart and started to rebuild.

But every time I come back here I see a few newbies hand-registering absolutely turgid rubbish by the hundreds or even thousands.I won't name any names here as it would look like an attack.

I know that some people just won't listen, and I see a few people trying to get them to stop, but these people are undermined by people who 'like' their reg of the day.

Lets be clear here, I'm not talking about 'subjectivity' here, but I'm talking about people registering domains with 3 hypens, or 50 character nonsense domains.

So two questions:

1. Do we have moral obligation to be straight with these newbies and tell them that they are registering rubbish, even if this is a thankless task and the person refuses to listen and even doubles down on what they are doing.

2. Is it ethical for experienced domainers to 'like' posts which seem to validate the newbies selections.

I look at some of these people with thousands of completely unsellable hand regs, and on one hand I do think that they probably play their part in keeping registration and renewal prices down for every domainer as these nonsense domains are part of the ecosystem and generate cash for the registry and registrars, but on the other hand these domainers could be in debt, or blowing money from family savings without their wives knowing.

I find it very difficult to see people spending like $7000 on terrible handregs without saying something.

One particular individual got very angry with me and suggested that he isn't rich enough to get domains from closeout, but a domain from closeout costs what... $25 including one year renewal, and this individual has hundreds and hundreds of hand regs from all sorts of extentions. So if they took their time they could build a decent port of say 100 closeout domains over a period of 12-18 months, that would probably cost them less.

Why do people ignore these newbies and let them waste their money, and more importantly why do some people seem to encourage this really self-destructive and damaging behaviour by pressing 'like' on red-widget8383eu.biz or whatever nonsense they have registered?

Thoughts?
 
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Yes, that is true that sales alone don't really matter if you are losing money.

However, it is hard to even know if you are on the right path without a proof of concept. That involves actually making sales.

Brad

Thank you. Sense at last. I agree with you. I just don't get why some people are quick to judge me part way through a project. I will stand toe to toe with anyone but I don't have to agree with everything that is said to me and it doesn't always mean that I am egotistical just because I don't always listen. Maybe I just have a differing opinion.

Proof of concept can be hinted at by offers. So far this year I have had three offers which if I had accepted the offers would have given me roughly a 1% potential sell through rate which I believe is what can hope to be achieved by most domain investors. This is without any out-bounding calls or e-mails so maybe I just have domain names that other people want.
 
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It's the hat that counts.


And to think that some people spend hundreds on just one club thinking it will make the better. False economy. Fake clubs.
 
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Thank you. Sense at last. I agree with you. I just don't get why some people are quick to judge me part way through a project. I will stand toe to toe with anyone but I don't have to agree with everything that is said to me and it doesn't always mean that I am egotistical just because I don't always listen. Maybe I just have a differing opinion.

Proof of concept can be hinted at by offers. So far this year I have had three offers which if I had accepted the offers would have given me roughly a 1% potential sell through rate which I believe is what can hope to be achieved by most domain investors. This is without any out-bounding calls or e-mails so maybe I just have domain names that other people want.
I agree with this, offers do provide a proof of concept. Might not be a sale, but it shows you/we are doing something right.

The key is knowing when to accept or how to negotiate those offers into cold hard cash. This is more difficult and something I need to work on...
 
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I think I will get the popcorn out.

I used to be involved in this type of discussion a decade or so ago, now I am older and wiser and just sit back and enjoy the mostly pointless arguments for the s*****rs and laughs. :xf.smile:
 
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I think I will get the popcorn out.

I used to be involved in this type of discussion a decade or so ago, now I am older and wiser and just sit back and enjoy the mostly pointless arguments for the s*****rs and laughs. :xf.smile:
Personally think it is a great thread ideas bouncing around, lessons to be learnt, keep it coming 😁
 
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I agree there is a good and a bad way. With that said I would always take the brutal truth over sugar coated nonsense any day. It is more helpful long term.

Brad

There is only one person's opinion that matters when buying or registering a domain name. It is not me or you. It is the person who buys the name for whatever price.
 
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You can't help anyone that doesn't want help, so I will usually only post if they're asking for a review/appraisal. I was a cook in the past and we had a saying, "don't serve anything you wouldn't eat yourself". For example in the handreg/purchase of the day forums I would only like a name that I would buy myself. I can see how the likes may be misleading, that's why you have to trust your source of approval. One of my favorite segments of the sherpa was portfolio review and perhaps namepros could benefit from having a have a similar section in appraisals. We should all just listen to Nick, he knows me make our own luck :)
 
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That is just kicking the can down the road in my view. You need to have checkpoints and goals on the way that indicate you are on the right path.

Brad

As a nod to proof of concept I've had three offers so far this year without any out-bounding calls or e-mails so it would roughly be about 1% potential sell through rate if I had accepted them. The names are parked at Efty for now until I figure out the next step.
 
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There is only one person's opinion that matters when buying or registering a domain name. It is not me or you. It is the person who buys the name for whatever price.

I would argue some domains are objectively good, just as well some are objectively bad.

The objectively good ones will likely have high reseller value, many end users, and a high likelihood of selling.
The objectively bad will have none of those traits.

And for the people who are too prideful or stubborn to consider reasonable advice from seasoned veterans...more power to you.

Brad
 
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Personally think it is a great thread ideas bouncing around, lessons to be learnt, keep it coming 😁

Some posts have been constructive, though by the looks of it there is now personal elements more to the fore.
 
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Some posts have been constructive, though by the looks of it there is now personal elements more to the fore.
Just seperate the wheat from the chaff...
 
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Well, I am pretty busy but I help where I can

This guy literally referenced you in the dash thread. This guy is wasting money buying dash domains. You make money when they waste money. org thread, dash thread. Not helpful. That ebook you just spammed again is not helping newbies. The time you took to make those 2 posts, you could have (for example) updated the tools page - https://domaingraduate.com/en/chapter-18-domaining-tools/

That's not helpful.

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I've tried to help this guy myself, his response was something about killing dreams. There are going to be people that make millions to people that do nothing but waste their money. Not everybody is going to get it, not everybody is supposed to get it. Usually buying bad domains is the education cost. Some people never graduate and flunk out.
 
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I think I will get the popcorn out.

I used to be involved in this type of discussion a decade or so ago, now I am older and wiser and just sit back and enjoy the mostly pointless arguments for the s*****rs and laughs. :xf.smile:
I would argue some domains are objectively good, just as well some are objectively bad.

The objectively good ones will likely have high reseller value, many end users, and a high likelihood of selling.
The objectively bad will have none of those traits.

And for the people who are too prideful or stubborn to consider reasonable advice from seasoned veterans...more power to you.

I would also be skeptical of someone giving you advice, while also trying to sell you a product or service.

Brad

Brad,

You're someone who I would take advice from as I have seen from your many posts previously that you are able to offer a reasoned and measure point of view.

However, what I won't tolerate is someone saying..."REDSTAGG, you are by far the worst domainer in the industry. Congragulations....they didn't even spelled congratulations write.

This whole thread was started and was aimed at me as I won't bow down and take unfounded advice from people who lack a certain level of professionalism. Sure, what I do doesn't always make sense, even to me sometimes but that doesn't automatically make it wrong, it is just a different approach to the same objective.

Instead of seeing me as too stubborn to take advice why can't people just look at what I'm doing and agree that there just might be some method to the madness. This is not my first rodeo.
 
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"REDSTAGG, you are by far the worst domainer in the industry. Congragulations....they didn't even spelled congratulations write.

Were you trying to be ironic with write for right? If so fantastic.

I agree no one should ever be saying stuff like that and you can invite the mods into that private message.
 
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Brad,

You're someone who I would take advice from as I have seen from your many posts previously that you are able to offer a reasoned and measure point of view.

However, what I won't tolerate is someone saying..."REDSTAGG, you are by far the worst domainer in the industry. Congragulations....they didn't even spelled congratulations write.

This whole thread was started and was aimed at me as I won't bow down and take unfounded advice from people who lack a certain level of professionalism. Sure, what I do doesn't always make sense, even to me sometimes but that doesn't automatically make it wrong, it is just a different approach to the same objective.

How was this thread aimed at you exactly?

If you look in the appraisal forum for instance there are endless terrible domains listed.

I don't see how this is targeting you.

Brad
 
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Were you trying to be ironic with write for right? If so fantastic.

I agree no one should ever be saying stuff like that and you can invite the mods into that private message.

We both got a slap on the wrist and we had to promise not to do it again......nah! Can't guarantee that. The Mods invited themselves. I was always a Rocker.
 
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Brad,

You're someone who I would take advice from as I have seen from your many posts previously that you are able to offer a reasoned and measure point of view.

However, what I won't tolerate is someone saying..."REDSTAGG, you are by far the worst domainer in the industry. Congragulations....they didn't even spelled congratulations write.

This whole thread was started and was aimed at me as I won't bow down and take unfounded advice from people who lack a certain level of professionalism. Sure, what I do doesn't always make sense, even to me sometimes but that doesn't automatically make it wrong, it is just a different approach to the same objective.

Instead of seeing me as too stubborn to take advice why can't people just look at what I'm doing and agree that there just might be some method to the madness. This is not my first rodeo.

I personally would spend less time justifying your reasoning and spend more time reading and less time regging....

This is not an insult or a put down, just some well intended advice.
 
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I personally would spend less time justifying your reasoning and spend more time reading and less time regging....

This is not an insult or a put down, just some well intended advice.

I agree. At the end of the day money talks, bullshit walks.

If you are putting up consistent results, keep doing what you are doing.
If you are not putting up consistent results, consider changing something.

Brad
 
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How was this thread aimed at you exactly?

If you look in the appraisal forum for instance there are endless terrible domains listed.

I don't see how this is targeting you.

Brad

Brad,

It is trust me. The original thread was started literally minutes after I was accused of being the worst domainer in the industry. Naturally, I had responded as I had right to do so. There are a few references too about discussions I have had with the originator of this post. They even mention a domain containing the word red...coincidence...don't think so.
 
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Well the theory is that all domains were hand regs once so if I hold onto something long enough it will become valuable - but there were less domainers back then, fewer people on the internet in general, fewer search tools to find domains, and acquisition and maintenance costs were higher, which all translate to more garbage being picked up and retained today than years ago.
 
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In Short: A Domain Is Rubbish or Not is a matter of Individual Regional and Niche based Perception That Cant be Calculated by The World. If you try to correct others, they just gonna tell you why they are right in the first place. Other option is let them buy rubbish and you silently make money with your gems.
 
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Brad,

It is trust me. The original thread was started literally minutes after I was accused of being the worst domainer in the industry. Naturally, I had responded as I had right to do so. There are a few references too about discussions I have had with the originator of this post. They even mention a domain containing the word red...coincidence...don't think so.

Oh I like @bmugford did not know this thread was about you and the op should have stated that in my opinion.
 
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Well the theory is that all domains were hand regs once so if I hold onto something long enough it will become valuable - but there were less domainers back then, fewer people on the internet in general, fewer search tools to find domains, and acquisition and maintenance costs were higher, which all translate to more garbage being picked up and retained today than years ago.

Exactly. I have heard that line of reasoning before and it really makes no sense.

A hand registered domain when there were 100K registered .COM is likely going to be much higher quality than a hand registered domain with 140M taken.

AKA the 100,001 registered domain is likely to be a lot better than domain number 140,000,001.

With that said, there are plenty of very old domains that are still crap.

Brad
 
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I personally would spend less time justifying your reasoning and spend more time reading and less time regging....

This is not an insult or a put down, just some well intended advice.

NickB,

I know sometimes you can be to the point and I appreciate your honesty and the time you have given to this thread.

Listen, I know I won't be ringing any of the top domainers anytime soon to discuss them buying my domains but I am making a stand. For the right to do things differently. For those that are adapting and building their own boxes. Newbies4Eva.com

I am still here. Not going away. Accept me or just put me on 'Ignore' then you don't have to care so much. Simples.
 
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Unasked for advice is a waste of time in many cases. Every year we see a fresh round of newbies who are too bullheaded to accept critiques from those with more experience . Many times those same people are bemoaning no sales after blank amount of time. If you aren’t in this to make money its a rather expensive hobby.

I think its best to just focus on your own portfolio and don’t worry yourself about other people’s garbage domains. If your competitors won’t take constructive criticism thats one less competitor a few years from now. This business is not for everyone and there is a revolving door repetition when people see they can’t get rich quick or don’t have the skills and cash flow needed.
 
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