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I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

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The views expressed on this page by users and staff are their own, not those of NamePros.
The number of people that view or believe something is not an indication of truth or fact.

First of all, try to relax and control the instinct to post and frantically re-post chaser questions. If you do not get a response within 15 minutes, on a weekend, it does not (per se) mean you are being ignored. People have lives outside of NP. :)

As for your question, it is so important to vet your sources. Pundits are brands. Their discernment is what it makes it newsworthy. That is why I encourage folks to use their real identity -- the benefits of authenticity outweighs the cost of lost anonymity.

Years ago, the world trusted Walter Cronkite. I have no idea as to whether the trust people placed in this classic newsman was well-placed. He was freemason, and an attendee of Bohemian Grove, so perhaps not. We'll know in eternity.

As for who or what to trust, I think the simple answer is found in scripture:

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First of all, try to relax and control the instinct to post and frantically re-post chaser questions. If you do not get a response within 15 minutes, on a weekend, it does not (per se) mean you are being ignored. People have lives outside of NP. :)

😂 I get that. I only post multiple times as opposed to editing the first post (only very few times) if I think it is an important conversation. Sorry to bother you.
 
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As for your question, it is so important to vet your sources. Pundits are brands. Their discernment is what it makes it newsworthy. That is why I encourage folks to use their real identity -- the benefits of authenticity outweighs the cost of lost anonymity.

So you shouldn't trust something because it is on the Internet? What recommendations would you offer people to vet sources? There is a lot of false or partisan info spread with people using their real name (or real-sounding names). On the other hand people can work under a "professional name" and be totally honest.
 
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So you shouldn't trust something because it is on the Internet? What recommendations would you offer people to vet sources? There is a lot of false or partisan info spread with people using their real name (or real-sounding names). On the other hand people can work under a "professional name" and be totally honest.

I am not going to endorse any particular news outlets, nor any particular pundit. Why? Because too many people are easily compromised with money or intimidation. The trusted voice of today is the pied piper of tomorrow. So, the only solution is to be discerning and to build as accurate a world view as possible based on assimilation of incontrovertible truths.

The end result for me is the conclusion that Satan is real but Jesus Christ is Lord, and He wins in the end. Most news these days is just propaganda anyway just as most markets are rigged casinos. By all means, be aware of them but no need to spend too much time following them. It is much better to spend one's time, talent and treasure to figure out how to lift up more people.

Everyone has a gift, including you. So, figure out how to use your gift in order to be a force for good and do it fearlessly without consideration for who gets the credit while providing adequately for your own family, not holding on to money too tightly. I am 52 years old, with 5 kids.I would give that same advice to my own kids. Lord-willing, some day, I would give that advice to my grandkids too.
 
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I am not sure I believe the official narrative of today's "drone strikes":

https://www.apnews.com/d20f80188e3543bfb36d512df7777cd4

All on a full (Harvest) moon, and right before Israeli elections, and right after Bolton is shown the door, and with the Trump/Kushner/Zionist peace plan on deck:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...udes-dividing-jerusalem-shaked-says-1.7841726

By the way, I think this is funny:

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I say let the Iranians have their weapons and let Americans have their guns, but let the citizens agree to not enlist to fight stupid wars.

By the way, I have yet to meet an Iranian I did not like. They are right up there with Turks and Norwegians -- they are all cool with me.

The type of foreign invasion I support is (1) orderly legal immigration, and (2) tourists disembarking from cruise ships, airplanes, etc. to enjoy experiencing other cultures.

Meanwhile, Epik is adding lots of ccTLDs and look forward to empowering the citizens of all nations. After all, people with jobs and savings are much harder to enlist in wars.
 
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I am not going to endorse any particular news outlets, nor any particular pundit.

The problem is that you post many videos, images and quotes from some unknown sources and claim they are "truth bombs" when in fact they have not been vetted and may in fact be pushing falsehoods or some group's talking points.

Calling those "truth bombs" is dangerous.
 
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The problem is that you post many videos, images and quotes from some unknown sources and claim they are "truth bombs" when in fact they have not been vetted and may in fact be pushing falsehoods or some group's talking points.

Calling those "truth bombs" is dangerous.

If you review my posts in context, I do try to distinguish between what I know for sure, and what is something others believe and why they believe them.

The reason for doing this is two-fold:

1. Encouraging an active mind when consuming media. Why? Because an active, thinking mind is better equipped to filter out propaganda, e.g. when a news event is tied to a drastic call to action or policy change such as what happened with Christchurch.

2. Promoting intellectual curiosity when it comes to seeking out the meaning of life, i.e. why the world works the way that it works, and what roles we as individuals, and as collectives, can play in improving the outlook for sovereign humanity.

Domain names are a wonderful equalizer for digital empowerment. As the current top internet brands becomes increasingly censorious and anti-Christian, it will become even more important for resilient, decentralized alternatives to fill the void. And they will.
 
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If you review my posts in context, I do try to distinguish between what I know for sure, and what is something others believe and why they believe them.

What is your criteria?
 
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Anybody want to comment why MD closed his account?
 
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I am not sure I believe the official narrative of today's "drone strikes":

https://www.apnews.com/d20f80188e3543bfb36d512df7777cd4

All on a full (Harvest) moon, and right before Israeli elections, and right after Bolton is shown the door, and with the Trump/Kushner/Zionist peace plan on deck:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...udes-dividing-jerusalem-shaked-says-1.7841726

By the way, I think this is funny:

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I say let the Iranians have their weapons and let Americans have their guns, but let the citizens agree to not enlist to fight stupid wars.

By the way, I have yet to meet an Iranian I did not like. They are right up there with Turks and Norwegians -- they are all cool with me.

The type of foreign invasion I support is (1) orderly legal immigration, and (2) tourists disembarking from cruise ships, airplanes, etc. to enjoy experiencing other cultures.

Meanwhile, Epik is adding lots of ccTLDs and look forward to empowering the citizens of all nations. After all, people with jobs and savings are much harder to enlist in wars.


All these killings and hostilities are making me depressed, those who use religion to kill, torture, maim, and suppress people in the name of God in one side of the World and those who condemn others to the pits of fire as they themselves live their whole lives in lust and greed on the other side of the World are not serving humanity as this is exactly why we are encouraged to rise above the status quo by ascending to a higher level of existence that is based on logic, compassion and the Universal rights and values that can help us be a force for good.

As far as the attacks on the oil refineries go I have a hunch that they were launched from southern Iraq, but then according to the International agreements those who have sold the weapons can’t be held responsible for the attacks the same way that gun manufacturers are not held responsible for mass shootings so I don’t expect to see any military retaliation by the west (at least not this time). As long as a big part of the World economy is running on selling missiles, tanks, bombs, and jet fighters to others then attacks like this are going to have to be expected as a cost of keeping the same old status quo around the World. IMO
 
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It's good that you want to do something to help the Humanity although don't forget about the Environment as I believe that a Good AI can help us in both areas.

'Good' AI should be a help. But a human created new and good concept, developed using some good ideas, can also go a good ways to helping such as the environment. Eg. 3D ocean farming. Very impressive specs of how such farming can supply us while cleaning the environment.

But creating such good concepts to start with isn't something we've been well trained at doing. Instead, many of our existing concepts were established during periods of ignorance, which then carried on influencing our thinking.

Logic by itself is not adequate, as for example someone might come to the logical conclusion that the society might be better off if all disabled or old people are eliminated to make room for more healthy and younger generations, compassion by itself is not adequate either as it can be considered a sign of weakness in certain situations. Strength of mind is achieved if there is a balance between logic and compassion in a way that they complement one another and keep each other in check to make sure that the decisions made make sense as far as common sense and the Universal rights and values are concerned. There might be certain scenarios and situations that people might arrive at different conclusions as human brain although powerful but is not perfect or they might get confused as to how much compassion they need to have, but that's when we need to use a Good AI (one with general intelligence) to help us find the right path.

The human brain can be powerful, but like a powerful car, how well it operates also depends on the driver.

People with high intelligence can often be poor at thinking - poor drivers. They use much of their intellect to argue and defend already held 'wisdom', instead of using their thinking well. Most all haven't even been trained well on how to think well.

People also don't think fully on many topics - which can lead to more different conclusions than there should be. It's one reason why Edward de Bono created his 6 Thinking Hats method - so people can have a framework to help think things through more fully, and help bring in logic and emotional thought when it more seems the right times to do so, instead of them misdirecting and dominating thinking so much.

In a nutshell, most all of us are not as great at thinking as we think we are, or could be. Maybe some 'good' AI will be able to help with that, as well.
 
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'Good' AI should be a help. But a human created new and good concept, developed using some good ideas, can also go a good ways to helping such as the environment. Eg. 3D ocean farming. Very impressive specs of how such farming can supply us while cleaning the environment.

But creating such good concepts to start with isn't something we've been well trained at doing. Instead, many of our existing concepts were established during periods of ignorance, which then carried on influencing our thinking.



The human brain can be powerful, but like a powerful car, how well it operates also depends on the driver.

People with high intelligence can often be poor at thinking - poor drivers. They use much of their intellect to argue and defend already held 'wisdom', instead of using their thinking well. Most all haven't even been trained well on how to think well.

People also don't think fully on many topics - which can lead to more different conclusions than there should be. It's one reason why Edward de Bono created his 6 Thinking Hats method - so people can have a framework to help think things through more fully, and help bring in logic and emotional thought when it more seems the right times to do so, instead of them misdirecting and dominating thinking so much.

In a nutshell, most all of us are not as great at thinking as we think we are, or could be. Maybe some 'good' AI will be able to help with that, as well.

All very good points,

The way that I look at this is that if you use your intelligence to save this planet by undoing all the damage that already has been done to the environment and if you help free humanity from poverty, inequality, hunger, disease, illiteracy, delinquency, addiction, abuse, torture, and war (just to name a few) then you are using the power of your brain in the right way. IMO
 
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All very good points,

The way that I look at this is that if you use your intelligence to save this planet by undoing all the damage that already has been done to the environment and if you help free humanity from poverty, inequality, hunger, disease, illiteracy, delinquency, addiction, abuse, torture, and war (just to name a few) then you are using the power of your brain in the right way. IMO

I think it starts with education. People need to be educated how to live, how to cope, how to empathize and how to have a real hope. There are many highly intelligent people out there with emotional and/or psychological issues, that have the inability to feel the pain of others, to understand how their actions and words may affect others and in the end affect everyone and themselves because we are all connected. IMO, intelligence is not enough.
 
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I think it starts with education. People need to be educated how to live, how to cope, how to empathize and how to have a real hope. There are many highly intelligent people out there with emotional and/or psychological issues, that have the inability to feel the pain of others, to understand how their actions and words may affect others and in the end affect everyone and themselves because we are all connected. IMO, intelligence is not enough.

That's why we need logic and compassion to guide our intelligence, remember those who are using bombs and missiles to kill so many innocent people around the World are very intelligent people.
 
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That's why we need logic and compassion to guide our intelligence, remember those who are using bombs and missiles to kill so many innocent people around the World are very intelligent people.

Agreed. Those that build and sell weapons as well. IMO, intelligence should also be governed by wisdom and discernment in order to be of real value.
 
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Anybody want to comment why MD closed his account?

I asked myself the same thing some days ago. He mentioned he was kinda busy with some new business ventures, not actively selling domains atm. so that's probably it.

I just read up on a lot of content in this thread. Good read. Food for the mind and soul. Keep it going :)
 
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People need to be educated how to live, how to cope, how to empathize and how to have a real hope.

On "how to have a real hope", I'm thinking Rob's focus on empowering people is the best way I know of. So far. It's also a reason I like such as Edward de Bono's thinking tools - they're a real way of empowering people, that doesn't need any real formal education to be able to use them.
 
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On "how to have a real hope", I'm thinking Rob's focus on empowering people is the best way I know of. So far. It's also a reason I like such as Edward de Bono's thinking tools - they're a real way of empowering people, that doesn't need any real formal education to be able to use them.

Thanks @Cal2. For those who don't know what that is about, it is being discussed here:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/domain-microfinance-program.1154715/

Digital Empowerment is a big opportunity to make impact. The scope of what is possible is mind-boggling, but we can all just chip away and do our part.

We are starting to add some team members in emerging economies. @franka46 is helping me with screening candidates. I appreciate him very much, and not just because he is an old Dutchman!
 
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The CEO of a major domain registrar takes the time out of his busy days to come to NamePros and do things like offer major discounts on registrations and renewals, buys domain names for EPIK projects from NamePros members, delivers personalized customer service to current EPIK customers, discusses current EPIK projects and future EPIK projects all designed to help domain investors, answers questions and accusations from any and all trolls, some of whom are competitors, at a thread called, "What's going on with EPIK and Rob Monster"and then complain about him, call him names, mock him and criticize him!
How about if you guys go back to the Everyone Welcome's Thread and The Political Thread and spread your hate and propaganda if you don't like what's being discussed here! Thanks!

I have seen very few of the discounts, offers, personalized customer service on this thread and they probably don't belong here anyway. I'm glad that he offers these things everywhere - it's good use of a forum. I'm sure many people here on Namepros post in threads that are relevant and provide things like names for sale, offers for names, and discussions on the latest industry news. This is, after all, a professional forum.

I've seen some mention of future EPIK projects and those belong here - TrustPilot was one [Correction: it is TrustRatings] .. some other domain service another. The idea that these are "designed to help domain investors" is debatable and I view many of them as deluded pipe dreams but they are attempts to make a market move and the domain industry is full of people willing to jump into bed and follow the pied piper with the cheapest domains and the cheapest platforms. It's a bottom line business and people in this industry suffer from fairly low ethical barriers. There are historical lapses in judgment, missed markets, and failures in the Epik back-catalog. It's not unique to them but some of the fan boys for $5 registrations will always let it slide. The main starting topic for this thread - the tweets, the moral character of the CEO of a company is relevant but this thread has meandered on.

Epik is missing an opportunity to actually provide information on products because it's lost in a morass of drivel. Not my loss. It's still more evidence that domainers will jump on whatever cheap registrar comes along regardless of ...well anything.

There is espousing of ideas and a confused defense of free speech. I don't know why people feel the need to defend statements from CEO Rob Monster by thinking that Christianity is directly equatable with "love" and "forgiveness". The righteous believe they are fair, believe they are a positive influence etc.etc. but when you have sold and bought into your own conviction you are preaching a fundamentalist view no matter how you slice it. Every other perspective becomes seemingly radical. You're well within your rights to defend your view and speak your piece;however, it's a very dangerous path when intolerance is allowed to pass because of a misunderstanding of intent. When you close your eyes it's very easy not to see anything wrong. It's also convenient to let things happen. It's the Capitalist/Libertarian way - whatever the fuck is good for me is good for me...I'm sure God will take care of those he wants to take care of.

As is often the case, the best posts in this thread belong to John Berryhill who I sometimes feel is slumming in here for the pure enjoyment of seeing how the masses are so easily swayed:

Slave owners in the United States used to like Africans so much they bought them, but that doesn't really prove much either.

I would recommend people read his posts in most threads as he doesn't mince words and he's very good with them.

But most of that above is irrelevant but it's been a while since I wrote a long post that no one reads so I'll leave it.

Everyone Welcome's Thread and The Political Thread and spread your hate and propaganda

Please find an example where I spread hate or propaganda. You can tell me you hate my post. You can tell me you don't like what I wrote. You lose me and a lot of your argument when you accuse me of something I don't do. I haven't been in the Political Thread for a long long time and my time in there was mostly trying to stamp out some of the rampant racism that existed.

When I was in the Everyone's Welcome Thread I have reported multiple posts that crossed the line - sometimes the mods refused and sometimes they agreed and sometimes I caught slack for reporting people (some people kick and scream when videos of a soldier shooting someone in the head get removed. I feel for the mods here, I really do).

I don't and didn't ever control the content that was over there - I personally found it got extremely sexist and posted less and less as time went on for that reason. Obviously NP moderates content but I do regret being so positive towards "safe for work" pictures of men/women because I didn't realize (stupidly) that this is something that some people obsess over and wouldn't grow out of it. Why grown adult men want to constantly posts semi-naked women all the time is beyond me. Some regular posters also felt the need to spill politics over from other threads which was frustrating.

I would love to know what review and what products Epik provides that have value; however, it seems that it's cheap domains and empty promises for a better future internet.
 
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I have seen very few of the discounts, offers, personalized customer service on this thread and they probably don't belong here anyway. I'm glad that he offers these things everywhere - it's good use of a forum. I'm sure many people here on Namepros post in threads that are relevant and provide things like names for sale, offers for names, and discussions on the latest industry news. This is, after all, a professional forum.

I've seen some mention of future EPIK projects and those belong here - TrustPilot was one.. some other domain service another. The idea that these are "designed to help domain investors" is debatable and I view many of them as deluded pipe dreams but they are attempts to make a market move and the domain industry is full of people willing to jump into bed and follow the pied piper with the cheapest domains and the cheapest platforms. It's a bottom line business and people in this industry suffer from fairly low ethical barriers. There are historical lapses in judgment, missed markets, and failures in the Epik back-catalog. It's not unique to them but some of the fan boys for $5 registrations will always let it slide. The main starting topic for this thread - the tweets, the moral character of the CEO of a company is relevant but this thread has meandered on.

Epik is missing an opportunity to actually provide information on products because it's lost in a morass of drivel. Not my loss. It's still more evidence that domainers will jump on whatever cheap registrar comes along regardless of ...well anything.

There is espousing of ideas and a confused defense of free speech. I don't know why people feel the need to defend statements from CEO Rob Monster by thinking that Christianity is directly equatable with "love" and "forgiveness". The righteous believe they are fair, believe they are a positive influence etc.etc. but when you have sold and bought into your own conviction you are preaching a fundamentalist view no matter how you slice it. Every other perspective becomes seemingly radical. You're well within your rights to defend your view and speak your piece;however, it's a very dangerous path when intolerance is allowed to pass because of a misunderstanding of intent. When you close your eyes it's very easy not to see anything wrong. It's also convenient to let things happen. It's the Capitalist/Libertarian way - whatever the f*ck is good for me is good for me...I'm sure God will take care of those he wants to take care of.

As is often the case, the best posts in this thread belong to John Berryhill who I sometimes feel is slumming in here for the pure enjoyment of seeing how the masses are so easily swayed:



I would recommend people read his posts in most threads as he doesn't mince words and he's very good with them.

But most of that above is irrelevant but it's been a while since I wrote a long post that no one reads so I'll leave it.



Please find an example where I spread hate or propaganda. You can tell me you hate my post. You can tell me you don't like what I wrote. You lose me and a lot of your argument when you accuse me of something I don't do. I haven't been in the Political Thread for a long long time and my time in there was mostly trying to stamp out some of the rampant racism that existed.

When I was in the Everyone's Welcome Thread I have reported multiple posts that crossed the line - sometimes the mods refused and sometimes they agreed and sometimes I caught slack for reporting people (some people kick and scream when videos of a soldier shooting someone in the head get removed. I feel for the mods here, I really do).

I don't and didn't ever control the content that was over there - I personally found it got extremely sexist and posted less and less as time went on for that reason. Obviously NP moderates content but I do regret being so positive towards "safe for work" pictures of men/women because I didn't realize (stupidly) that this is something that some people obsess over and wouldn't grow out of it. Why grown adult men want to constantly posts semi-naked women all the time is beyond me. Some regular posters also felt the need to spill politics over from other threads which was frustrating.

I would love to know what review and what products Epik provides that have value; however, it seems that it's cheap domains and empty promises for a better future internet.


Thanks DU. You sound a tad miffed.

TrustRatings.com was a domain bought here on NamePros, and it is actually not fully live yet, but is in fact a useful tool for anyone who does not want to pay TrustPilot $6000 per year.

As for cheap domains, well, I did not really intend to be that cheap, but I did honor the commitment. I have to be a little sharper next time around when being baited by NP members. :)

I agree John Berryhill is a smart guy. I don't always agree with him, and his biases might differ from mine, but I do think his instincts are good, and usually he does not give bum steers. Others not so much.
 
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I also have had a change of heart on the topic of "hate speech". I used to parrot the party line of "free speech is speech that you hate". I have actually changed my position on that topic slightly.

There is actual hate speech. It is speech that is actually empowered and rooted in actual hate. I have seen it first-hand from all sides. There are ANTIFA people who do it regularly and there are also poop-posting idiots who do it.

This morning I made the rare action of banning 2 sites from Epik from a customer whose content was so outrageously inflammatory that their obvious intent was not to educate, edify or engage but entirely to inflame, provoke and annoy certain minorities.

The free speech hardliners might read this and say that I was being a "cuck", however, I think I am beginning to get a more refined sense for where and how to draw the line, and also when to allow a line-crosser to once again use Epik services.


@Rob Monster

did you change your attitute towards giving every body a forum
no matter what the have to tell the world

in order to protect "free speech" ???

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the founder of 8chan deeply regrets to have founded 8chan in 2016

protected under the cloak of "free speech"
several mass murders have happened meanwhile

and its obvious to him that they have radicalised themselves at 8chan

his intention was to create a completely anonymously operating "free speech" forum


but he created a monster
as he thinks by now



intention is one thing
ideas are one thing
but what happens next?
the outcome might be something completely different

you still host videos of holocaust deniers on epiks servers

https://us.tv/videos/watch/f641bb2e-ec14-46b0-b8fd-aed32ab7fb73

https://us.tv/videos/watch/38aee161-3d0b-409d-947e-2450bcd1cce1

https://us.tv/videos/watch/7d035577-50d3-4068-89fe-0175ec6fa827



german

https://www.golem.de/news/fredrick-brennan-ich-bereue-es-8chan-gegruendet-zu-haben-1910-144475.html

english:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.golem.de/news/fredrick-brennan-ich-bereue-es-8chan-gegruendet-zu-haben-1910-144475.html
 
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@Rob Monster

did you change your attitute towards giving every body a forum
no matter what the have to tell the world

in order to protect "free speech" ???

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the founder of 8chan deeply regrets to have founded 8chan in 2016

protected under the cloak of "free speech"
several mass murders have happened meanwhile

and its obvious to him that they have radicalised themselves at 8chan

his intention was to create a completely anonymously operating "free speech" forum


but he created a monster
as he thinks by now



intention is one thing
ideas are one thing
but what happens next?
the outcome might be something completely different

you still host videos of holocaust deniers on epiks servers

https://us.tv/videos/watch/f641bb2e-ec14-46b0-b8fd-aed32ab7fb73

https://us.tv/videos/watch/38aee161-3d0b-409d-947e-2450bcd1cce1

https://us.tv/videos/watch/7d035577-50d3-4068-89fe-0175ec6fa827



german

https://www.golem.de/news/fredrick-brennan-ich-bereue-es-8chan-gegruendet-zu-haben-1910-144475.html

english:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.golem.de/news/fredrick-brennan-ich-bereue-es-8chan-gegruendet-zu-haben-1910-144475.html

Frank,

For a guy who swears off this thread, you sure do come back a lot. Welcome back.

To answer your question, I don't have a problem with people having alternate analyses of topics whether that be science, history, or whatever.

Where I would have an issue, and where folks are free to report ToS violations is if there is evidence of a hateful call to action, i.e. incitement to violence or illegal action under US law.

As for 8 Chan, due to their inadequate moderation capacity, we did direct them to not host with us.

Where my position has evolved is that I believe that while most speech is indeed lawful, there is indeed speech that is animated by persons who are misanthropic and such speech we may not empower.

The challenge with User-Generated content is to have adequate moderation capacity to review abuse reports as they come in and remove content that violates ToS.
 
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.. I don't have a problem with people having alternate analyses of topics whether that be science, history, or whatever.

Where I would have an issue, and where folks are free to report ToS violations is if there is evidence of a hateful call to action, i.e. incitement to violence or illegal action under US law..

holocaust denial is a several crime in germany
- for a good reason

unlawful content
only relates to US law ?
 
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