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Has anyone used undeveloped.com to sell domains? They claim to be able to increase a domainers sales by 54%.
 
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@Lox I agree that subconscious branding is better sometimes. It depends on the name. I think the problem here is that Dan is just a dude's name and one of the more popular ones. On its own it doesn't instill trust or relate to domains. It sounds random and can give people associations of random Dans they knew or know. If I tell a client- you can buy my domain from Dan.com it sounds like I'm sending them to some dude to buy it, not a marketplace they can trust. If Dan.com becomes established and a household name people who are looking for domains know- then the problem won't exist. But at this point in time it's something nobody knows. So I think adding a tagline under the logo, to make clear what Dan is and why it was named that will only help (preferably with 'Acquisition' replacing 'Automation').
 
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Subconscious (collective);

The real meaning of Dan [English flip for Dominus] is; Lord / Sir / Master of the ... Denarius - Dinar - Dinero - Danero - Denaro (Money, Estate), The word Dan is used even before and after Hellenistic period BCE, "to the god (master) who's in Dan (city)".
 
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@Lox Cool meanings for Dan, but hardly anyone knows that. Probably not even Dans. :) Regardless of the past meanings of Dan, the name is random for a domain marketplace without an acronym. I just can't imagine myself sending people to Dan.com without having to explain that it's a domain marketplace. That's an issue the name Undeveloped didn't have and made up names such as Sedo also don't have. If it was named John.com or Barry.com- I'd say the same. It's a great domain but if it's branded as a domain marketplace, especially in the early stages, it needs to make sense to first time visitors. That's my 2c worth anyway.
 
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should have been:


dan the man can . domain
 
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How is traffic and stats updates going on? Since the launch, my dashboard is not getting updated.
 
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@Reza

another thing that needs devs attention is adding domains that had already been added by previous owners but then sold elsewhere or dropped and never deleted from their Undeveloped/DAN accounts

you buy/reg a name and then you can't add it without contacting support first and then they will do that for you, manually (!) ...
while it keeps showing with some quirky low $xxx BIN which is like 1/50 of what I plan to charge :)

this whole thing is all about owner verification which should be automated by checking Whois email or DNS TXT at the time of adding a name as it's done at Sedo, for example.

letting users add any name without verifying they own it should absolutely not be possible/allowed at any respectable marketplace and will be abused sooner or later


thanks in advance for implementing it
 
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Not sure if anyone posted this or not...

@Reza I enabled "Show Domains" so buyers coming to a lander can see what other names I have however this feature doesn't seem to be working...
 
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Google analytics is a good companion for the period stats are not showing at DAN.
 
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Not sure if anyone posted this or not...

@Reza I enabled "Show Domains" so buyers coming to a lander can see what other names I have however this feature doesn't seem to be working...
It does. But it shows only your top 5 domains by traffic and a 'see more domains' button
 
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It does. But it shows only your top 5 domains by traffic and a 'see more domains' button

Figured it out. Had to change some privacy settings within the account...;)
 
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Would like to have a button to message after the first offer
Definitely agree with this one, as rejecting an offer isn't always taken in a good sense by everyone. Being able to message back and forth before countering would be of much more help. Would be great if this can be worked out @Reza
 
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On a side note, you said in a post here that you had deal with payoneer and will give it as a payout option once the change happens. I dont see the payoneer option and Can we request payment via payoneer same way as payment requests for transferwise?

Hi Wali,

Payoneer payout option coming. Soon. We first had to ship DAN.COM and will pick up other roadmap items now.

Whois 2.0 is not working. I put every domain I have regstered on Undeveloped/DAN and says Domain in is not registered in DAN

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We currently (this will likely change later) only add domains which have had a transaction handled by DAN on the blockchain.

@Reza

Great work on the site. I am an investor in primarily .in domains, the Indian cctld. Their indrp process is quite strict so it is important to show you plan to develop domains. As such, it would be great if undeveloped/dan could offer a landing page which has no mention of sale at all.

i.e. it has a banner which says "this domain may be for sale" and then only has a contact form with some options given to us users for the fields (i.e. prospective buyers need to give name, email, offer etc.

Would this be possible? This is the only thing holding me back from using undeveloped!

Hi Invest3r,

We sell quite some .in domains, pretty high end ones that aren't reported anywhere as well. The notion that changing the title to "The domain may be for sale" is disputed as there are quite some WIPO rulings that indicated that's not enough.

Also, our experiments when we changed the title and content on the landers to "May be for sale" resulted in less conversion (doubt is a conversion killer) and SEO wise poorer indexing of the for sale page for the right keywords.

A list of all domains sold through DAN today, yesterday, forever. Without prices.
I believe there's no need to hide behind an nda if there's no price shown.

At the moment I like it a lot, because there's no prices.
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I think ALL domains sold through DAN should appear publicly on a database, then let each of us check a box if we'd like to make price public.

As a platform, we try to find a balance between what's best for the market while respecting our user's requests. This is a good example of that. We've been asked by sellers to remove that section entirely while others would like to see us share more data there. We'll keep our eyes and ears open for feedback and gradually implemented updates and test different elements on the homepage.

If implemented through other registrars like if they give you some access (I have no idea what I am talking about), could DAN for example take a domain registered at Dynadot and move it to Namesilo instantly without having to wait for 2 weeks transfer.
Or is it some ICANN rule that cannot change?

That's what we're aiming for indeed. Most of the transfer locks are policy based, if registrars agree to lift those under specific circumstanced (a sale transaction for example) better processes can be accomplished.

No stats are showing????? no views???

This is fixed now, our workers were a bit "overworked" :).
 
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Regarding the new brand:

DAN.COM or Dan.com is quite unique. It has multiple meanings for us as it stands for the Domain Automation Network, the word Domain is in it and it represents one of the most known human names in the world.

As we focus on process automation, the service might feel too automated at some point for users and so the brand can help keep the service human and personal. Besides that, DAN.COM is also a significantly stronger and international brand for us to operate from compared to Undeveloped which non-native English speakers would often pronounce as Underdeveloped... ;)

The brand DAN or Dan, instantly introduces a feeling of familiarity which is essential when you're building trust. I agree that a tag line would clarify a lot, especially on parking.

Do note that the full brand we chose to use is DAN DOT COM (Three letters, Three words). Word of mouth is still king in terms of allowing a name to become a household brand. Using the full name leaves no room for confusion and so benefits the entire market. The more buyers become repetitive DAN.COM buyers, the more valuable the network becomes and the more sales we'll attract for our sellers.

We're playing a long-term game here with the new brand. The new logo is designed to be a stamp of approval. When you see the mark, you know you're in good hands.

As the product and brand evolve, you'll communicate more and more with Dan. That's the power of this unique brand.
 
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@Reza

another thing that needs devs attention is adding domains that had already been added by previous owners but then sold elsewhere or dropped and never deleted from their Undeveloped/DAN accounts

you buy/reg a name and then you can't add it without contacting support first and then they will do that for you, manually (!) ...
while it keeps showing with some quirky low $xxx BIN which is like 1/50 of what I plan to charge :)

this whole thing is all about owner verification which should be automated by checking Whois email or DNS TXT at the time of adding a name as it's done at Sedo, for example.

letting users add any name without verifying they own it should absolutely not be possible/allowed at any respectable marketplace and will be abused sooner or later


thanks in advance for implementing it

Hi,

We have a solution in mind to solve that issue but haven't gotten to it yet. We're working on it!

Definitely agree with this one, as rejecting an offer isn't always taken in a good sense by everyone. Being able to message back and forth before countering would be of much more help. Would be great if this can be worked out @Reza

Hi Nikhil,

We've received this request more often, however, our system is designed in such a way that if the "numbers negotiation" isn't done via the system that the system becomes too error-prone resulting in friction and canceled transactions.

What a lot of sellers will do is to respond to the counteroffer via text, and then the negotiations will continue not via the system marking down the submitted offers and counteroffers.

When then one of the two parties accepts to initiate the transfer, the transaction is initiated at the wrong price. This happened daily when we allowed messages to be sent before action is submitted and recorded via the system.

What I always advice is to not reject the initial offer, but to simply counter it and then send a message.

Kind regards,

Reza
 
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Regarding the new brand:

DAN.COM or Dan.com is quite unique. It has multiple meanings for us as it stands for the Domain Automation Network, the word Domain is in it and it represents one of the most known human names in the world.

As we focus on process automation, the service might feel too automated at some point for users and so the brand can help keep the service human and personal. Besides that, DAN.COM is also a significantly stronger and international brand for us to operate from compared to Undeveloped which non-native English speakers would often pronounce as Underdeveloped... ;)

The brand DAN or Dan, instantly introduces a feeling of familiarity which is essential when you're building trust. I agree that a tag line would clarify a lot, especially on parking.

Do note that the full brand we chose to use is DAN DOT COM (Three letters, Three words). Word of mouth is still king in terms of allowing a name to become a household brand. Using the full name leaves no room for confusion and so benefits the entire market. The more buyers become repetitive DAN.COM buyers, the more valuable the network becomes and the more sales we'll attract for our sellers.

We're playing a long-term game here with the new brand. The new logo is designed to be a stamp of approval. When you see the mark, you know you're in good hands.

As the product and brand evolve, you'll communicate more and more with Dan. That's the power of this unique brand.
Agree with everything except the last part about using extension .COM as a brand, I feel it needs to be DAN and not DAN.COM

On a side note on my profile dashboard the names still show as 700 something where as I have less names, could you look into it?

Also as far showing sales and names added to DAN are concerned, the choice should stay with us sellers whether we want to disclose and what we want to disclose.

All in all, very happy with changes.
 
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Few things i highly miss on DAN.com

-Domain results per page, i need to choice everytime "250" to see most of my domain names, it's not saves automatically, so it's annoying each time you need to choice "250" again and again.
-Will be great to have option to see "All" domains or at least 500 or 1000, not just 250.
-Option to add domain prices when adding them, as when you adding domains you are not able to set their prices at the beginning, you need manually to add price for each domain name and this is annoying as well.
-Option to set automatically all domain names with 1st letter uppercase.
 
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Just noticed today

-The Last 2 names I add today to my portfolio with landers and set DNS to the usual undeveloped ....The landers show as "Not Secure " when visited ?

Is this something on my end of Dan?

Thanks
 
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Just noticed today

-The Last 2 names I add today to my portfolio with landers and set DNS to the usual undeveloped ....The landers show as "Not Secure " when visited ?

Is this something on my end of Dan?

Thanks

it takes a little while to get https on new additions, dont worry
 
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Still slow with co.uk sales the process isn't any faster.
 
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On a side note on my profile dashboard the names still show as 700 something where as I have less names, could you look into it?
I was checking my names today and saw I have 597 for sale.

Okay, I may be wrong, but for the past few days I am pretty sure it was 598. It's been in my head because every time I go to the dashboard I keep seeing the same numbers since last week. All other numbers are the same, but maybe not this one.

Its only landers, so there is no risk of actually losing a domain name, but I cannot get over the 597 thing.

No matter where I poke around, I dont see signs of a sale or something "in play". But the fact stats are updating weird and things like sort order or max number of items listed doesn't "stick", this 597 thing bugs me.

Anybody see this yet ? It's not a big issue even if it is real, but I cant find anywhere I deleted a name nor a name sold or in progress of something.

Please "Dan" fix all the broken stuff before you go after bigger goals. I may be totally wrong about the 597 thing, but its been days since we had proper stats or settings sticking like they should.
 
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Hi Wali,

Payoneer payout option coming. Soon. We first had to ship DAN.COM and will pick up other roadmap items now.



We currently (this will likely change later) only add domains which have had a transaction handled by DAN on the blockchain.



Hi Invest3r,

We sell quite some .in domains, pretty high end ones that aren't reported anywhere as well. The notion that changing the title to "The domain may be for sale" is disputed as there are quite some WIPO rulings that indicated that's not enough.

Also, our experiments when we changed the title and content on the landers to "May be for sale" resulted in less conversion (doubt is a conversion killer) and SEO wise poorer indexing of the for sale page for the right keywords.



As a platform, we try to find a balance between what's best for the market while respecting our user's requests. This is a good example of that. We've been asked by sellers to remove that section entirely while others would like to see us share more data there. We'll keep our eyes and ears open for feedback and gradually implemented updates and test different elements on the homepage.



That's what we're aiming for indeed. Most of the transfer locks are policy based, if registrars agree to lift those under specific circumstanced (a sale transaction for example) better processes can be accomplished.



This is fixed now, our workers were a bit "overworked" :).

thanks for the reply Reza
 
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The good news is the blockchain integration but the other 'details' we've been asking for and/or wanting improved are back burner issues for a while I assume.

I'm a little disappointed but I'm still hopeful...maybe wait a week or two to see what happens. Just a couple little issues I've noticed are below.

1. Now visits are updating again but still stuck with the '25 per page' view.

2. It is important for my domain name to be significantly larger than 'the domain is for sale' line(s). Maybe keep that little area to the left but maybe put the domain at the top and center of the page.

3. For me there is too much white space between the 'this domain is for sale' area and the 'buy domain' box. Having seen others landing pages, the answer for this seems to be adding a background image to 'take up' the space.

Loading speed on different devices is a little slow...but it looks and ranks better than many other marketplaces. Below is why it only scored a 1 out of 5 on one device check when I had it check a parked page of a domain:

"More than 6 distinct domains should not be referenced by one page as each imparts a direct speed penalty."

Unique domain count reached...7 total.

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cdn0.dan.com
cdn3.dan.com
www.google.com
cdn1.dan.com
widget.trustpilot.com
cdn2.dan.com
 
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I've sold a hand reg .info for $250.00 on Undeveloped.
Went smoothly, i got paid and other guy got the domain. No issues :)
 
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