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Generally, there is a big difference between long-term investments and short-term holdings. What is your personal approach? Are in in for long-term with your domain names (10-20 years+) or you just want to buy and sell in very short period of time?

Personally, I think long term investment is much more profitable, over longer period of time. Those who flips their domain names (or doing quick flips of real estate, stocks, etc) are usually ending without money and being POOR (general rule with tons of exceptions, of course). They do not let their best assets to appreciate over time, by simply not allowing enough time for their holdings.

I believe in following : to be financially happy in future:
buy good names, trust your names, and do not be so quick to sell
:)

Your opinion?

PS: and keep your renewals low...
 
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It depends on the names. My general strategy is to give everything I believe to be a great name at least 2 years before making a decision. These are names in my general portfolio. Since I also deal heavily in brandables,constant reassessment is needed. I flip in this area as needed. Usually assess those every 6 months to a year.

Then I have a portion of names that are in a long hold because they are future names or I won’t sell for less than what I believe they are worth. I doubt many have one single strategy for their entire portfolio.
 
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I think a lot of people who don't make any sales like to tell themselves that they're investing for the long term.
 
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I'll sell when I get the price I want. I don't mind being patient with a name.
 
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I am willing to sell a domain on whatever time scale makes sense.
Normally though it is long term, as a quality domain + time is the typical formula to maximize value.

However, you need a proof of concept.

If you own a lot of domains and are not getting steady inquires and offers you are likely just collecting liabilities not assets. If that is the case then long term it will just expedite your losses.

Brad
 
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I think a lot of people who don't make any sales like to tell themselves that they're investing for the long term.

I agree. It is very easy to kick the can down the road and expect things to change over time.
In reality if you are having success in the short term, it is more likely you will in the longer term as well.

Brad
 
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I am a short term investor, but once I get a job or business that earn me monthly or weekly (guaranteed) only then I will swift fully to long term investment. For now I do semi long term
 
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Flipping is rushing a sale. Rushing a sale is speculating that $200 now is better than an eventual solid offer down the line. It can be a strategy, but not for me. I believe that domains are crucial business assets and that selling under 2k is a disservice to yourself if you are serious about making it longterm. Don't acquire names that you don't see selling under 2k is my advice.
 
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I think a lot of people who don't make any sales like to tell themselves that they're investing for the long term.

If you're getting offers, and turning them down, hoping for more later - that is something, but yes, I agree if no offers coming in that doesn't necessarily mean that more offers will come in on down the line.
 
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I agree. It is very easy to kick the can down the road and expect things to change over time.
In reality if you are having success in the short term, it is more likely you will in the longer term as well.

Brad

F. Schilling once said that he thinks of it as a conveyor belt. Eventually a fraction of your names and a fraction of the inquirees for them will start dropping off that belt. Trick is to be there unfazed and undesperate when that happens, IMO. Everything else is a stepping stone.
 
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I used to flip a lot, but not anymore.

I see my names as long-term (or semi long-term) investments.

I totally agree with this. Flipping is generally very demanding and profits are low. Exceptions are there, of course.

When I started with my niche (new gTLDs), I admit that was happy to get, what Brad @bmugford is calling "proof of concept" in his above post, and to prove myself my investments are not what @Joe Nichols describes above, naturally, as everything was new, and I was listening too much to other people and thought they know something. I sold great name for 1k, and I was happy. I sold a name for 5k and I was happy. Now I think I was pretty stupid to sell. I was quickly loosing my best names, and was not able to replace them cost-effectively. This is changing now, dramatically. Just few weeks ago I made a decision to delist all my names from venues like SEDO and Afternic, as actually I had lot of various interactions, but what I felt mostly offers coming from another domain investors. And I was not able to figure out who is the end user, really. I find it much better for me to sell directly, using platforms like Linkedin (now more then 10k connections) and have much more control over negotiations, as I know exactly who is the end user.

Personally, I am not interested to sell my best names to another domain investors (except those I plan to drop anyway), flip then quickly, just to have plenty of small sales. It is a fact, that if you have set of domain names, other people will try to get from you your best names FIRST (naturally). So you will have some sales (maybe plenty), and others will pat you on the back, but on the same time, you will loose your best inventory very quickly and your total income will be poor.

So long-term investment is the way to go, imo. Hold your best names, reject the offers. When you are in long-term, you will not maybe get instant gratification, but ask yourself : what will pay your bills when you will be retiring - opinions of others? :)
 
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I usually sell a domain in a month time from the moment I buy it, with 200-300% ROI. (average sales are around $2.5K). If I keep it 3+ months I find that investment a wrong one even though I know I will sell it at the end.
I was selling one domain for a year and a half and in my mind that was not a good investment. (I think I paid around $500 for it and sold it at $1500).

I am happy with fast sales, money needs to flow.
That is amazing, but must probably require very intensive effort :)
 
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Generally, there is a big difference between long-term investments and short-term holdings. What is your personal approach? Are in in for long-term with your domain names (10-20 years+) or you just want to buy and sell in very short period of time?

Personally, I think long term investment is much more profitable, over longer period of time. Those who flips their domain names (or doing quick flips of real estate, stocks, etc) are usually ending without money and being POOR (general rule with tons of exceptions, of course). They do not let their best assets to appreciate over time, by simply not allowing enough time for their holdings.

I believe in following : to be financially happy in future:
buy good names, trust your names, and do not be so quick to sell
:)

Your opinion?

PS: and keep your renewals low...
 
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I'm only new at this but I've bought a couple domains to try. I've sold one so far but still learning about profiting from domains. I've got domains but use them mostly for link purposes more than anything. I'm trying to understand some of the best domains that you can think of that have commercial viability plus two phrase domains and so on. My intention however, is to buy for both really, but the long term ones have good returns.
 
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Personally, I like passive sales. I like offers. It's awesome to get offers.

I dont really purposely hold domains. If I need capital, I hold auctions on the major platforms and sell some.

I'm always wanting offers. I would sell any domain at any time if the numbers work for me.

I think if one or the other, I am not a "flipper". I sell when I need to, otherwise I put my domains out there for offers.
 
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This how we call long-term investment -- -- > 9 -10 years .. :xf.cool:

z.company --- -- > 2029 .
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f.company --- -- > 2028 .
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h.company --- -- > 2028 .
y.company --- -- > 2028 .

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m.company --- -- > 2028 .
o.company --- -- > 2028 .
q.company --- -- > 2028 .
v.company --- -- > 2028 .
etc.....

Sure i'm with long-term ;)
 
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z.company --- -- > 2029 .
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f.company --- -- > 2028 .
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y.company --- -- > 2028 .
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o.company --- -- > 2028 .
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I, personally, don't see this domains in 2028 sales chart. Investing is something you can know, but I think it's too far investment.
 
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I, personally, don't see this domains in 2028 sales chart. Investing is something you can know, but I think it's too far investment.



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This how we call long-term investment -- -- > 9 -10 years .. :xf.cool:

z.company --- -- > 2029 .
s.company --- -- > 2029 .
f.company --- -- > 2028 .
b.company --- -- > 2028 .
h.company --- -- > 2028 .
y.company --- -- > 2028 .

y.company --- -- > 2028 .
w.company --- -- > 2028 .
m.company --- -- > 2028 .
o.company --- -- > 2028 .
q.company --- -- > 2028 .
v.company --- -- > 2028 .
etc.....

Sure i'm with long-term ;)

This really provides nothing relevant to the conversation. It is just thread spamming your list of domains.

Brad
 
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I'm always wanting offers. I would sell any domain at any time if the numbers work for me.
^^^ This summarizes it for me as well.

While the analogies to real estate and financial investments are helpful, I think neither is a perfect comparison. I view domains as more like a product, something that has value and utility and that the goal is to have it noticed by someone who can use it effectively. While there are times that utility may take awhile to develop (like if you have a name in the leading edge of a new technology), I do not favour deliberately holding them to get a tiny bit more value. By the same token you should not sell a domain that you feel highly confident has great value to the first person offering anything for it.

You always need to weigh the price with the probability. Just because a domain might sell for $2000 does not mean that it is unwise to sell it for $1400 because turning that down may mean it will not sell for many years, or never.

That is why wholesale prices need to be much below retails, because the buyer is taking some risk it will never sell, and that must be considered in the price he/she will pay.

Bob
 
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I like to buy now and think later! So selling is always priority number 2..

Just buy until you have no more money and you'll end up with priority 2.. which is selling.

Priority 2 is now Priority 1..

Probably doesn't make sense but it's logical!
 
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This how we call long-term investment -- -- > 9 -10 years .. :xf.cool:

z.company --- -- > 2029 .
s.company --- -- > 2029 .
f.company --- -- > 2028 .
b.company --- -- > 2028 .
h.company --- -- > 2028 .
y.company --- -- > 2028 .

y.company --- -- > 2028 .
w.company --- -- > 2028 .
m.company --- -- > 2028 .
o.company --- -- > 2028 .
q.company --- -- > 2028 .
v.company --- -- > 2028 .
etc.....

Sure i'm with long-term ;)

The only millions you'll be doing is bumping those threads a million times....
 
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The only millions you'll be doing is bumping those threads a million times....

Lol, I'm not sure what the renewal is for these domains but it might work out. If I'm correct he sold one recently for a couple of K which might pay for some renewals.

I doubt he's gonna fetch millions ever but if decent money keeps coming in there's a big chance he'll make a profit or break even. It's a gamble but if you look at the numbers it's one you could make without too much of a risk.
 
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I believe both are needed.

Flipping successfully will help to maintain liquidity and also fund renewals etc. It equally helps to keep your hope alive.

However, I try to determine what am willing to sale each domain. If a buyer comes early for ones I see as long term investment at that price good.

Adjustments in pricing is equally important with more information and development.
 
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As with any investment, it also depends on what you are holding. Crap wine ages to still be crap wine. Only very fine wines benefit from aging. Same with domains.

Talking about good domains, it can be hard to figure what will be considered good names in the distant future.

My strategy is to ensure consistent sales and reduce my yearly renewals to the barest minimum while making profit.
 
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