What's going on with Epik and Rob Monster?

[MapleDots]

I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

 

[Derek Peterson]

I understand what the term nazi implies and I used it as such. Yes, you obviously are not a gab user. Try going there and posting the term "judeo-christian" and see how that works out. LOL. You have no idea dude...

Anyway, back to the topic. I'm still curious why bitmitigate is using a 5 year old graph from BuyVM's DDoS service in their marketing materials. Any ideas what the deal is here??? Are those numbers suppose to mean something or just a pretty picture?

 

[NameLlama]

OMG hitler and the nazis were not socialists
Stop with that lie pleae

 

[Derek Peterson]

I'm gong to start a new thread where we can focus on bitmitigate and get away from all this nazi talk.

 

[Rob Monster]

I am not a Gab user, never been. Although, my understanding is that Gabs demographics are mostly politically right leaning and Judeo-Christian. I have a hard time understanding how you can call that "Nazi."

Nazism is politically socialist, more authoritarian, exactly opposite of right leaning, or conservative views which are more capitalistic and democratic.

Nazism is also racist and most all Judeo-Christians are not racist due to core beliefs.

When you use the term "Nazi" you should understand what it is you are referring to, in all fairness.

Agreed here.

Also, for the record, I have no financial or administrative interest in Gab, neither directly or indirectly, and I doubt I ever will. I took the controversial decision to be their registrar when Godaddy fired them.

I was briefly active at Gab as a user after major media outlets went after me for that decision. Once the Founder of Gab added capable counsel, I have had essentially zero contact with him.

As for the user count topic, this is a constant theme. Gab's latest project Dissenter.com is growing like a weed as well and once again, we have the user count nonsense.

This time the reason why the user count issue came up is because the CEO of the Brave browser missed the opportunity to help Gab, and now ends up with seeding a viable competitor.

As for Gab's content, there is still cringeworthy content there. No question. Gab continues to exist because Facebook and Twitter went too far with their heavy-handed biased censorship.

And while I am not a stakeholder in Gab, I do believe Gab is doing a lot with a little, and I would certainly not suggest that anyone should bet against them. They are nimble, resourceful and resilient.

 

[Internet.Domains]

OMG hitler and the nazis were not socialists
Stop with that lie pleae
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To be historically correct they were tyrannical. One step left of socialism. Yet very far from conservatism.

 

[Derek Peterson]

I have moved my questions about bitmitigate here, away from all the nazi talk. Would really like to hear some actual, specific answers about these questions.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/is-epik-coms-bitmitigate-for-real.1133231/

 

[Internet.Domains]

I have moved my questions about bitmitigate here, away from all the nazi talk. Would really like to hear some actual, specific answers about these questions.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/is-epik-coms-bitmitigate-for-real.1133231/

Weird, you started the nazi talk, but I don't blame you for shifting since you enormously mischaracterized it.

 

[Derek Peterson]

Dude. You said yourself you have never been to gab. I have. I'm a fundamentalist, very conservative Christian. They are real live nazis. Go look if you don't believe me. LOL.

 

[Rob Monster]

Weird, you started the nazi talk, but I don't blame you for shifting since you enormously mischaracterized it.

To be fair to Derek, even though he is a Gab-obsessed troll, he is a bit of a Bible scholar. Derek once recommended Lester Roloff to me, who back in his day was up against a fairly determined foe:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils in Government/Communism/roloff_homes.htm

Persecution of Christians has been going on for 2000 years. Every once in a while it rears its head in different forms. And sometimes there is even friendly fire between self-declared Christians.

So, as much as I think Derek is weirdly obsessed with Gab, and wrongly thinks I am involved in some strategic way, I am sure there is some good in there in spite of the OCD.

 

[NameLlama]

To be historically correct they were tyrannical. One step left of socialism. Yet very far from conservatism.

Fascism is not left wing

 

[Internet.Domains]

Fascism is not left wing

Yes, pro-socialist college professor's would like you to believe that. I apologize, but you have been misled, as has many.

 

[NameLlama]

Go read a book dude
Or explain how fascism is left wing, which should be pretty funny

 

[Derek Peterson]

To be fair to Derek, even though he is a Gab-obsessed troll, he is a bit of a Bible scholar. Derek once recommended Lester Roloff to me, who back in his day was up against a fairly determined foe:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils in Government/Communism/roloff_homes.htm

Persecution of Christians has been going on for 2000 years. Every once in a while it rears its head in different forms. And sometimes there is even friendly fire between self-declared Christians.

So, as much as I think Derek is weirdly obsessed with Gab, and wrongly thinks I am involved in some strategic way, I am sure there is some good in there in spite of the OCD.

Thanks Rob I feel the same way and I try very hard to bite my tongue when it comes to you but you just keep pushing things in the wrong direction and leave me no choice.

It is not about gab. gab is a joke with literally 2k active daily users. Minds has 3 or 4 times that and is running almost the same sort of grift but they are just stoner kids playing internet entrepreneurs with daddy's money, NOT using Christianity and conservatism as part of their grift. If Torba and his family never tried to grift off of the name of Christ I would probably have never said a word except to make fun of them, like I do the minds kids. (BTW - mewe is only player/threat in that space)

I'm very tired to witches, occultists and luciferians, like the torba family, cernovich, crowder, alex jones, et al - literally every conservative talking head, redefining Christianity. That is the fight I'm in dude. Don't be on the wrong side, brother. I can be a real OCD jerk.

 

[Rob Monster]

Thanks Rob I feel the same way and I try very hard to bite my tongue when it comes to you but you just keep pushing things in the wrong direction and leave me no choice.

It is not about gab. gab is a joke with literally 2k active daily users. Minds has 3 or 4 times that and is running almost the same sort of grift but they are just stoner kids playing internet entrepreneurs with daddy's money, NOT using Christianity and conservatism as part of their grift. If Torba and his family never tried to grift off of the name of Christ I would probably have never said a word except to make fun of them, like I do the minds kids. (BTW - mewe is only player/threat in that space)

I'm very tired to witches, occultists and luciferians, like the torba family, cernovich, crowder, alex jones, et al - literally every conservative talking head, redefining Christianity. That is the fight I'm in dude. Don't be on the wrong side, brother. I can be a real OCD jerk.

As for Christianity, if Torba is faking it, as you seem to imply, he will give an account. Like I said, I rarely talk to him. Ironically the last time I talked to him was when I told him I was not a fan of the Jesuits. As you are likely aware, the Nazis took plenty of direction from Rome. It is all well documented, even on Wikipedia.

The point though is not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. There are sites that allow free speech, and those sites have misinfo and disinfo but they also drop gems that is often hard to find elsewhere. Also, I think Dissenter will be bigger than Gab. The fact is that Gab has too much baggage at this point.

As for the user count, I am sure your numbers are low. Gab users extensively rely on VPNs, including one from Epik, so there is no way the user counts will be visible through any conventional tracking metrics. Gab users are some of the stealthiest users on the Internet.

 

[Internet.Domains]

Go read a book dude
Or explain how fascism is left wing, which should be pretty funny

The term has been tossed back and forth like a hot potato. One point of view, is that the fastest way to fascism is going left on the political spectrum. Start with socialism and continue left.

In modern times, those that promote socialism have promoted the idea that fascism is on the right of the political spectrum to justify socialism as acceptable.

There is no right or wrong at this point in time as the definition has changed. The definition is an opinion and since this thread is opinion based, I thought I would offer mine.

 

[Derek Peterson]

As for Christianity, if Torba is faking it, as you seem to imply, he will give an account. Like I said, I rarely talk to him. Ironically the last time I talked to him was when I told him I was not a fan of the Jesuits. As you are likely aware, the Nazis took plenty of direction from Rome. It is all well documented, even on Wikipedia.

The point though is not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. There are sites that allow free speech, and those sites have misinfo and disinfo but they also drop gems that is often hard to find elsewhere. Also, I think Dissenter will be bigger than Gab. The fact is that Gab has too much baggage at this point.

As for the user count, I am sure your numbers are low. Gab users extensively rely on VPNs, including one from Epik, so there is no way the user counts will be visible through any conventional tracking metrics. Gab users are some of the stealthiest users on the Internet.

As for Christianity, if Torba is faking it, as you seem to imply, he will give an account. Like I said, I rarely talk to him. Ironically the last time I talked to him was when I told him I was not a fan of the Jesuits. As you are likely aware, the Nazis took plenty of direction from Rome. It is all well documented, even on Wikipedia.

The point though is not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. There are sites that allow free speech, and those sites have misinfo and disinfo but they also drop gems that is often hard to find elsewhere. Also, I think Dissenter will be bigger than Gab. The fact is that Gab has too much baggage at this point.

As for the user count, I am sure your numbers are low. Gab users extensively rely on VPNs, including one from Epik, so there is no way the user counts will be visible through any conventional tracking metrics. Gab users are some of the stealthiest users on the Internet.

It has been documented by many that Gab has about 19,000 unique users posting per month, that includes bots which was figured to be close to 80% of posts based on post usage. Also, Gab pays about $1,000/month for hosting all in, according to them and their own hosting company. Gab is written in PHP/MySQL from a $90 script, very hardware intensive, and has no clue of how to use redis properly. They have never been able to handle more than about 2,000 concurrent users in the history of gab. These are just facts. But in any case I'm not arguing about 1,000s of users I'm calling out the claims of hundreds of thousands of users. Gab claims to have 800,000 USERS. He is intentionally misleading people into thinking those are active users and not just bots registering fake accounts. He could easily publish his analytics and show how many unique users logged into gab in the last 30 days. None of this has anything to do with VPN usage or stealthy users.

Agreed, gab is a great domain name but would be very hard to run any business with it, especially with torba in the picture. Dissenter is DOA - 15 year old idea that failed many times. Commenting is too distributed unless you have billions, and gab has less than a thousand on it, maybe only hundreds, but it doesn't matter, it's meant to fail so he play victim and grift off of it since the gab goose isn't laying any more golden eggs.

I have no idea if torba is a jesuit or just a grifter but I know he and his family promote the occult and withcraft while claiming to be Christians and have stolen millions from mostly good people and built nothing of any consequence.

I really am tired of all the "christians" teaching luciferian and occultic things. Wanna hear something super weird? Check out this 10 minute clip from Alex Jones - Christian or Luciferian?

1:39:14
1:49:42

 

[NameLlama]

The term has been tossed back and forth like a hot potato. One point of view, is that the fastest way to fascism is going left on the political spectrum. Start with socialism and continue left.

In modern times, those that promote socialism have promoted the idea that fascism is on the right of the political spectrum to justify socialism as acceptable.

There is no right or wrong at this point in time as the definition has changed. The definition is an opinion and since this thread is opinion based, I thought I would offer mine.

All you did waa repeat yourself?
That if you go left from socialism, you get fascism
Why do you believe that


Mussolini perceived women's primary role as primarily child bearers and men, warriors—once saying: "War is to man what maternity is to the woman".[234] In an effort to increase birthrates, the Italian Fascist government gave financial incentives to women who raised large families and initiated policies intended to reduce the number of women employed.[235]

The German Nazi government strongly encouraged women to stay at home to bear children and keep house.[238]

The Nazis said that homosexuality was degenerate, effeminate, perverted and undermined masculinity because it did not produce children.[246] They considered homosexuality curable through therapy, citing modern scientism and the study of sexology, which said that homosexuality could be felt by "normal" people and not just an abnormal minority.[247] Open homosexuals were interned in Nazi concentration camps.[248]


It's extreme right wing , silly

 

[NameLlama]

-nah pointless po st-

 

[Derek Peterson]

You guys are still talking about nazis over here? I suggest you go on over to gab and ask the experts.

 

[.X.]

This thread goes from one extreme to another with unfounded allegations of monkey shit therories against Rob Monster.

Nothing founded with any proof what so ever, yet the fucking shit continues with same allegations over - over and over. day after day. week after week with nothing of substance.

What a fucking cesspool of shit.

 

[Rob Monster]

This thread goes from one extreme to another with unfounded allegations of monkey sh*t therories against Rob Monster.

Nothing founded with any proof what so ever, yet the f*cking sh*t continues with same allegations over - over and over. day after day. week after week with nothing of substance.

What a f*cking cesspool of sh*t.

The comment about BitMitigate.com turns out to be a nothing-burger. The conversation migrated to its own thread:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/is-epik-coms-bitmitigate-for-real.1133231

Derek actually recanted his allegation once he realized that the case study he was referring to was about Nick Lim's former company, a very large Minecraft host. So, all clarified there and mystery solved.

For the record, Epik Holdings, Inc does 100% own BitMitigate. BitMitigate is 100% proprietary technology.

And in the meantime, Derek's engineering team is going to try out BitMitigate.com, and also now a few more folks at NamePros know about this remarkable product. All is well there.

 

[Derek Peterson]

This thread goes from one extreme to another with unfounded allegations of monkey sh*t therories against Rob Monster.

Nothing founded with any proof what so ever, yet the f*cking sh*t continues with same allegations over - over and over. day after day. week after week with nothing of substance.

What a f*cking cesspool of sh*t.

Well, to clarify, the only accusation I made was that bitmitigate has a graph up on their website that is also on a hosting provider's website called BuyVM for over 5 years - the image is still named buyvm on bitmitigate's website. I found that odd but Rob explained that his employee Nick was actually responsible for the graph image years ago, before bitmitigate and that they no longer even use BuyVM and do all in-house and I believe him. That's it.

I have never used bitmitigate but we are going to try it out.

 

[TCK]

Nothing founded with any proof what so ever, yet the f*cking sh*t continues with same allegations over - over and over. day after day. week after week with nothing of substance.

This thread is a document of evidence. What other proof are you looking for?

 

[NameLlama]

that his employee Nick was actually responsible for the graph image years ago, before bitmitigate and that they no longer even use BuyVM and do all in-house and I

Haha well takes a couple minutes to look up guys

January 2016 that image is there
http://web.archive.org/web/20160126195741/https://buyvm.net/ddos-protection/

In thos thread, Jan 2016, talking about ddos, NickL says "BuyVM is a great provider in their LV and NJ locations. Although LU seems to have some problems."
And in the thread he is talking about his own service "Athenalayer" apparently
Doesn't sound like an employee of Buyvm but mayve ripped the image from their site later on

 

[NameLlama]

Lol missed bit


latency

How would you know? You don't even operate in Europe and you most certainly don't have your own peers. You claim to be the industry leader but nobody knew about you until you spammed your posts here. You run your services on a $3/mo VPS from OVH but claim to dislike OVH. You said that you have a 100% uptime guarantee but you said that there was downtime from OVH. I just don't get it; do us all a favor and shut your crappy DDoS protection service down.