discuss Found an Amazingly Good Landing Page

[namemarket]

Hi, I stumbled on this the other day. It's probably the best for sale lander I have ever seen as far as both landing page content and good graphics are concerned: http://www.rates.best/

It's a Wix made page, don't know how it was done, made by who, a template or not, or if the lander can be customized and sold. All I know it is excellent, imo.

any opinions?

 

[JayT]

Get your daily dose of cringe!

 

[MapleDots]

yes, it is somewhat involved but if you are in the market to spend 69k I think you would want to read it..

It's backwards

rates.best

Nobody talks like that.... it's a worthless domain with a worthless website.

All in all a lesson in what not to do.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

It's backwards

rates.best

Nobody talks like that..

It is only (arguably - remember that best is a noun, adjective, verb or adverb according to dictionary) backwards if you view it as a two part phrase. If you view it as the single word 'rates' with in the same way .com is an indication of something commercial (at least by intention), .org an organization, .club a club, .de is an indication it is from Germany, .site (or many others) a reference site, etc. then it is the single high value word rates with the descriptor extension meaning a best of site. Will .best take off? No idea, I view it as possible but highly uncertain based on what has happened to now. If it does I don't view domains like this backward at all. I know this is off topic thread but where this backwards argument was mentioned again, I wanted to counter it.

Bob

 

[MapleDots]

It is only (arguably - remember that best is a noun, adjective, verb or adverb according to dictionary) backwards if you view it as a two part phrase. If you view it as the single word 'rates' with in the same way .com is an indication of something commercial (at least by intention), .org an organization, .club a club, .de is an indication it is from Germany, .site (or many others) a reference site, etc. then it is the single high value word rates with the descriptor extension meaning a best of site. Will .best take off? No idea, I view it as possible but highly uncertain based on what has happened to now. If it does I don't view domains like this backward at all. I know this is off topic thread but where this backwards argument was mentioned again, I wanted to counter it.

Bob

In a politically correct world your assessment would be correct.

In my world it is still backwards.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

In a politically correct world your assessment would be correct.
In my world it is still backwards.

You know the world I live in, always finding all sides and be nice to almost everyone By the way thank you for your post .

But I would argue that even in your world, well best at end is alive and well and has been for many years. Like in the few minutes since your message I readily found AsiaBest, SkillBest, DogsBest, MensBest, ToolBest, AutoBest etc. all of which in .com sold for more than $2000. Despite I would argue they all either have an unsaid additional word (like Dogs Best What?) or are backwards to more common speech (like really mean Best Dogs).

Bob

 

[JayT]

I don't think google is smart enough to know that rates.best is bad English. .best is a nice one imo. To me i'm me to you, I'm him!

 

[NYJimbo]

You know the world I live in, always finding all sides and be nice to almost everyone

Yeah, we noticed.

 

[Domains - Wanted]

Hi, I stumbled on this the other day. It's probably the best for sale lander I have ever seen as far as both landing page content and good graphics are concerned: http://www.rates.best...

For your sake, I really hope this is just a primitive and very transparent sales pitch of your own domain... otherwise you have more serious problems!

One of the worst landers ever! Hard to believe anybody could screw up so badly using Wix!

And pitching a supposedly high premium domain, leading with a "Made using Wix" banner borders on, well... insanity, mental health issues

I'm actually partial to dot.best. Like @Bob Hawkes, I see interesting possibilities. Unlike him and others, however, my positive outlook is focused strictly on development and positioning of minisites, not selling .best domains. @namemarket is unlikely to sell his rates.best for $690, let alone $69,000!

Another words, I see great potential rewards in developing my PressConference.best, but don't expect any interest in anyone buying it as is! As opposed to, say... PressConference.com I'd sold for $2,000+ some 15 years ago!

Full disclosure: I hold about 100 .best domains myself... maybe sounds like a lot, but it barely moves the needle vis a vis my 4,000 .com's. It's an experiment together with another hundred or so of assorted other nTLD's I've recently invested in...

 

[namemarket]

For your sake, I really hope this is just a primitive and very transparent sales pitch of your own domain... otherwise you have more serious problems!
...

Thanks for your feedback and opinion Domains-Wanted. Maybe new tld expert 'LOL Warrior' can chime-in?

Actually I wish I did own the name rates.best but agree it may be a bit overpriced at 69k and with price going up to a high 199k by end of June. However with that said I do think it is a valid 5-figure domain today.

P.S. I understand from posts on NP that Cyril from the dot-best registry is working with a buyer for a package deal on hotels.best and hotel.best for 1 million $ or more and feel that is also a reasonable price for buyer, especially when you look at a few big confirmed sales in other newer tlds for 500k or so.

 

[NYJimbo]

I understand from posts on NP that Cyril from the dot-best registry is working with a buyer for a package deal on hotels.best and hotel.best for 1 million $ or more and feel that is also a reasonable price for buyer, especially when you look at a few big confirmed sales in other newer tlds for 500k or so.

I'll bet it ends up as a redirect to a real domain. Just sayin.....

 

[JayT]

It may end up as a redirect but rebranding from a successful .something to a .anything is a scary proposition. If it redirects to a big site, that doesn't mean they don't like it as much or more than the .com. It might be bought just to keep out of the competitions hands too.

 

[iAchilles]

It's backwards

rates.best

Nobody talks like that.... it's a worthless domain with a worthless website.

All in all a lesson in what not to do.

I was going to mention that it was a waste of time, but I guess they got some dev experience under their belt, and learned how not to design a landing page.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

I'll bet it ends up as a redirect to a real domain

Somewhat surprising to some perhaps, I agree with this comment for many new gTLDs and .best in particular, but (perhaps) contrary to that being a statement re lack of value, I think it is just pointing out that in many cases the type of use of new extensions will be different. I see ultimately one of their main uses will be in marketing and promotional campaigns. Sometimes this will be with a full website, but in many cases it will simply direct to an existing page or site. I think new extensions like .best that are multiple parts of speech and widely used will be most effective.

Bob

 

[Domains - Wanted]

...Actually I wish I did own the name rates.best but agree it may be a bit overpriced at 69k and with price going up to a high 199k by end of June. However with that said I do think it is a valid 5-figure domain today...

I couldn't disagree more! Especially with the today part of this statement! Day After Tomorrow, maybe...

P.S. I understand from posts on NP that Cyril from the dot-best registry is working with a buyer for a package deal on hotels.best and hotel.best for 1 million $ or more and feel that is also a reasonable price for buyer...

If memory serves, that transaction covers not one or two, but some 1,000 premium .best domains...
tagging @Cyril.Best

 

[namemarket]

I couldn't disagree more! Especially with the today part of this statement! Day After Tomorrow, maybe...

If memory serves, that transaction covers not one or two, but some 1,000 premium .best domains...tagging @Cyril.Best

We will have to agree to disagree on the 5 figures. If I was a mortgage broker, bank credit card lender, commercial loan brokerage, personal loan or small loans firm with funds to spend I would buy rates.best right away (PS 5 figures can be as low as 10k not necessarily 69k).

Re the hotels deal I recall seeing discussion on it here here but mostly on a DNW.COM podacst and I believe it was on the 2 .best hotel names but I may be mistaken on that. However even if about 1,000 premiums are involved unlike other tld's they held back as premiums far fewer than most did.

So it would be surprising if the .best registry even had 1,000 held-back real premium accommodation related names and if they do I am sure almost all the value is in hotel.best and hotels.best anyway.

 

[MapleDots]

We will have to agree to disagree on the 5 figures. If I was a mortgage broker, bank credit card lender, commercial loan brokerage, personal loan or small loans firm with funds to spend I would buy rates.best right away (PS 5 figures can be as low as 10k not necessarily 69k).

The few sales you see in .best are anomalies, they are not something to measure the value of the extension by. You need a proven track record and years of data before you can ever attempt to place a real value on an extension. Dot com and some of the older extensions have that data and you can confidently invest 5 figures in a proper domain. Speculating and suggesting that a new extension is worth that based upon a few sales is a dangerous proposition which could lead to a lot of headaches and some dramatic losses.

 

[namemarket]

.....If memory serves, that transaction covers not one or two, but some 1,000 premium .best domains...

I spent a long time looking and did not find reference to 1,000 premium .best domains included in the deal.

Last month Cyril.Best said this in 2 posts quoted in part below without mentioning that:

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"Hotels.com was sold about $11M in 2001 and we just received a proposal of $1M for Hotels.Best + Hotel.Best"


"Deal is finalized, we have already a formal offer from the buyer. We are just in a process to check the real value on the market coz gap is big between "hotels.com" sold for $11M and "hotels.best" that is actually worth $1M."

 

[Henry Y]

I feel sorry to say that I think your landing page is not good...

Your landing page template is for business, not for domain sale. There is a lot of confusing content that is not domain sale related in the middle of the landing page (e.g. the "book online" on the navigation bar, a lot of URLs, mortgage related content, etc). Buyers may think it is a developed website that is already used for an established mortgage business, and then find other domain alternatives. If you want to demonstrate how your domain can be used, just a few lines of description are enough in my opinion, though I think end users already have their motives before buying domains.

Also, the landing page is very long and not attractive. If you want to sell the landing page and domain name together to offer a higher asking price, I think it does not work as buyers must not want the landing page and must design a new landing page themselves.

My last sentence: A bad landing page can negatively affect sale.

 

[namemarket]

I feel sorry to say that I think your landing page is not good...

Your landing page template is for business, not for domain sale. There is a lot of confusing content that is not domain sale related in the middle of the landing page (e.g. the "book online" on the navigation bar, a lot of URLs, mortgage related content, etc). Buyers may think it is a developed website that is already used for a mortgage business, and then find other domain alternatives. If you want to demonstrate how your domain can be used, just a few lines of description are enough in my opinion, though I think end users already have their motives before buying domains.

Also, the landing page is very long and not attractive. If you want to sell the landing page and domain name together to offer a higher asking price, I think it does not work as buyers must not want the landing page and must design a new landing page themselves. My last sentence: A bad landing page can negatively affect sale.

Some very good and valid points you raised and upon further review (football replay words) it now appears I may have been somewhat too glowing about the rates.best landing page after all.

FYI, It is not my page and I have no idea who owns that high value .best domain but wish I owned it.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

I spent a long time looking and did not find reference to 1,000 premium .best domains included in the deal.

I think that nothing has yet been announced beyond what you posted re the hotel/s deal, which I think he said might take some time.

A domain investor in France has paid an undisclosed amount for bank(.)best and he is selling it for low 6 figures. He appears in a video produced by the .best registry people.

Separate from that, they did a 1000 domain deal for an undisclosed price (either total or individual) for I think a France based chain of cafe or restaurants. If you go down the thread a NPs member used whois to find the type of names sold, which I believe the .best people did not release (I could be wrong).
https://www.namepros.com/threads/how-to-make-a-1000-domain-sale-in-one-deal.1128394/

Bob

ps A few in this thread have incorrectly said that @namemarket is somehow working with the .best registry people. He is not. Also, although he posted about this site promoting sale of a single .best domain name, I would just reiterate that it is not his site, he does not own the name, which seems misunderstood by some in this thread.

FYI, It is not my page and I have no idea who owns that

 

[Bob Hawkes]

Dot com and some of the older extensions have that data and you can confidently invest 5 figures in a proper domain. Speculating and suggesting that a new extension is worth that based upon a few sales is a dangerous proposition which could lead to a lot of headaches and some dramatic losses.

Your point about the less sales history the less certainty is well taken @MapleDots, but I think with the words I have bolded you are going on to an assumption that I think the vast majority who are considering this, or other similar, new extensions are not doing. I think most who are investing in them at this point are taking the risk at this point of one year of non-premium discounted registration costs. Yes, perhaps the person who bought bank(.)best is investing some major money and it is, I would agree, risky. But I literally know of not a single NPs member who has invested more than reg fee. I am not saying some have not paid for some premiums, but most of us have not.

I view it personally this way. If I picked up at an expiring auction a 2 word com I could easily pay about $70+$16 or so. With the same money I can (could) pick up about 40 (now I guess about 25) single word .best with high search volume. I agree with you the extension is unproven and the uncertainty is high. That 2 word .com is not without its own risk, and certainly carries no guarantee of sale. If I look at the numbers, it probably is at best about 1 chance in 3 that it will sell in my lifetime . I have been looking at the sales with history, and I am not sure that the price of 2 word .com is even going up any more.

So yes, maybe in a year, we still will have only a handful of .best sales >$100. If so and I give up on them I have lost some tens of dollars. I can live with that. But to me, having 25 single word best that I aesthetically like a lot vs a single two word .com in a domainer crowded space, is for me where I want to invest (I do have .com of course, a dozen or so, representing much more than my total .best investment several times over).

Bob

 

[frank-germany]

you have to much time ....

 

[Domains - Wanted]

We will have to agree to disagree on the 5 figures...

Works for me

If I was a mortgage broker, bank credit card lender, commercial loan brokerage, personal loan or small loans firm with funds to spend I would buy rates.best right away (PS 5 figures can be as low as 10k not necessarily 69k)...

Okay, I can work with that, too... how much for my banker.best then...?

However even if about 1,000 premiums are involved unlike other tld's they held back as premiums far fewer than most did...

Agree with you here. But I have it on good authority there's nothing in .best registry TOS stopping the new owners from changing this, "upgrading" already registered standard names to premium ones!

 

[loredan]

That's actually one of the worst landing pages I've seen in a while. For the asking price someone would expect to see a more professional design hosted on it's own server not a 1999-looking page and a freebie host from Wix.

As for the domain itself ... meh

 

[MapleDots]

Your point about the less sales history the less certainty is well taken @MapleDots, but I think with the words I have bolded you are going on to an assumption that I think the vast majority who are considering this, or other similar, new extensions are not doing. I think most who are investing in them at this point are taking the risk at this point of one year of non-premium discounted registration costs.

You are actually wrong on this because most newbies get attached to their domains and will register lots of them and renew them year after year until they accumulate dramatic losses. It is only the experienced domainer that will let the domain go after the discounted registration period ends.

I have seen this way too many times and have gotten emails asking for help when domainers own hundreds of domains with absolutely no sales yet they continue to renew them.