debate Will .xyz flourish in 2019?

[Laguna]

What are your thoughts on .xyz in the coming year or two ?

 

[BRANDERX]

apparently this is only for .xyz and not goes for all the new gTLD extensions.

There are many truly premium keywords that makes sense with the combination and doesn't have "real" premium renewal.

A fellow friend posted a great thread where people shares their domain names and their renewals. You can take a look at that here.

But I think we should define what is premium renewal first. I guess that depends from people to people.

I am a fan of that thread.

I just really don't like high renewals, just like I don't like high rentals.

 

[atinc]

I am a fan of that thread.

I just really don't like high renewals, just like I don't like high rentals.

I don't really like those high renewals too.

I have posted a thread about that last year. Where people shared the highest renewals. Ridiculous renewal fees you can check it out here.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/new-g-s-with-highest-renewals.1047982/

 

[xynames]

Not particularly commenting on the xyz extension but OP’s investment is typical of many new domainers. Will spend a dollar (and not much more) on something hoping to sell it for 200X or more, but won’t spend $200 on something that might well sell for 3X.

 

[Laguna]

Not particularly commenting on the xyz extension but OP’s investment is typical of many new domainers. Will spend a dollar (and not much more) on something hoping to sell it for 200X or more, but won’t spend $200 on something that might well sell for 3X.

You have no idea what I have bought and spent so don't say idiotic things unless you know them to be true !

 

[Kate]

You do realize the Spamhaus abuse score for xyz and com are essentially identical at 0.92 and 0.95 and for most of 2018 and late 2017 .xyz was better than .com? (today very slightly worse at 0.95). Maybe there is still time to edit your post.

.biz and .info were killed by spam in the early days too and they never recovered. They had other issues, but the poor reputation clearly had an impact.
I got some volume of spam from .xyz domains, but never got one single legitimate E-mail from .xyz. At some point they were basically giving them away to inflate the registration numbers but it's all hype. Only the naive will be fooled by Negari.
For me .xyz will always be remembered as a spammy and lousy TLD.

 

[xynames]

Not particularly commenting on the xyz extension but OP’s investment is typical of many new domainers. Will spend a dollar (and not much more) on something hoping to sell it for 200X or more, but won’t spend $200 on something that might well sell for 3X.

OP has posted examples of hand regs only on NamePros. He has acquired hand regs only.

My comment is not meant to be insolent it’s just a plain factual statement.

 

[Henry Y]

Even if all of that happened (extremely unlikely) why would anyone buy a .xyz at a premium price? The examples you gave are people choosing to spend $5 on a name. Same could be said of .biz or .mobi.

Your argument is subjective and not persuasive as it is just based on your personal thought and feeling without any objective support.

1. Can you please provide evidence that all I said is extremely unlikely to happen? As I know, many large companies are investing in 3D technologies, or technologies such as VR that adopt 3D technologies. For instance, Facebook is investing in VR and Hewlett-Packard (HP) is investing in 3D printing for manufacturing. I can easily google many research reports that show the increasing trend of developments, adoptions and applications of 3D technologies in the coming years.
2. You are not comparing apple to apple. .xyz can not be compared to .biz and .mobi because only .xyz has the meaning of 3D. That's why the exmaples I gave (i.e. 3D companies) use .xyz. Besides, among the examples, atlas3d/xyz and umake/xyz owners also own .com, but they use .xyz as their main extension (.com is redirected to .xyz). Also, the meaning of 3D for .xyz is not only defined by me, umake/xyz's CEO also agrees .xyz has a meaning of 3D space axes (Source: https://gen.xyz/blog/umake).
3. The examples are just for showing the use of .xyz in 3D field instead of showing no one uses premium .xyz names. Some premium one keyowrd names like Rise/xyz, Designer/xyz, Jungle/xyz and Feed/xyz are currently be use.
4. From the cost perspective, .xyz is less costly than .com. For a same keyword, .com is actually much more costly than .xyz even though .com's renewal price may be lower. You may need to spend initially at least 6 figures to buy keyword/com but less to buy keyword/xyz. The purchase price difference is equivalent to many many years of renewal. For 100k price difference, it may equal to hundreds of years of renewal. Also, the annual renewal price of many premium .xyz is just low xxx or even standard price that is affordable by companies. It is much cheaper than an iPhone, a labour's salary or even annual stationery expenses. What's more, .com does not fit 3D businesses well.

I know you hate ngTLDs, but please provide evidence to support your argument. People can only be pursuaded by objective evidence.

 

[johnnie018]

Your argument is subjective and not persuasive as it is just based on your personal thought and feeling without any objective support.

1. Can you please provide evidence that all I said is extremely unlikely to happen? As I know, many large companies are investing in 3D technologies, or technologies such as VR that adopt 3D technologies. For instance, Facebook is investing in VR and Hewlett-Packard (HP) is investing in 3D printing for manufacturing. I can easily google many research reports that show the increasing trend of developments, adoptions and applications of 3D technologies in the coming years.

3D printing has ben around for a long time now, do you see a lot of 3d printing domains sell?

4. From the cost perspective, .xyz is less costly than .com. For a same keyword, .com is actually much more costly than .xyz even though .com's renewal price may be lower. You may need to spend initially at least 6 figures to buy keyword/com but less to buy keyword/xyz. The purchase price difference is equivalent to many many years of renewal. For 100k price difference, it may equal to hundreds of years of renewal. Also, the annual renewal price of many premium .xyz is just low xxx or even standard price that is affordable by companies. It is much cheaper than an iPhone, a labour's salary or even annual stationery expenses. What's more, .com does not fit 3D businesses well.

I know you hate ngTLDs, but please provide evidence to support your argument. People can only be pursuaded by objective evidence.

.tk is free, therefore it is a good domain? .xyz domains are worth almost nothing because nobody wants them, junk tld. You can write essays to justify it but the names are still terrible!

 

[johnnie018]

You have no idea what I have bought and spent so don't say idiotic things unless you know them to be true !

You said in another thread you've never had a sale or even an inquiry! Better to listen than preach in that situation!

 

[offthehandle]

What's more, .com does not fit 3D businesses well.

Yep, .Com is only one dimensional.
XYZ "Fits" and has 3 dimensions.

BTW Google results for "3D" are 4.8 Billion indexed pages. 680 Million index pages for "3D Printing". Top 10 pages results are ranking .COM's, (1) info, 3 .co.uk, an org and a couple Edu's. Not one New Gtld, not even one. I was just curious as I had a news site for 3D printing several years then let it expire... could never rank with a .COM. Now I know why. XYZ looks like a wide open field, so go buy up them all.

Go hurry up an register 3DPrintShop.XYZ right now. It's not taken. Also .Club, etc. $1.99 each.

 

[johnnie018]

What's more, .com does not fit 3D businesses well.

Got to wonder what alternative universe people are posting from.

 

[Henry Y]

Yep, .Com is only one dimensional.
XYZ "Fits" and has 3 dimensions.

BTW Google results for "3D" are 4.8 Billion indexed pages. 680 Million index pages for "3D Printing". Top 10 pages results are ranking .COM's, (1) info, 3 .co.uk, an org and a couple Edu's. Not one New Gtld, not even one. I was just curious as I had a news site for 3D printing several years then let it expire... could never rank with a .COM. Now I know why. XYZ looks like a wide open field, so go buy up them all.

Go hurry up an register 3DPrintShop.XYZ right now. It's not taken. Also .Club, etc. $1.99 each.

Google search is just a game of search engine marketing that highly depends on location of searcher and search engine marketing skills of companies. When I searched "3D", some results not related to 3D business showed, such as Wikipedia, Uniqlo's clothes, jewellery, bus routes and even a YouTube user named "3D". Also, when I looked more search result pages, ngTLDs such as .app and .click showed.

Could you please advise the proportion of the domains existed in your search results are doing solely 3D business without other business lines that are unrelated to 3D?

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

punched in 3d .xyz in google, yes space no quotes where we search for everything, and xyzprinting.com took top 4 results.
I will admit the last result on page one was Atlas3D.xyz simple wp site that does not rank in alexa top 1mil

when search "3d" in google, .fr and .ch results come up on page 2 but no .xyz to be seen
If location meant so much, why I see .fr and .ch in canada

3 .xyz 1,970,106 -1,841 more good names are becoming available https://namestat.org/

 

[Henry Y]

punched in 3d .xyz in google, yes space no quotes where we search for everything, and xyzprinting.com took top 4 results.
I will admit the last result on page one was Atlas3D.xyz simple wp site that does not rank in alexa top 1mil

when search "3d" in google, .fr and .ch results come up on page 2 but no .xyz to be seen
If location meant so much, why I see .fr and .ch in canada

3 .xyz 1,970,106 -1,841 more good names are becoming available https://namestat.org/

Google shows search results partially based on searcher's location and content of websites, so we don't see the same search results as we are in different countries. You can see .xyz in your search, but others may not. That's why I described Google search is just a game of SEO and has low reference value.

Google adds score for ccTLDs. For example, .fr has a higher ranking than .com in France, given that other factors are same. But overall, the ranking is based on many factors, so it is normal that you can see .fr and .ch in Canada if other factors contribute high scores.

BTW, the more updated figure on NameStat is:
.TLD Domains + Today
xyz 1,970,824 718
Just like stock index, the figure fluctuates every day as there are registrations and drops on a day. So is .com.


Besides, I want to point out that search engine result is not a good source in statistical view. If we just look at the top few search results out of millions or billions of search results, the sample size is so small and the sample is not randomly selected (i.e. online or even offline factors can affect ranking), so it cannot conclude anything in statistical perspective. So many people here are not aware that a number of 3D companies are using .xyz for their businesses. I shared some real use cases of .xyz in 3D field is to uncover the blindspot caused by search engines.

 

[atinc]

I highly doubt that it is a valid sale. Go to the website, owner is a domainer.

And he says "We have NOT money, BUT domains cooperate or sell (BTC accept)" on the home page.

This is the homepage, says

• JOINED
  July 6, 2014

and the sale took place on 2018 ?

Nothing to doubt on this?

Show attachment 105881

Okay so I go a little bit deeper on this. Actually there is not even a website on this domain.

The domain name is forwarded with masking. When I went and explore the site I saw that it is a forum website and when I go from one page to another I realised that the url didn't change. It shows that its forwarded with masking.

The domain name is forwarded to bitcoifoundation.org, the home page is the owner's account on the forum.

My conclusion is the keyword is great and could be sold at that price to an "end user" and when I go to the website and see how it looked like as I attached above, I had doubt the sale was legit.

So there are people with deep pockets, if they really want to own a domain, whatever purpose behind it (develop,resale,park etc.) they would pay a good sum of money for that.

The owner is a domainer, as he stated on the homepage, so probably it won't be developed by him. He might bought it for resale...

Really you doubt this sale? It was announced by Andrew Rosener CEO of Media Options (as well as other activity in the domain community incl. sherpas) on his twitter feed, the buyer is a VP at Alibaba. The sale was conducted through Sedo, was announced on DNJournal and is in the NameBio database, both of which require verification. We know all of the previous owner (@DNGear), the intermediate owner (Andrew Rosener) and the final buyer.

Okay so I had the proper time to see the thread of the sales report for tokens.xyz sale.

Actually I was the one who said the buyer seems to be the VP of Alibaba after checking the registerer information.

What is interesting is whois shows Wang Shuai as registerer, who is the VP of Alibaba.

but on the main page - profile page of the redirected website this domainer who owns it has his Linkedin profile here.

Guess what?

They are different people!

I rechecked the registry info and it is changed to Daniel Wang, updated yesterday..

Back than when the sale thread posted on nP I checked the whois and it was Wang Shuai who is the VC of Alibaba. People who checked the whois when the sales report published on that nP thread, would confirm the owner name was Wang Shuai.

Another hype with .xyz...

I still have my skepticism about the validity of this sale. So many things doesn't make sense with this sale.

I made my research and I provided all the information on this thread.

Now it is up to people to decide.

 

[Rex73]

Another Examble of Domain without Premium renewal fees, but with top keywords, registrated today from me:

Biofoods.xyz

 

[lock]

What ever domain is offered at 99c to a few dollars flourishes they count on the renewals that is all that it is.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

I still have my skepticism about the validity of this sale. So many things doesn't make sense with this sale.

With respect I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I totally respect your right to an opinion.

If we apply the standard that there has to be a quality functioning website within 6 months of sale or we regard the sale as probably ffake, then at least 80% of sales are questionable (including those of 5 figures and beyond). To me it is like saying in actual real estate that a house has not started to build on a lot so the announced sale of the lot must be fake.

This particular sale rings true to me on multiple measures:

• The sale was publicly announced by a party (seller) to the sale in a prompt manner.
• We know both the price paid on acquisition and the price resold for, and the holding time.
• The seller was a well known company/seller in the domain world.
• The sale was conducted on Sedo.
• The sale passed the documentation test to be listed in DNJournal.
• The sale is listed in NameBio.
• To my knowledge no one else has ever questioned the sale (could be proven wrong).
• This is a high value word that has sold (exact) in 7 extensions, with this price 2nd of the 7. The average price of this word in those 7 sales is $9631, with all but one above $4000.
• It is true that this is the highest value sale in .xyz (at least in NameBio) in 2018, although just 23rd overall in .xyz sales in last 5 years.

In civil courts and in science we don't isolate any single piece but look at a preponderance of evidence (stronger measure in criminal cases off course). If I look overall at this sale there is overwhelming evidence of validity in my view.

As I have said, if we apply the end use test, many sales fail. Just for fun I looked at the NameBio top sales of 2018 and found one that is roughly the same time period as this sale so equal time for it to have been developed. It (a .com) sold for more than 30 times the amount of this sale (a mid 6 figure sale). Yet, almost 6 months later, it sits with the default GoDaddy landing page, no developed site at all. Does that mean it was a fake sale? I don't think so (at least not based only on that evidence). One could argue that the price was much more out of wack for it (only 4 times ever sold in any combination, the highest less than 1/200th of this sale). I am deliberately not stating the name, because I am not claiming the sale is not valid. I am just saying that looking only at end use 6 months later is not the right test.

Anyway, we agree to disagree I hope.

Bob

 

[Bob Hawkes]

By the way, to get back on track, my personal answer to the title of this thread "Will .xyz flourish in 2019" would be no. That said, I think we will see more sales and more dollar volume in .xyz in 2019 than in 2018, but not how I would interpret flourish as a dramatic change.
Bob

ps By the way, you could insert virtually any other extension for xyz and my answer would still be no re will it flourish. I think some will stay about same, and there will be slight up and down in most.

 

[Laguna]

You said in another thread you've never had a sale or even an inquiry! Better to listen than preach in that situation!

You say to much.
Another keyboard warrior

 

[domains21]

You say to much.
Another keyboard warrior

There's a reason that account is Restricted. Trolls, don't feed them.

 

[offthehandle]

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Yet, almost 6 months later, it sits with the default GoDaddy landing page,

Are you referring to i n s p e c t i o n ?
It was temporarily 301ed to the end user customers existing website, then the 301 was removed and now since then simply parked and remains that way.

 

[xynames]

I've sold domains for mid to high five figures that sat around with my nameservers, still parked for me collecting PPC links, for up to a year after payment.

Another one I sold about six months ago, for mid to high four figures, it just goes to a blank page, still now.

However, keep in mind:
Are Mike Mann's and Rick Schwartz's reported domain sales accurate or even true?
https://www.namepros.com/threads/ar...d-domain-sales-accurate-or-even-true.1113246/

 

[offthehandle]

I've sold domains for mid to high five figures that sat around with my nameservers, still parked for me collecting PPC links, for up to a year after payment.

Another one I sold about six months ago, for mid to high four figures, it just goes to a blank page, still now.

However, keep in mind:
Are Mike Mann's and Rick Schwartz's reported domain sales accurate or even true?
https://www.namepros.com/threads/ar...d-domain-sales-accurate-or-even-true.1113246/

I refrained from posting your thread btw, but glad you did. I get it for wholesale or non end user sales, but when a customer who is a real end user and it gets the big domain name news article and is reported they paid 6 figures, it seems strange not to remain 301 pointed forever to the customers existing website permanently. To find that redirect is later removed shortly after the sale and then for months idle parked it seems just strange.

Have you ever noticed, like this thread you reposted above get started and most any that ask such compelling questions seem to die in silence? Btw in case you didnt know, your thread above was even posted to a external blog then later erased.

I have to laugh at forum behavior where I have or someone else has posted a tough question a few times, then a day later an entire new thread gets started by someone else to “spin it” or bring on the new “promotion” or “self defense”.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

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Are you referring to i n s p e c t i o n ?
It was temporarily 301ed to the end user customers existing website, then the 301 was removed and now since then simply parked and remains that way.

No it is not inspection (sold later and for more). I as indicated not stating name since not claiming anything other than it is easy to find examples of sales with unused names and that does not mean sale did not happen. I went to NameBio top sales of 2018 and literally the second one I tried went to GoDaddy default.

. I am deliberately not stating the name, because I am not claiming the sale is not valid