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Here is a comprehensive strategy for buying domains at Expiring/Deleting Domain Auctions, as of Sept 2015. This process describes how the process of capturing .COM/.NET domains work.

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PRE-RELEASE DOMAIN AUCTIONS

A Pre-Release Domain Auction is an Auction for a domain which has Expired but which can still be renewed or transferred out (restrictions apply.. see below) by the current Registrant.

This is the first stage of the domain dropping process. From 0-45 days after expiry. (The Auto-Renew Grace Period, in ICANN speak). All Pre-Release Auctions end whilst the Registrar still has control of the domain before Day 45 after expiry. On day 46 the domain is given back by the Registrar to the Registry and it will definitely be deleted. There are only very rare exceptions. Renewal (the renewal price plus the Registrar's penalty) by the original Registrant is the most common.

Usually these Auctions begin at most Registrars or Drop Catchers at around 35 days after expiry (varies with Auctioneer) and the domain has still not been renewed by the current Registrant.

The main venues for these auctions are either at a Registrar which has an Auction System, like GoDaddy, or at Snapnames/NameJet which have entered into agreements with some Registrars to be the sole Auctioneer for their Expiring Domain Names.

Usually the current Owner of these domains still has the right to renew the domain. But sometimes Registrars who have agreements with Snapnames/Namejet restrict these rights. GoDaddy is the most generous. Allowing transfer out (or renewal at Godaddy with a penalty) up to 42 days after expiry. You need to read each individual Registrars ToS to know the time they give you to renew the domain or then lose your ownership rights. ICANN says it should be at 45 days. But no significant Registrar follows ICANN rules, here.

GoDaddy is the biggest Pre-Release Auction Market on the planet by way of the fact they are by far the biggest Registrar. SnapNames/Namejet are 2nd and 3rd to GoDaddy, respectively. Everyone else are bit players in this Market. They have a small Market Share. How much? difficult to say, but probably less than 10% for all of them combined. No facts to substantiate this.

It is highly recommended that if you see a domain in a Pre-Release Auction Market you want, you should bid on it at that Auction and not anywhere else. ie: If it is at SnapNames then only bid on it at SnapNames because they control the domain. It is your first and best chance of obtaining the domain.

The biggest downsides are, 1) The existing registrant can still renew the domain, and will be motivated to do so if they see it has value. 2) It is a Public Auction, so you can be outbid by anyone joining the Auction.

The biggest upsides are, 1) You sidestep the Pending Delete Auction which is open to everyone (including Dropcatch/HugeDomains. More on them later) 2) You retain the original registration date (which I like personally. YMMV)


PENDING DELETE DOMAIN AUCTIONS

A Pending Delete Auction is an Auction for a domain which has entered the Pending Delete stage of it's current registration. Almost dead and dropped.

Domains enter Pending Delete stage 75 days after expiry (46-75 days is the Redemption Grace Period, in ICANN speak). There is no coming back from Pending Delete. The domain will delete 5 days after it enters Pending Delete and will be available for re-registration the next day (day 6 after entering Pending Delete or 81 days after expiry).

These Auctions begin when the Domain hits Pending Delete status. It is a free-for-all when a domain drops. The company with the best drop catching system usually wins most drop-caches. This is DropCatch with over 500 registrars knocking on the Registry's door.

The main venues for these Auctions are DropCatch, SnapNames, NameJet. There are a miriad of other competitors, but they are only bit-players. Bit players ocassionally get lucky and capture Pending Delete domains. Usually (not always) the domains nobody else wants.

There are no official statistics, but DropCatch probably captures at least 50% of all drop-caught domains. It could be a lot more. they are the Goliath of Pending Delete Auctions. The reason for this is mainly because their sister company, HugeDomains, wants to snap up all dropping domains which have any value, and to place them on their own Domain Marketplace for sale. Partnering with Dropcatch has, to date, been a very successful strategy for them. But we cannot see if this is profitable or not for them.

The previous Goliaths were SnapNames/NameJet, who held the position now held by DropCatch.

It goes without saying. If you are serious at wanting a domain, you should be backordering it at all 3 of these companies. backorders are free. You only pay if you win the domain. If you are the only backorderer at the capturing company, you win the domain outright.

Now this is where it become interesting because of the different policies of DropCatch to SnapNames/NameJet relating to more than one backorderer.

For SnapNames/Namejet, if there is more than backorder placed at their venue and they capture the domain, then the domain goes into a three day Private Auction. Highest bid wins the domain.

For DropCatch, if there is more than one backorder placed on a domain at their venue, and they capture the domain, then the domain goes into a 3 day Public Auction. Where anybody can bid on the domain.

Because everyone is used to the old system at SnapNames/NameJet where a domain goes to a Private Auction, they reel at the though that anybody can bid on a drop-catch with multiple bidders, if it is caught by Dropcatch. they feel cheated. But it is only the marketplace at work. Of course a Private Auction is preferred because the domain has fewer bidders, not everyone. But with DropCatch capturing the lions share of all drop-caught domains, they have chosen to hold Public Auctions, where prices are naturally bid higher than at Private Auctions. Some say too high. But in general, it is only being bid up to a price where another Domainer can still sell the domain and make a profit, in their opinion. Of course opinions between domainers vary about the price.

There is a twist to this DropCatch dropcatching. As as sop to other domainers, they have stated that HugeDomains would not be permitted to participate in any Dropcatch Auction. This of course is fine, until they are being bid up by other domainers :( What is not so good, is they recently introduced a Discount Club, where HugeDomains have priority over any backorder. this is not good at all, as users of this service see most of their backorders being captured by HugeDomains. IMHO, you should never use their Discount Club and only participate in their full price backordering, which cuts out HugeDomains access to the domain. You still need to participate in the Public Auction if there was more than one backorder at DropCatch, if you want to capture the domain. The exception only would be if you are placed at the highest bidder and nobody else bid on the domain, which is quite rare.

Personally, I see DropCatch's method of doing business as a paradigm shift. It's not going away. Either embrace it or hate it. It will make flips harder because of the higher pricing, and will usher in longer hold times for domains. I actually like the fact I can poke my finger in the eye of HugeDomains (our biggest single competitor) by placing a full price backorder on DropCatch. Even if I don't bid on any auction, and I just take the captures where I was the only backorderer. It's peanuts in the big scale of things, but it gives me satisfaction :)

For domains which are not worth the $59 dropcatch fee. I usually backorder at Pheenix. They capture some but not all. With their recently added 100 drop-catch Registrars, they should become more competitive. But they have announced the same policy of as DropCatch of Public Auctions on domains with more than 1 backorder placed on their system, from Sept 19th 2015. This won't suit everybody. But I believe it is the wave of the future. Some day, all dropcatchers will operate like this. IMHO.

CONCLUSION

For Pre-Release domains I only bid at the Auction House which has the domain up for Auction. Nowhere else works. GoDaddy, or SnapNames, or NameJet, or if the domain is registered at a Registrar which runs it's own Auction House, eg Dynadot.

For Pending Delete domains which have value and desirability, I backorder at all three major players DropCatch, SnapNames, NameJet. For domains which I think won't get picked up by any of these three, I use the cheaper drop-catcher, Pheenix. The hundred registrars they just added will make them very competitive in this section. I might even add them to my top three and see how many they catch :)

See more about DropCatch and Domainers/HugeDomains backorders below.
 
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@davidc1 said:
One thing to know is that services put more power on domain when they have a lot of backorders for it, so it's not a good choice to backorder everywhere your domains, if domains goes to public auction after...

I take this as an answer to my question about placing backorders at multiple venues.... The answer is No.
 
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Thanks guys. I got my money back 😁
 
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OK. I think Pheenix is dead at drop catching now, since they cancelled all their Registrar Registrations. I even won 2 auctions on domains I lost last year, when they came up for renewal. But try as I may, I cannot get any help from their support to transfer them out. They provide Auth Codes by email, but when you try to transfer the domains, the receiving registrar say the Auth Codes are invalid and refer you back to Pheenix. Whose support has gone AWOL. If anyone has a solution to getting the correct Auth Codes. I'd like to hear about it.
 
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how can i see daily drop list of domain, need opinion about
 
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OK. I just have a little belated announcement about Dynadot drop-catches. For some time now (maybe up to a year), if 2 or more people backorder the domain at Dynadot, they used to go to a private auction. Nowadays all domains caught with 2 or more backorderers all go to public auctions (ala DropCatch). You won't learn much from watching these auctions. But you might see a domain you might want to bid on. Not many .com's there. They mostly seem to be .io domains.
 
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When I said not many .com's there and mostly .io I'm referring to those domains captured with more than two bidders. Of course Dynadot have the same dropping domains as the other companies. The price for a com dropcatch is $24.99. Which is considerably cheaper than elsewhere, but you should understand that those dropcatchers with bigger resources, will catch most of the drops. But to be fair, they do catch a number of domains which you might expect to be picked up elsewhere. You don't pay unless it's captured. So no harm in trying them. it's worked out for me on occasions.
 
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OK. I think Pheenix is dead at drop catching now, since they cancelled all their Registrar Registrations. I even won 2 auctions on domains I lost last year, when they came up for renewal. But try as I may, I cannot get any help from their support to transfer them out. They provide Auth Codes by email, but when you try to transfer the domains, the receiving registrar say the Auth Codes are invalid and refer you back to Pheenix. Whose support has gone AWOL. If anyone has a solution to getting the correct Auth Codes. I'd like to hear about it.

Persist, Persist, Persist Stub

Try from your Pheenix account option 'Transfer Out' you will recive a new Auth code any time when you use this action

If not go this way contact them - in the end they will answer to the ticket's - for me take arround 3 weeks

If not go any of this then use as say @davidc1
https://forms.icann.org/en/resources/compliance/complaints/transfer/form
 
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@Backorder-ing.com - This was an old post. I don't recall how I eventually managed to get these transfers to work. I was so relieved, I forgot to record it for posterity in a post. I don't even know if there are still in operation :(

OK Just went to their website. They are still operating. But I would trust them after my previous experiences.
 
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@Backorder-ing.com - This was an old post. I don't recall how I eventually managed to get these transfers to work. I was so relieved, I forgot to record it for posterity in a post. I don't even know if there are still in operation :(
Sorry but i recive alert few hours ago & try to help you
 
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This is a great post! There is a lot of info on this post I have just learned a lot.

Thank You
 
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Hi @stub - I'm not sure how much this is still relevant after 5 years, but thanks for an enlightening read, you clarified a lot of the top-level process for me, which is crucial to how I understand things.

One clarification if you don't mind - if GoDaddy's Expired domains (the ones you have to pay a yearly fee for) occur at the Pre-Release Stage, and the Pending Delete auctions occur at the Pending Delete Stage, am I correct in assuming that what they call "Closeout Domains" occupy the stage in between both of those - the Redemption Grace Period?
 
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Hi @stub - I'm not sure how much this is still relevant after 5 years, but thanks for an enlightening read, you clarified a lot of the top-level process for me, which is crucial to how I understand things.

One clarification if you don't mind - if GoDaddy's Expired domains (the ones you have to pay a yearly fee for) occur at the Pre-Release Stage, and the Pending Delete auctions occur at the Pending Delete Stage, am I correct in assuming that what they call "Closeout Domains" occupy the stage in between both of those - the Redemption Grace Period?

I think most of the information in this thread is still relevant today. Even if some of this info is 5 years old today. It was "cutting edge" at the time of posting. Closeout Domains on GoDaddy all refer to Pre-Release Auctions. You can place backorders for Pending Delete domains on GoDaddy. They accept Pre-Release Backorders for both GoDaddy and non-Godaddy domains. They don't make a "big deal" about these backorders, like DropCatch, NameJet, SnapNames, et al. Which is probably wise on their part because their performance in these captures is very poor. Because they just don't dedicate the registrars to catching these domains, like the big three.
 
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I think most of the information in this thread is still relevant today. Even if some of this info is 5 years old today. It was "cutting edge" at the time of posting. Closeout Domains on GoDaddy all refer to Pre-Release Auctions. You can place backorders for Pending Delete domains on GoDaddy. They accept Pre-Release Backorders for both GoDaddy and non-Godaddy domains. They don't make a "big deal" about these backorders, like DropCatch, NameJet, SnapNames, et al. Which is probably wise on their part because their performance in these captures is very poor. Because they just don't dedicate the registrars to catching these domains, like the big three.

So both GoDaddy's Expiring auctions and Closeout auctions occur during the 0-45 day Pre-Release Stage? Apologies for the questions, just trying to make sure I've understood the stages properly so I have a better idea of what happens when.
 
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So both GoDaddy's Expiring auctions and Closeout auctions occur during the 0-45 day Pre-Release Stage? Apologies for the questions, just trying to make sure I've understood the stages properly so I have a better idea of what happens when.

Only the Closeouts occur during the period BEFORE the domain is referred back to the Registry (Day 46). A Backorder, can be placed any time, but usually would be from Day 46 to the date it is available for Re-Registration. Bids on Closeouts are a completely different order to a BackOrder. But as I have said, GoDaddy only wins BackOrders after every Drop-Catcher has had their chance, because GoDaddy do not allocate enough resources (registrars), like DropCatch (some 2500 registrars, from memory). In my experiences in the past, a GoDaddy BackOrder cannot even beat a Hand-Registration once the domain becomes available again. They are pretty much worthless for most dropping domains. They are only useful for people who prefer not to Hand-Register a domain. IMHO.
 
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how can i see expireddomains.net new added domain
 
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how can i see expireddomains.net new added domain

Save a Search
. Then click on Manage Saved Search on the top and there you have the option to click Show only new Domains
 
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i wish I read this in 2015 lol
I thought it was too much work buy from resellers
And now the prices are through the roof.. damn
 
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Only the Closeouts occur during the period BEFORE the domain is referred back to the Registry (Day 46). A Backorder, can be placed any time, but usually would be from Day 46 to the date it is available for Re-Registration. Bids on Closeouts are a completely different order to a BackOrder. But as I have said, GoDaddy only wins BackOrders after every Drop-Catcher has had their chance, because GoDaddy do not allocate enough resources (registrars), like DropCatch (some 2500 registrars, from memory). In my experiences in the past, a GoDaddy BackOrder cannot even beat a Hand-Registration once the domain becomes available again. They are pretty much worthless for most dropping domains. They are only useful for people who prefer not to Hand-Register a domain. IMHO.

Sorry for the late reply. Yeah, I would never place a backorder at GoDaddy, I was more wondering how their Closeout and Expiring auctions fit into the whole process, but I suppose according to what you're saying, the Closeouts occur during days 0-45 of domain expiry... so does this mean that GoDaddy's Expiring auctions occur before even the Closeouts?
 
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Sorry for the late reply. Yeah, I would never place a backorder at GoDaddy, I was more wondering how their Closeout and Expiring auctions fit into the whole process, but I suppose according to what you're saying, the Closeouts occur during days 0-45 of domain expiry... so does this mean that GoDaddy's Expiring auctions occur before even the Closeouts?

GoDaddy Closeouts follow directly on from Expiring Domains. If the domain is not sold in their Expiring Auctions, they immediately move to Closeouts. It's like just 1 continuous process with 2 different names. GoDaddy Expiring Auctions start 26 days after expiry. It runs for 10 days, after which the Closeout Action continues for another 5 days. Hope that helps.
 
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GoDaddy Closeouts follow directly on from Expiring Domains. If the domain is not sold in their Expiring Auctions, they immediately move to Closeouts. It's like just 1 continuous process with 2 different names. GoDaddy Expiring Auctions start 26 days after expiry. It runs for 10 days, after which the Closeout Action continues for another 5 days. Hope that helps.

That's perfect, thanks for all your help.
 
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