BrandBucket/ DNbolt Experience

[campout]

DnBolt ranks for tons of BB names. They each get their own splash page, too.

 

[Brandworthy]

DnBolt ranks for tons of BB names.

Big difference is that his pages are not trying to sell other domains to you.

 

[Michael M]

DnBolt ranks for tons of BB names. They each get their own splash page, too.

I appreciated DNBolt's sales data when it was offered - but was never a fan of the landing page per domain angle.

I'd prefer references to my name being sold (and indexed by google) to be under my control...

But I understand with the web as it is - I do not and will not.

Still would be nice if BB removed the names as they used to. (or at least de-list them from the search engines)

Would be nice if DNBolt offered an opt out option as well.

But I guess everyone has their own interest to look after...

 

[JimJammy]

DnBolt ranks for tons of BB names. They each get their own splash page, too.

And he is stealing your leads...

 

[Embrand]

And he is stealing your leads...

Sorry, but I don't get this. How does it work? How can he provide discounts?

 

[JimJammy]

Sorry, but I don't get this. How does it work? How can he provide discounts?

Exactly!

He says that so whoever will input their name, email and mobile etc. Then he has the details of someone that was interested in your name so he can contact them with one of his similar cheaper names.

It's not BB the company he has been ripping off for years, it's us.

 

[Embrand]

Exactly!

He says that so whoever will input their name, email and mobile etc. Then he has the details of someone that was interested in your name so he can contact them with one of his similar cheaper names.

It's not BB the company he has been ripping off for years, it's us.

Wow, that is sneaky... Good to know. Thanks.

 

[Dnbolt]

Exactly!

He says that so whoever will input their name, email and mobile etc. Then he has the details of someone that was interested in your name so he can contact them with one of his similar cheaper names.

It's not BB the company he has been ripping off for years, it's us.

Got a text message from a friend about this post so had to respond...

So, @JimJammy that's NOT exactly how it works! We only refer to our own similar names if we can't get a deal from the BB seller.

 

[BrandCougar]

>> We only refer to our own similar names if we can't get a deal from the BB seller.

@Dnbolt - I am a little confused. Am I hearing this correctly? You are generating "leads" via landing pages that primarily contain scraped data and proactively using said "leads" to ask BB members to break their listing agreements with BrandBucket?



I think Weinstein used the same approach to find love.

 

[Dnbolt]

>> We only refer to our own similar names if we can't get a deal from the BB seller.

@Dnbolt - proactively using said "leads" to ask BB members to break their listing agreements with BrandBucket?

No Sir/Madam!

Let's also not go off topic. If you would like to discuss further please email me.

Thanks.

 

[BrandCougar]

Directly on topic.

Your experience with BrandBucket will include being engaged by outside influences, some welcomed, others not.

Another party you will be contacted by is GoDaddy's "Domain Buy Services".

For individual's new to the BrandBucket platform, they should be aware this will happen.

It is your choice how you handle such situations.

 

[domainer111]

And he is stealing your leads...

Ok but I think he stopped @JimJammy? I can't see anything on dnbolt dot com.

 

[JimJammy]

Ok but I think he stopped @JimJammy? I can't see anything on dnbolt dot com.

61,000 of our domains listed on his site. You can see them here: https://www.google.com/search?q=site:dnbolt.com&oq=site:dnbolt.com&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58j69i59.1785j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Pick any page to visit, scroll down the page and move around a bit and you'll see the pop up.

>> We only refer to our own similar names if we can't get a deal from the BB seller.

@Dnbolt - I am a little confused. Am I hearing this correctly? You are generating "leads" via landing pages that primarily contain scraped data and proactively using said "leads" to ask BB members to break their listing agreements with BrandBucket?

And to push his domains to our leads if he can't get a deal from us. That's what he said.

 

[domainer111]

I see @JimJammy -- great work digging that up, thank you!!

 

[Brandworthy]

And he is stealing your leads...

I have to say that's not cool at all, but I'll add "either". I'm absolutely not defending what you've alleged happens on DNbolt.com. I will say, however, that it's very hard to tar what DNbolt is doing, while at the same time remaining silent about BB's latest tactics

What BB is doing is actually worse IMO since their landing pages very prominently promotes other inventory, and the intent of keeping these pages is absolutely clear. They want to profit off inventory that is no longer listed. They would never retain pages from sold inventory, as this might upset buyers.

The names which I paid to list on BB, and which I removed as per the conditions agreed, should not be further used without my permission. I asked for those names to be removed, and BB have now decided to reinstate them without my permission for the purpose of marketing their business. The conditions I agreed to did not grant this permission, and I'd rather my names not be used in this manner.

I'd expect more from Brandbucket to be perfectly honest. I think nearly all sellers would hold them to higher standards than a third party with whom they have no relationship. The final point I'll make is that this tactic looks rather desperate, and doesn't reflect at all well on their business.
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[Arca]

I have to say that's not cool at all, but I'll add "either". I'm absolutely not defending what you've alleged happens on DNbolt.com. I will say, however, that it's very hard to tar what DNbolt is doing, while at the same time remaining silent about BB's latest tactics

What BB is doing is actually worse IMO since their landing pages very prominently promotes other inventory, and the intent of keeping these pages is absolutely clear. They want to profit off inventory that is no longer listed. They would never retain pages from sold inventory, as this might upset buyers.

The names which I paid to list on BB, and which I removed as per the conditions agreed, should not be further used without my permission. I asked for those names to be removed, and BB have now decided to reinstate them without my permission for the purpose of marketing their business. The conditions I agreed to did not grant this permission, and I'd rather my names not be used in this manner.

I'd expect more from Brandbucket to be perfectly honest. I think nearly all sellers would hold them to higher standards than a third party with whom they have no relationship. The final point I'll make is that this tactic looks rather desperate, and doesn't reflect at all well on their business.
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It looks like all the names I removed in the past have been reinstated at BrandBucket, making them indexable in Google so that BrandBucket can use them to potentially grab my leads for their own inventory.

As you noted we paid a $10 fee to list domains with BrandBucket, and then removed names as per their own terms and conditions. I did not agree to BrandBucket retaining a landing page with an inquiry contact form for those names (so I'd say BB and DNBolt are equally trying to illegitimately take contact info and capture leads for domains they have no right to sell). Because BrandBucket is a paid service, for them to create such a "removal penalty" where they use your removed domains to generate leads for themselves, possibly at the expense of your lead going with a BB name instead of your removed name, is not appropriate.

I have also sold many of the domains I removed from BB to end users (after they were removed from BB). I don't think those end users will appreciate seeing their new business names appear on BrandBucket landing pages, and have to compete with BB landing pages when people search for their business. BB do not retain landing pages for domains they sold themselves as they know this would irritate buyers, but they have no issue annoying our buyers that bought BB removed names from us outside of BB. I think this is an unprofessional move by BrandBucket.

 

[domainer111]

Ok so I see with @Dnbolt it's dnbolt.com/[your_bb_domain] .. are you in the affiliate program @Dnbolt ?

 

[Dnbolt]

Ok so I see with @Dnbolt it's dnbolt.com/[your_bb_domain] .. are you in the affiliate program @Dnbolt ?

Yes and No. An affiliate but not in the affiliate programme.

 

[Recons.Com]

Yes and No. An affiliate but not in the affiliate programme.

That makes no sense.

 

[Keith DeBoer]

DNbolt, You are making misleading statements.

There is no affiliate program at BB and there are no BB affiliates.

I double checked today with BB and they confirmed:

"DNBolt has never asked for nor has ever been given permission to republish BrandBucket inventory data on dnbolt.com.”

Furthermore, you are causing all BB sellers to be in default of their agreement with BB's terms for exclusive listings.

PS
There is a widget that any BB seller can use to display their BB listed names on their own website.
I use it at www.BrandTrapper.com. But that does not change the seller's status or provide any kickback or special benefit.

 

[boker]

DNbolt, You are making misleading statements.

There is no affiliate program at BB and there are no BB affiliates.

I double checked today with BB and they confirmed:

"DNBolt has never asked for nor has ever been given permission to republish BrandBucket inventory data on dnbolt.com.”

Furthermore, you are causing all BB sellers to be in default of their agreement with BB's terms for exclusive listings.

PS
There is a widget that any BB seller can use to display their BB listed names on their own website.
I use it at www.BrandTrapper.com. But that does not change the seller's status or provide any kickback or special benefit.

Keith, I don't think that what DnBolt is doing is moral, but it's nothing illegal also. All the names published at BB are public, it's the same as with the names from Sedo, Afternic and others. Everybody is using the domains names from each marketplaces to talk about them in blogs like dngeek or to publish some data regarding the domains. I don't think they need the approval from anybody, being public information, the only thing is that he is misleading saying that you could get an discount.

 

[JimJammy]

Keith, I don't think that what DnBolt is doing is moral, but it's nothing illegal also. All the names published at BB are public, it's the same as with the names from Sedo, Afternic and others. Everybody is using the domains names from each marketplaces to talk about them in blogs like dngeek or to publish some data regarding the domains. I don't think they need the approval from anybody, being public information, the only thing is that he is misleading saying that you could get an discount.

He is publishing our whois information.

He has openly admitted on this forum that he is scraping BB names in an attempt to get an offer on a BB name and approach the seller. That's stealing from BB in both senses (information and sellers).

If a name sells on BB, the name AND PRICE remain on DNBolt. The purchaser of that name probably doesn't want that information out there easily found. Who knows how much money DNBolt has lost BB in repeat business because of this - that is directly hurting us, the sellers.

He has also openly admitted on this forum that he is scraping BB names in an attempt to get an offer on a BB name... so he can push one his own domains at a cheaper price to that person.

Isn't it about time BB took some legal action @Keith DeBoer ?

Edited to add: Have PM'd you.

 

[boker]

He is publishing our whois information.

He has openly admitted on this forum that he is scraping BB names in an attempt to get an offer on a BB name and approach the seller. That's stealing from BB in both senses (information and sellers).

If a name sells on BB, the name AND PRICE remain on DNBolt. The purchaser of that name probably doesn't want that information out there easily found. Who knows how much money DNBolt has lost BB in repeat business because of this.

He has also openly admitted on this forum that he is scraping BB names in an attempt to get an offer on a BB name... so he can push one his own domains at a cheaper price to that person.

Isn't it about time BB took some legal action @Keith DeBoer ?

Edited to add: Have PM'd you.

I'M not a lawyer, but not including the misleading discount, I don't think that BB has a case against him. Let's change BB with Sedo for example. How can Sedo stop me if I wan't to talk about what Sedo sells and the whois information of each domain name. Whois information is public information, so nobody can stop him to publish anything that is already public. If he was revealing something that's under privacy, than this is another thing. Let say that I have a blog talking about brandables, including names from BB, BR, Sedo, Godaddy and others. Who can stop me to publish this names at my blog and talk about them, when this is already public information? Like this, if my seo is good enough, I can rank high for most of the names published by BB for example, and when a buyer will look for them using google, he could reach my blog before going to BB, so I could use this to get buyers for my names, it's nothing illegal. Nobody can stop somebody to use public information. Also, the price is public as well, even is they like it or not. Do you know that a lot of buyers from Sedo wanted to hide the price, but Sedo was charging for this? The purchaser could not force them not to publish the price but they could pay sedo so that the price will not be published. It's nothing illegal, just partly immoral.

 

[Arca]

"DNBolt has never asked for nor has ever been given permission to republish BrandBucket inventory data on dnbolt.com.”

Furthermore, you are causing all BB sellers to be in default of their agreement with BB's terms for exclusive listings.

I would also note that similarly, BrandBucket has not asked for nor been given permission to republish removed BrandBucket domains on BrandBucket again.

BB is currently listing our removed names with a contact form to capture leads and a list of “related” BB listed names, also in order to capture leads. Both BB and DNBolt is listing domains they don’t have permission to list in order to capture these domain owners' leads and promote their own in-house inventory to these leads. I think it's not right for BB to call out DNBolt for doing something without permission when BB is doing practically the same thing, also without permission. I suggest BB to lead by example and stop this practice.

 

[Dnbolt]

DNbolt, You are making misleading statements.

There is no affiliate program at BB and there are no BB affiliates.

I double checked today with BB and they confirmed:

"DNBolt has never asked for nor has ever been given permission to republish BrandBucket inventory data on dnbolt.com.”

Furthermore, you are causing all BB sellers to be in default of their agreement with BB's terms for exclusive listings.

PS
There is a widget that any BB seller can use to display their BB listed names on their own website.
I use it at www.BrandTrapper.com. But that does not change the seller's status or provide any kickback or special benefit.

There's has been some misunderstanding from my end regarding the question so I apologise.

Exclusive listings? (My domains names are also listed in BB)

I'll will no longer be responding to this topic as I am very busy now.

Thanks.