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warning I lose $42,000 on an escrow.com transaction as pdd.com, help please.

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Hi,
I bought pdd.com via escrow.com and the seller took the domain back on networksolutions.com after he received the money $42,000 US dollar.

for detailed information, please view http://www.drjw.com/

Any suggestions about what I can do is welcome, thank you!

If you know a lawyer who is an expert in online domain name disputes, please tell me his/her contact information, thank you very much!
 
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Does anyone have whois for past owner of 3620 to see if it is related to PDD ? BTW how do I find a previous whois record? Is it paid or free? Thanks
Enlighten yourself - https://dnstrails.com/#/domain/domain/3620.com

As of now 3620.com belongs to:
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I mean previous owner information you need to pay for it via whois, is there a free one out there? I want to look at both PDD and 3620 previous owners' and ips for both if there is a connection.

Simply random theft? Connection?
 
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3620.com previous owners. Ip can't be found unless NetSol share it.
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So basically if the Registrar + Escrow worked together, everything would solve itself, provided that they provide information in the first place.
 
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So basically if the Registrar + Escrow worked together, everything would solve itself, provided that they provide information in the first place.
Could be. But unless @American tells them and us why friends' names / accounts were used for the deal, nothing will work out. It's not too complicated to get an Escrow account or Netsol account thesedays.
 
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The previous owner of 3620 (I think) is out of France, and he doesn't appear to have visible digital footprints to PDD

Sitrok = French last name. (spotted in Israel net also) With a bit of twist and never ending creativity #122
 
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Sitrok = French last name. (spotted in Israel net also) With a bit of twist and never ending creativity #122
We may have something here, the funds transferred in this case was Euro and USD. So Euro must go to Europe, USD a partner in the USA or so?
 
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Hi,

I will gather more info soon and share with all friends here.

So many red flags from both side.

Thanks
 
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So basically if the Registrar + Escrow worked together, everything would solve itself, provided that they provide information in the first place.

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You are essentially correct. They also can't work together for a number of reasons.

The basic problem, which is going to get much worse with GDPR implementation, is that the "sale and payment" system, and the "domain registration and transfer" system, are two independently operating systems.

There are a couple of ways to tackle the consequences of that basic structural problem. One is to have an integrated registrar/marketplace system. The limitations of that system are that transactions can be authoritatively implemented only in relation to names registered with that registrar.

Another is to have a direct channel between the registrar and the "marketplace/payment" system under which the registrar can agree to implement changes based on (a) party confirmation from registrar, (b) payment confirmation from "marketplace/payment" system. This would require a few changes to the registration agreement, and of course the registrar would have to have an incentive to do so, such as a split of fees.

That would solve some problems, but not all.
 
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Use next time their concierge service which is little bit more expensive but you have more chances not to loose tour domain or money.
 
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Use next time their concierge service which is little bit more expensive but you have more chances not to loose tour domain or money.
You haven’t read the thread.
 
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Who knows what happened here, so many variables. If a domainer was really out $42k, a gofundme page would hit $42k in not time. We have all been there, and the core community is very generous.

But, on another note, if you wanted to send $42,000 out of China, you couldn't because of capital controls. Or you could buy a stolen domain, have the money sent to a friend, and then when the government put the squeeze on you, you have this great story about what you bought.
 
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Hmmmmmm

Where is op??

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By George I think he's left us :meh:
 
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We could make a movie out of this, I hope someone gets to the end of this and find out the roles of the PDD, NS, Escrow, and Chinese buyer and the seller. This could be the best movie ever!

If I have 50K right now I go on the interviewing spree and set up a movie about this. If someone make this movie, hire me. I have good narrative voice. :)




record your voice saying something interesting for us...
so we can HEAR you... (smile)
 
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Oh, stay tuned. This thread is going to become even more surprisingly entertaining than you imagine.

Once @teradomains notices that "Patrick Sitrok" first gets paid his asking price in euros for 3620.com, but then gets paid his asking price in dollars for this one, there's going to be a lot more questions to ponder.
when i bought 3620.com,i don't know the seller was a liar,i won't check the seller want usd or eur,this domain was auction at sedo.com,I'm already bought many domain on sedo,the money over $70000 USD.i think sedo.com will check the domain was safe and then show it on sedo.com auction,but when i ask him,they told me,they are just a trade site,don't care the domain was stolen or not.
 
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It would be interesting to know, since the history (from wherever it might be) posted at drjw seems to indicate that Netsol abuse had already been engaged on this before the alleged sale. But not knowing where the data comes from, I'm not sure what to make of it.

@American - What site are you using for domain history data?

Pointedly, this question from @Grilled goes unanswered here:



Another question for @American would be why is your name "Lou Zhi Yong" in your emails, but "Yue Er" when you registered gjfj.com?

Registrant Name: YUE ER
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: NEIMENGGUTONGLIAOSHI
Registrant City: TONGLIAOSHI
Registrant State/Province: NE
Registrant Postal Code: 028000
Registrant Country: CN
Registrant Phone: +86.15047471717
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +86.
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: [email protected]

(that's from WHOIS history back in October 2017)

Is Yue Er another friend of yours who borrows your email address?

So, sometimes your name is "Lou Zhi Yong" at Netsol, sometimes your name is "Ye Tian" when you borrow your friend's ID at Escrow.com, and over at Enom your name is "Yue Er".

Do I have that right?
this name is the same as I'm a Chinese,but i can named American,it's just a network username.
 
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Before any registrar restores a stolen name - and this happens a lot - they get an indemnification from the party to whom they restore it, and also make sure that party is likely to be good for it.

Secondly, they don't reach that point until they have looked at all of the data available to them and made a decision on the basis of their experience in looking at these sorts of things, and decide "how much of a risk of error is there?". Can they be wrong? Sure. There is always a risk of error, but that's true either way.



Stating "another scenario consistent with the facts" is not a "conclusion" of any kind. I believe I have proposed about three or four so far. And, sure, the facts are also consistent with the sorts of business practices which sometimes strike others as unusual or inappropriate.



You'd be surprised. We had a similar thread at Namepros a while back:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/any-help-domain-name-locked-due-to-pending-tdrp-complaint.1026338/

The OP of that thread IS the domain thief, and came to Namepros to seek help on how to avoid having the name transferred back. Massive balls of pure titanium, that one.

The reason for doing this sort of thing is to test out different scenarios, have us point out the inconsistencies, and then go back to the drawing board. The accumulated expertise and differing perspectives here provide a valuable test bed for finding the flaws in scams.

The OP uses at least three names I've counted so far, and admits to using a false identity to engage in an escrow transaction. As you note, that could be the sort of usual bumbling around by someone who is not sure what they are doing or how it might be perceived, and can have entirely innocent explanations.

@Grilled the prior registrant of gjfj.com - highlighted on your list - is someone I have advised in the past. I contacted them this morning and they confirmed to me that the name was legitimately sold in September via Namejet. It has passed through at least three other registrants in China since that time. The WHOIS information I posted is historical data from October 18, per next post.
Before any registrar restores a stolen name - and this happens a lot - they get an indemnification from the party to whom they restore it, and also make sure that party is likely to be good for it.

Secondly, they don't reach that point until they have looked at all of the data available to them and made a decision on the basis of their experience in looking at these sorts of things, and decide "how much of a risk of error is there?". Can they be wrong? Sure. There is always a risk of error, but that's true either way.



Stating "another scenario consistent with the facts" is not a "conclusion" of any kind. I believe I have proposed about three or four so far. And, sure, the facts are also consistent with the sorts of business practices which sometimes strike others as unusual or inappropriate.



You'd be surprised. We had a similar thread at Namepros a while back:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/any-help-domain-name-locked-due-to-pending-tdrp-complaint.1026338/

The OP of that thread IS the domain thief, and came to Namepros to seek help on how to avoid having the name transferred back. Massive balls of pure titanium, that one.

The reason for doing this sort of thing is to test out different scenarios, have us point out the inconsistencies, and then go back to the drawing board. The accumulated expertise and differing perspectives here provide a valuable test bed for finding the flaws in scams.

The OP uses at least three names I've counted so far, and admits to using a false identity to engage in an escrow transaction. As you note, that could be the sort of usual bumbling around by someone who is not sure what they are doing or how it might be perceived, and can have entirely innocent explanations.

@Grilled the prior registrant of gjfj.com - highlighted on your list - is someone I have advised in the past. I contacted them this morning and they confirmed to me that the name was legitimately sold in September via Namejet. It has passed through at least three other registrants in China since that time. The WHOIS information I posted is historical data from October 18, per next post.
I want tell you,i'm a domainer,i buy domains and sell it,China domain market is very hot,i can buy it at today,and sell it tomorrow,you know what i mean,if you need,i can prove the proof that i paid for namejet.com or any you can find the domain under my name "yue er" or "lou zhiyong".
 
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I want tell you,i'm a domainer,i buy domains and sell it,China domain market is very hot,i can buy it at today,and sell it tomorrow,you know what i mean,if you need,i can prove the proof that i paid for namejet.com or any you can find the domain under my name "yue er" or "lou zhiyong".
We understand that you are a frequent domain flipper. What looks fishy is you used your Friend's Escrow to make payment. Did you use his/her account to pay for domain via SEDO too? Why didn't you make payment via your Escrow?
 
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Whoxy.com --- fo free.

The previous owner of 3620 (I think) is out of France, and he doesn't appear to have visible digital footprints to PDD. Only connection I see as of now is both were regged at NetSol. Since OP claims to have bought both from Patrick, I wonder if the 4N was also a stolen domain.

reminder: 4N was purchased at Sedo. 3L was purchased via Escrow.com.

How did negotiations occur? Email? Chat? ie some type of communication must have occurred for OP to arrange escrow transaction through a previous seller he bought from.
The seller sent the first email to me and told me he is the 3620.com seller.
i check my sedo.com Transfer Documents,it's the same email address.
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you can find the domain under my name "yue er" or "lou zhiyong".
lol.. both names are for same gender? Looks like Samuel & Samantha are same these days :-P
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www.benmi.com

This is China domain tool website that i used.
 
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