warning I lose $42,000 on an escrow.com transaction as pdd.com, help please.

[American]

Hi,
I bought pdd.com via escrow.com and the seller took the domain back on networksolutions.com after he received the money $42,000 US dollar.

for detailed information, please view http://www.drjw.com/

Any suggestions about what I can do is welcome, thank you!

If you know a lawyer who is an expert in online domain name disputes, please tell me his/her contact information, thank you very much!

 

[elevator]

It happens. Has happened to me. Had purchased a domain from a leading domain auction company. Close to 45 days after it was transferred to me suddenly the domain disappeared and was given back the money I paid for the auction!!! But did not get the domain

Not getting domain after payment to auction is a different scenario, but in this case the OP got the name in his account and taken away from him. It can only be done with the registrar it is not possible for the seller to get it back on his own. $omebody among the staffers of the NS must have accessed the OP's account and conducted the pushing back to the sellers's account after payment.

This is absolute nonsense.

 

[catchmesleeping]

American - it's too bad you weren't able to discuss these purchases with an experienced domain investor first. There are some very obvious red flags, that would have indicated that these were stolen domains (seller name not matching to the recent whois record).

I'm very curious to see how this gets resolved. Escrow.com made big news recently with their changes of requiring extensive buyer / seller verification before transacting on their platform:

escrow.com/verify

The scammer who did this would have had to verify their identity as "Patrick Sitrok" I guess.

Also - it's too bad that you got a run around from Network Solutions. If they had been more clear to you about what happened (receiving stolen domains into your account), maybe you could have alerted Escrow.com sooner. It's already been over a month since the scammer was paid out...

 

[Irfan Shafi]

It happens. Has happened to me. Had purchased a domain from a leading domain auction company. Close to 45 days after it was transferred to me suddenly the domain disappeared and was given back the money I paid for the auction!!! But did not get the domain

Was domain in your account and then disappeared. It's not possible. The only case is it can be stolen

 

[Ganewy]

Refund your money easily by disputed it through the bank !! i just don't like to get headache with people like this

 

[hn]

Not getting domain after payment to auction is a different scenario, but in this case the OP got the name in his account and taken away from him.

Even in my case domain was transferred to my registrar - had my WHOIS Info on it for close to 45 days and was taken back from me!

Was domain in your account and then disappeared. It's not possible. The only case is it can be stolen

Ya domain was in my account (as it was a transfer it was under lockin) so could not transfer it anywhere. After close to 45 days domain was removed from my account. Got a message from registrar that auction company took back the domain! Auction company gave me what I had bid for the domain. I complained even to ICANN a couple of times and then gave up!

 

[Irfan Shafi]

Even in my case domain was transferred to my registrar - had my WHOIS Info on it for close to 45 days and was taken back from me!


Ya domain was in my account (as it was a transfer it was under lockin) so could not transfer it anywhere. After close to 45 days domain was removed from my account. Got a message from registrar that auction company took back the domain! Auction company gave me what I had bid for the domain. I complained even to ICANN a couple of times and then gave up!

This is really new thing to me

 

[kandyan]

This is horrible.. I hope things work out well for you mate.

 

[Winfluence]

Networksolutions seems to be the most problematic registry...they have so many issues...

 

[.NJ]

After reading through the screen shots I noticed you had a third party contacting network solutions.

Did you have someone else buy the domain for you using their account?

So your money, but their account?

If so, that def raised red flags.

Might be the reason for the delayed responses due to further investigation.

 

[Kate]

Escrow.com made big news recently with their changes of requiring extensive buyer / seller verification before transacting on their platform:

escrow.com/verify

The scammer who did this would have had to verify their identity as "Patrick Sitrok" I guess.

But a determined scammer/hacker will have no trouble passing the verification with photoshopped ID.
So what's left is the digital trail and the money trail. The money must have gone to a bank account somewhere. I don't know if escrow.com will release this information without a subpoena.

This is an unfortunate reminder that buyers have to do due diligence, Escrow will not investigate the domains for you (beyond what they deem fit to cover themselves). If the merchandise has been stolen, using escrow will not protect you.

 

[sharfab]

I hope things work out for you..

 

[kool1]

Although not a domain, I have been through a similar situation.

1) File a police report in the state/town the crime occurred. You will have to consider Escrow.com's state, and the sellers state. Use the persons name from Escrow transaction in the police report as seller of stolen goods. Even if that is not a real name, it doesn't matter for the police report.

2) Provide Escrow with the police report & they should release what data they have regarding the seller to you.

3) Email one of the domain lawyers mentioned above and forward them the Escrow info.

The lawyer can do all of this for you, which may be more convenient because you are not in the USA. But if you can file the police report and work with escrow first, you will save some money.

GL

 

[DN_Hunter]

This is horrible and I hope this is resolved properly for all parties in this transaction.

Would Escrow.com be on the hook if they did not properly research the Seller and the Account they used (I mean there is the new Verification Process at Escrow -- so they should actually VERIFY their users in case ID's were forged or photshop'd)? I see from the Escrow Transaction that there was an Intermediary Bank Fee of $25 -- so they probably disbursed the funds to/from actual Bank Account Number(s)?

Also, the 3 6 2 0 .com domain looks suspect also. A few searches indicates the prior owner of 3 6 2 0 also owns i d e l i o .net (and it makes sense because 36 20 is part of the owner address or organization according to the WHOIS for i d e l i o .net). Perhaps someone should reach out to that person to see if they sold the name -- or the worst outcome is it might have been stolen.

I am a domainer as a hobby, and this is very scary. It reminds me to search on all my purchases in the future and try to double check the Seller at all times. Also the Escrow concierge service sounds good for larger transactions -- but would that actually help in this situation (other than adding an extra layer of the Escrow.com account at the registrar)?

Regards,
DN

 

[Jasonn]

Didn't something like this happen a year or two ago and in the end it appeared that the buyer and seller were running some kind of scam to try and get escrow.com to refund them?

 

[dordomai]

This is horrible and I hope this is resolved properly for all parties in this transaction.

but would that actually help in this situation (other than adding an extra layer of the Escrow.com account at the registrar)?

Regards,
DN

escrow.com sedo can not help with this.

the solution to this is very simple. Insist that the domain does not get pushed but transferred to another registrar of your choice, ideally outside of the former jurisdiction/in your jurisdiction.

if they steal your newly acquired domain, this wont happen if you have changed registrar, I have not heard of this happening once, you can still sue them.

 

[Cdomains]

Isn't the whole point of Escrow to make sure stuff like this does not happen?

 

[American]

[QUOTE =“dordomai，文章：6515230，成员：179800”] escrow.com sedo不能帮助这个。

解决这个问题非常简单。坚持域名不会被推送，而是转移到您选择的另一个注册商，理想的情况是在您的管辖范围之外的前辖区。

如果他们盗取了你刚收购的域名，如果你改变了注册商，这种情况就不会发生，我还没有听说过这种情况，你仍然可以起诉他们[/ QUOTE]
networksolutions.com don't allowed transfer domain to another register after the last transfer with 60 days

 

[American]

Didn't something like this happen a year or two ago and in the end it appeared that the buyer and seller were running some kind of scam to try and get escrow.com to refund them?

i just want get my money back form the seller,escrow will not sent it back,beacuse the money was released.

 

[tomcarl]

Welp, someone's likely going to hell.

 

[American]

Ťhank you for everyone,and advice,i will keep contact networksolutions.com and web.com.

 

[jberryhill]

This was obviously a stolen name.

Teradomain missed a step in the sequence above.

This domain name was registered for over two decades to a company in Indiana:

Registrant Name: Professional Data Dimensions
Registrant Organization: Professional Data Dimensions
Registrant Street: 200 S MERIDIAN ST STE 301
Registrant City: INDIANAPOLIS
Registrant State/Province: IN
Registrant Postal Code: 46225-1076
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: 317 636 7355

...and for most of the time since the early 2000's, the admin contact was:

Registrant Email: [email protected]

In late October / early November 2017, the admin contact changed to:

Registrant Email: [email protected]

Then, on 21 November, the name went into privacy registration.

It was pretty obviously a stolen name, since Professional Data Dimensions is still in business with pdd.com:

https://www.linkedin.com/company/professional-data-dimensions/

That phone number is the same phone number as is listed on the last capture of their website at:

http://www.screenshots.com/pdd.com/

The "seller's address" from the Sedo transaction page is 14999 Preston Road in Dallas. That is a shopping mall:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1...35e7e91ca0d90a!8m2!3d32.9525872!4d-96.8051627

Obviously, there is no "Patrick Sitrok" with that address. In fact, if you Google "Patrick Sitrok", you primarily come up with this thread. There is no "Patrick Sitrok" at all.

if they steal your newly acquired domain, this wont happen if you have changed registrar, I have not heard of this happening once

Then you haven't heard enough. It can be more difficult, but some registrars will cooperate to return a stolen domain name.

Would Escrow.com be on the hook if they did not properly research the Seller and the Account they used

Dream on.

Here's the bottom line:

1. The name was stolen from Professional Data Dimensions. You aren't going to get the name from them.

2. There is no Patrick Sitrok, and the person who was corresponding with you is not an English speaker.

3. The money is long gone. You aren't going to get that back either.

4. Netsol is not going to help you. They restored a stolen name to their customer.

5. Escrow.com paid out the proceeds to whatever bank information they were given. They can't get it back and they aren't going to help you. Like Netsol, they are going to stop answering your emails.

 

[American]

This was obviously a stolen name.

Teradomain missed a step in the sequence above.

This domain name was registered for over two decades to a company in Indiana:

Registrant Name: Professional Data Dimensions
Registrant Organization: Professional Data Dimensions
Registrant Street: 200 S MERIDIAN ST STE 301
Registrant City: INDIANAPOLIS
Registrant State/Province: IN
Registrant Postal Code: 46225-1076
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: 317 636 7355

...and for most of the time since the early 2000's, the admin contact was:

Registrant Email: [email protected]

In late October / early November 2017, the admin contact changed to:

Registrant Email: [email protected]

Then, on 21 November, the name went into privacy registration.

It was pretty obviously a stolen name, since Professional Data Dimensions is still in business with pdd.com:

https://www.linkedin.com/company/professional-data-dimensions/

That phone number is the same phone number as is listed on the last capture of their website at:

http://www.screenshots.com/pdd.com/

The "seller's address" from the Sedo transaction page is 14999 Preston Road in Dallas. That is a shopping mall:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1...35e7e91ca0d90a!8m2!3d32.9525872!4d-96.8051627

Obviously, there is no "Patrick Sitrok" with that address. In fact, if you Google "Patrick Sitrok", you primarily come up with this thread. There is no "Patrick Sitrok" at all.



Then you haven't heard enough. It can be more difficult, but some registrars will cooperate to return a stolen domain name.



Dream on.

Here's the bottom line:

1. The name was stolen from Professional Data Dimensions. You aren't going to get the name from them.

2. There is no Patrick Sitrok, and the person who was corresponding with you is not an English speaker.

3. The money is long gone. You aren't going to get that back either.

4. Netsol is not going to help you. They restored a stolen name to their customer.

5. Escrow.com paid out the proceeds to whatever bank information they were given. They can't get it back and they aren't going to help you. Like Netsol, they are going to stop answering your emails.

This is the worst situation, I have been mentally prepared, but still have to try hard to get my money or domain name.

 

[jberryhill]

The register transfer this domain back without my accept,i don't know why,

Because their customer contacted them about their stolen domain name, and Netsol restored it to their account. Your account was locked, because it was the account to which the stolen name was transferred.

 

[alcy]

so are we to conclude here that previous owner did not notify netsol his name got stolen?

im having a bit difficulty understanding why netsol waited for this to get sold and pushed before returning it to original owner, which I assume is what took place.

 

[jberryhill]

but still have to try hard to get my money or domain name.

If Escrow.com were interested in helping you, they would provide you with all of the data they have on the "seller" - the full contact information they were given, the payment information they used, IP addresses of the transaction page accesses, etc..

Escrow.com is not going to do that voluntarily. Their only concern at this point is keeping the transaction fee they collected from you, and avoiding any liability.