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Bidding on your own names at NameJet...?

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Once in awhile I see people bidding on their own domains at NJ. I would think it would be frowned upon.

Today's seems more obvious than normal. Or am I missing something here?

Airlinejobs.com owned by Andy Booth at Booth.com and high bidder is BQDNcom (James Booth).

3 bids down we see Boothcom as a bidder.

Same thing with MovieZone.com. Owned by Andy Booth in which he currently appears to be the high bidder.

High Bid: $2,475 USD by boothcom

They actually won their own domain airplanesforsale.com. Im guessing it didnt get as high as they wanted so needed to protect it.

Bidder Amount Date
bqdncom $2,001 7/17/2017 12:23 PM
boothcom $1,950 7/17/2017 12:23 PM
 
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I used reverce Whois lookup of some of his domains and found zzttp.com, won by jiggaman in March 2016 (MO FA.)
2015/March 20, 2016 - Registrant Name: Andrew Rosener.
Then changed to Jigga Man in 2016 https://wa-com.com/zzttp.com
Now shows MO.
Current as-drid-2375622495519568
WHOXY.com shows InternetRealEstate.com as the owner. upload_2017-11-25_21-11-33.png

I note this, because according to a MediaOptions.com comment on DomainGang, "...Basically, Media Options has divested of its domain name portfolio to Internet Real Estate LTD. These are two completely separate companies and entities." upload_2017-11-25_21-14-12.png

So, jiggaman is a bot named Jigga Man, from Palma de Mallorca and he does not like to have domains registered at his name.

Jigga Man is using the email [email protected]. If Jiggaman + 99 Problems sound familiar, you might recall a musician named Shawn Corey Carter aka Jay - Z. upload_2017-11-25_21-23-9.png

Now, I'm not saying that there isn't somebody out there named Jigga Man, with 99 Problems LTD; simply pointing out the relation to the entertainment industry. If you recall the Enron scandal, they allegedly used fictional entertainment references to name some of their companies such as The JEDI LP (The Joint Energy Development Investment LP). upload_2017-11-25_21-28-12.png

 
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Well, that depends which alias you're referring to. I used seafoodman as the above example, because it is believed that seafoodman is andrew rosener (the ceo of mediaoptions) Thus, in accordance to this thread, the above screenshots are auctions where it looks like archive.org confirms seafoodman bid on mediaoptions featured auctions. When you're talking consistency and frequency, the question becomes how many private seller (public) 6N.com auctions did seafoodman win, and how many of those were his own auctions?

So far, I have found (6) NNNNNN.com auctions where seafoodman was the winning bidder. I can't confirm the featured auction account for every auction, but historical WHOIS show a company of Virtual Real Estate Limited (Oliver Hoger) or MediaOptions S.A. digital footprint. Also, note that all of the mentioned 6N.com wins of seafoodman have a registration date of September 2015

Domain:
299159.com
Registration Date: September 11th, 2015
Winning Bid: $220
Winning Alias: Seafoodman
NJ sale date: December 16th, 2015
Auction ID: 3742700
Historical WHOIS: Show attachment 73846

Domain:
338963.com
Registration Date: September 11th, 2015
Winning Bid: $105
Winning Alias: Seafoodman
NJ sale date: May 12th, 2016
Auction ID: 3792064
Historical WHOIS:Show attachment 73847

Domain: 366382.com
Registration Date: September 11th, 2015
Winning Bid: $111
Winning Alias: Seafoodman
NJ sale date: May 10th, 2016
Auction ID: 3791400
Historical WHOIS:Show attachment 73848

Domain: 396683.com
Registration Date: September 11th, 2015
Winning Bid: $131
Winning Alias: Seafoodman
NJ sale date: May 10th, 2016
Auction ID: 3791399
Historical WHOIS: Show attachment 73849

Domain: 396863.com
Registration Date: September 11th, 2015
Winning Bid: $89
Winning Alias: Seafoodman
NJ sale date: August 18th, 2016
Auction ID: 3824278
Historical WHOIS:
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Edit: So far, I have found (6) NNNNNN.com auctions where seafoodman was the winning bidder **of at least $89**. I will write another post that includes which 6N.com seafoodman [and others] (a) backordered and (b) bid above $69. In said future post, there might be an example where seafoodman won a 6N.com for $69. If so, I will include the historical WHOIS and other details such as above.

This is all of the NameJet 6N.com sales (that I was able to find) where seafoodman won at $69 by having the earliest backorder.

Domain: 238963.com
Registration Date: September 11th, 2015
Winning Bid: $69
Winning Alias: Seafoodman
NJ sale date: June 8th, 2017
Auction ID: 3934961
Historical WHOIS: upload_2017-11-26_0-1-57.png

Domain: 396859.com
Registration Date: September 11th, 2015
Winning Bid: $69
Winning Alias: Seafoodman
NJ sale date: June 7th, 2017
Auction ID: 3934370
Historical WHOIS: upload_2017-11-26_0-3-40.png

Domain: 393656.com
Registration Date: September 11th, 2015
Winning Bid: $69
Winning Alias: Seafoodman
NJ sale date: June 6th, 2017
Auction ID: 3933833
Historical WHOIS: upload_2017-11-26_0-5-4.png

Domain: 393556.com
Registration Date: September 11th, 2015
Winning Bid: $69
Winning Alias: Seafoodman
NJ sale date: June 5th, 2017
Auction ID: 3933351
Historical WHOIS: upload_2017-11-26_0-9-27.png

Domain: 281915.com
Registration Date: September 11th, 2015
Winning Bid: $69
Winning Alias: Seafoodman
NJ sale date: May 18th, 2017
Auction ID: 3927572
Historical WHOIS: upload_2017-11-26_0-13-1.png

Domain: 318184.com
Registration Date: September 21st, 2015
Winning Bid: $69
Winning Alias: Seafoodman
NJ sale date: September 26th, 2016
Auction ID: 3837847
Historical WHOIS: upload_2017-11-26_0-13-41.png

Domain: 253390.com
Registration Date: November 16th, 2015
Winning Bid: $69
Winning Alias: Seafoodman
NJ sale date: August 24th, 2016
Auction ID: 3826221
Historical WHOIS:upload_2017-11-26_0-18-16.png
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:5TtjgCqQnKgJ:www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3826221&cat=+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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Domain: 277749.com
Registration Date: September 12th, 2015
Winning Bid: $69
Winning Alias: Seafoodman
NJ sale date: May 23rd, 2016
Auction ID: 3795911
Historical WHOIS: upload_2017-11-26_0-22-14.png

Domain: 241117.com
Registration Date: September 12th, 2015
Winning Bid: $69
Winning Alias: Seafoodman
NJ sale date: December 9th, 2015
Auction ID: 3739335
Historical WHOIS:upload_2017-11-26_0-22-55.png
 
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Most [if not all] of these 6N.com that seafoodman won at $69 [first minimum backorder] were sold multiple times on NameJet.
Domain: 238963.com
Registration Date: September 11th, 2015
Winning Bid: $69
Winning Alias: Seafoodman
NJ sale date: June 8th, 2017
Auction ID: 3934961
Historical WHOIS:

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Auction ID: 3735490
Featured Auction: http://web.archive.org/web/20151119093510/http://www.namejet.com:80/featuredauctions/4mso1azf

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Auction ID: 3892029

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Auction ID: 3934961
 
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Jigga Man is using the email [email protected]. If Jiggaman + 99 Problems sound familiar, you might recall a musician named Shawn Corey Carter aka Jay - Z.

Now, I'm not saying that there isn't somebody out there named Jigga Man, with 99 Problems LTD; simply pointing out the relation to the entertainment industry. If you recall the Enron scandal, they allegedly used fictional entertainment references to name some of their companies such as The JEDI LP (The Joint Energy Development Investment LP).

Alias: JiggaMan

From what I can see, alias JiggaMan placed apprx 983 bids on 6N.com NameJet auctions. Of those 983 bids [including $69 minimum backorders] JiggaMan bid on 550 unique 6N.com's.

Of those 550 unique 6N.com JiggaMan bid on at NameJet, [from what I can tell] JiggaMan only bid on 6N.com domains that have WHOIS registration dates of:

August 9th, 2013 [1]
218886.com upload_2017-11-26_14-19-48.png http://web.archive.org/web/20160330071402/www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/Featuredauctions.aspx
Auction ID: 3776023
upload_2017-11-26_14-35-37.png[2+ days left] http://web.archive.org/web/20160328...ctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3776023 upload_2017-11-26_14-29-32.png

September 10th, 2015 [47]

September 11th, 2015 [491]

September 12th, 2015 [8]

September 21st, 2015 [3]
299884.com
: upload_2017-11-26_14-41-22.pngAuction ID: 3745510 upload_2017-11-26_14-53-39.png [auction ID for a later 9/2016 listing: 3837030 won by alias investments at earliest $69 bid]

318184.com: upload_2017-11-26_14-56-13.png Auction ID: 3746766 upload_2017-11-26_14-49-39.png, Auction ID: 3837847 upload_2017-11-26_15-32-27.png

311334.com: upload_2017-11-26_14-42-54.png Auction ID: 3746512 upload_2017-11-26_15-20-33.png
 
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Alias: JiggaMan
From what I can see, alias JiggaMan placed apprx 983 987 bids on 6N.com NameJet auctions. Of those 983 987 bids [including $69 minimum backorders] JiggaMan bid on 550 554 unique 6N.com's.

Of those 550 554 unique 6N.com JiggaMan bid on at NameJet, [from what I can tell] JiggaMan only bid on 6N.com domains that have WHOIS registration dates of:
September 11th, 2015 [491] [495]

Correction. See strike-through's...

Alias: JiggaMan

From what I can see, alias JiggaMan placed apprx 983 987 bids on 6N.com NameJet auctions. Of those 983 987 bids [including $69 minimum backorders] JiggaMan bid on 550 554 unique 6N.com's.

Of those 550 554 unique 6N.com JiggaMan bid on at NameJet, [from what I can tell] JiggaMan only bid on 6N.com domains that have WHOIS registration dates of:

August 9th, 2013 [1]

September 10th, 2015 [47]

September 11th, 2015 [491] [495]

September 12th, 2015 [8]

September 21st, 2015 [3]
 
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Domain: 281915.com
Registration Date: September 11th, 2015
Winning Bid: $69
Winning Alias: Seafoodman
NJ sale date: May 18th, 2017
Auction ID: 3927572
Historical WHOIS:

Domain: 281915.com upload_2017-11-29_2-32-10.png
Number of times sold on NameJet: 4 [that I know of]

JiggaMan bought it for $191 from a featured auction 4mso1azf [believed to be featured auction belonging Oliver Hoger]
Seek bought it for $79 from featured auction MediaOptions
HKDN
bought it for $79 from featured auction 6ifd5lvs [believed to be featured auction belonging Oliver Hoger]
SeafoodMan bought if for $69 from featured auction 2cpd2hzh [believed to be featured auction belonging Oliver Hoger]

www.namejet.com/pages/auctions/standarddetails.aspx?auctionid=3927572 | Featured Auction: 2cpd2hzh
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www.namejet.com/pages/auctions/standarddetails.aspx?auctionid=3888699 | Featured Auction: 6ifd5lvs
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www.namejet.com/pages/auctions/standarddetails.aspx?auctionid=3825431 | FeaturedAuction: MediaOptions
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www.namejet.com/pages/auctions/standarddetails.aspx?auctionid=3733732 | Featured Auction: 4mso1azf
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Who is alias QC1? I think it's [email protected]

This bidder caught my eye after noticing it won several 6N.com [containing 0/4] from featured auction 9rev0pcj [believed to be a featured auction account belonging to Oliver Hoger]


538041.com
380146.com
186864.com
286864.com
538064.com
538074.com
538046.com
386904.com
386940.com
302064.com
302074.com
302042.com
302047.com

Here is an article I found on Jack...(just saw it was posted 2 posts above)

https://dsad.com/emergence-quad-premium-llll-coms-oliver-hoger-jack-kalfayan/

[email protected] is associated with a few domains with a historical WHOIS Jack K. digital footprint such as FDHB.com, AOAF.com, NLRF.com. Jack K. WHOIS is out of Quebec, which is abbreviated QC. QC1 may or may not be Jack K; just noting the digital footprints.
 
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Would anybody be alarmed to find that over 3,000 NameJet 6N.com sales have a WHOIS digital history tracing back to Oliver Hoger and/or MediaOptions.com? And that those 3,000+ NNNNNN.com's appear to be hand regs from a three day period between September 10th, 2015 and September 12th, 2015?

Just to clarify, that just because a 6N.com has an early WHOIS historical record of Media Options S.A. or Virtual Real Estate Limited registered between September 10th 2015 and September 12th 2015 that doesn't necessarily confirm they were the featured auctions that sold the 6N.com on NameJet. I believe to confirm bidding on one's own domain, you need both the record of that person being the seller at the time of the sale, and their bidder alias. On page 61, I used featured auction screenshots from archive.org to confirm seafoodman bid on at least five of MediaOptions 6N.com auctions. If anybody has reason to believe the screenshots in archive.org are incorrect, please let me know and I'll investigate.

In November of 2016, featured auction 2cqh4wgz had listed domains such as 396169.com and 118529.com. I do not have a record of these domains publicly selling to Abstract Holdings International LTD prior to the reported November 30th, 2016 NJ sales to bidder first for $100 each. I assume [based off believed WHOIS at the time] featured auction account 2cqh4wgz was owned by Abstract Holdings International LTD.


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http://web.archive.org/web/20161129003304/http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/2cqh4wgz

Domain: 396169.com
Featured Auction: 2cqh4wgz
Historical WHOIS: upload_2017-12-1_4-25-50.png
Auction ID: 3861275
NJ sale date: November 30th, 2016
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Domain: 118529.com
Featured auction: 2cqh4wgz
Historical WHOIS: upload_2017-12-1_4-26-42.png
Auction ID: 3861277
NJ Sale Date: November 30th, 2016
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Domain: 396859.com
Registration Date: September 11th, 2015
Winning Bid: $69
Winning Alias: Seafoodman
NJ sale date: June 7th, 2017
Auction ID: 3934370
Historical WHOIS:
Using the quoted domain for example, 396859.com sold three times. And without knowing which featured account seafoodman bought it from on June 7th, 2017 for $69, you can't conclude that he bid on his own auction. Thus, just because it appears they were the original registrant, that in itself, doesn't confirm they bid on their own auction, when they may have won their domain back after previously selling it.

Featured Auction: MediaOptions upload_2017-12-1_3-53-37.pnghttp://web.archive.org/web/20160820213700/http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/mediaoptions
Auction ID: 3825784
NJ sale date: August 23rd, 2016
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Featured Auction:
6ifd5lvs [believed to be a Oliver Hoger's]
Auction ID: 3889698
NJ sale date: February 16th, 2017
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Featured Auction: Unknown -- I haven't been able to confirm it. ???

Auction ID: 3934370
NJ sale date: June 7th, 2017
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The habitual shill bidder (seek) got bid up by other shill bidders? Or was seek, jiggaman, and seafoodman playing a coordinated game of hot potato hoping magicon would come out winning? Doesn't look right either way, and it's also notable that the name was returned to seller after being under Oliver Hodger's ownership for a brief period after the auction, according to WHOIS history records...

Care to clarify or share your thoughts on this, NameJet General Manager Jonathan Tenenbaum? @NameJetGM
 
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it's also notable that the name was returned to seller after being under Oliver Hodger's ownership for a brief period after the auction, according to WHOIS history records...

Re-acquisition of EIQ.com explained on DomainSherpa HERE

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And what do you think took place in this auction?
Jiggaman bid on EIQ.com. Then, shortly after, Seafoodman bid on yet another MediaOptions featured namejet auction.

Additional info: Prior to this NJ auction sale to seek, it went unsold on Flippa: https://flippa.com/6719557-eiq-com
 
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I finally was able to make the time to track down Media Options auction history, by manually copying and pasting from hundreds and hundreds of Archive.org records. Then I had to cross-reference the domain, archive date, and time remaining to make sure I had the correct auction IDs. By doing this I was able to identify 1,086 auctions that were run by Media Options, although the list might not be exhaustive.

SeafoodMan (Andrew's NJ alias) did participate in his own auctions, here's how it played out:

136 min back orders placed - 12.5%
27 times runner up - 2.5%
12 auctions won - 1.1%
11 auctions bid above min - 1%

Min back orders are not terribly suspicious because for a while NJ had no seller dashboard and it was common to back order your domains to track your own auction results.

Almost all of the time he was the runner up was due to an early min back order and him getting outbid at $79, not him habitually running people up and bailing.

Of the 12 auctions he won he was the only bidder in 7 of them.

Of the 11 auctions bid above min, one was a back order from a year and a half before the auction even started, and only two were actually bid aggressively, EIQ.com and SolarStop.com (latter was a single proxy bid). The other 8 he bid above min on were all 6N.com of which he won four of them in the $xx to very low $xxx range, so I believe this was unintentional as winning 50% is a pretty crappy "success" rate for shill bidding.

I don't understand how it would be possible for him to accidentally bid on EIQ.com to $26k and not recognize it was his, yet claim to be so in love with it that he had to buy it back at a substantial loss shortly after the auction. Weird.

But anyway, in general his activity as SeafoodMan doesn't seem nefarious. Just for fun I ran my refund calculator as if Andrew was a shill bidder, and the total refunds due across all his own auctions that he participated in would be $110 with the highest being $30. Doesn't sound like an evil genius plan to me.

Anyway, hope this helps.

For reference, his auctions that he won:

fucktheworld.org: auctionid=3833209
cheapmovingquotes.net: auctionid=3833183
biodiversewine.com: auctionid=3833182
domainsalesagency.com: auctionid=3829526
puertocaimito.com: auctionid=3826723
253390.com: auctionid=3826221
epalermo.com: auctionid=3825422
396863.com: auctionid=3824278
zoneld.net: auctionid=3797160
338963.com: auctionid=3792064
366382.com: auctionid=3791400
396683.com: auctionid=3791399

His auctions he bid above min:

eiq.com: auctionid=3828005
396863.com: auctionid=3824278
338963.com: auctionid=3792064
366382.com: auctionid=3791400
396683.com: auctionid=3791399
396695.com: auctionid=3789446
366985.com: auctionid=3786960
368163.com: auctionid=3786053
151169.com: auctionid=3730352
solarstop.com: auctionid=3727252
proton.org: auctionid=3667021

And his auctions he was a runner up in:

a1college.com: auctionid=3833181
caymanislands.me: auctionid=3831440
382119.com: auctionid=3829242
396831.com: auctionid=3828703
396832.com: auctionid=3828344
396835.com: auctionid=3827974
393525.com: auctionid=3827051
396851.com: auctionid=3827050
393552.com: auctionid=3826694
396852.com: auctionid=3826693
393553.com: auctionid=3826157
396853.com: auctionid=3826156
281912.com: auctionid=3825836
393556.com: auctionid=3825785
396859.com: auctionid=3825784
281915.com: auctionid=3825431
393656.com: auctionid=3825405
396861.com: auctionid=3825404
393661.com: auctionid=3824625
396862.com: auctionid=3824624
393662.com: auctionid=3824279
396891.com: auctionid=3823933
395189.com: auctionid=3823304
395383.com: auctionid=3822524
396895.com: auctionid=3822523
396695.com: auctionid=3789446
368163.com: auctionid=3786053
 
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Doesn't sound like an evil genius plan to me.

I don't think anybody would expect an evil genius plan with known bidding alias. The concern is bidding alias like HKDN with questionable bidding patterns you pointed out. Or other alias with questionable patterns that may go unseen without routine audits?

Does Jiggaman bidding pattern look normal?

His auctions he bid above min:
eiq.com: auctionid=3828005
396863.com: auctionid=3824278
338963.com: auctionid=3792064
366382.com: auctionid=3791400
396683.com: auctionid=3791399
396695.com: auctionid=3789446
366985.com: auctionid=3786960
368163.com: auctionid=3786053
151169.com: auctionid=3730352
solarstop.com: auctionid=3727252
proton.org: auctionid=3667021

I thought I noticed seafoodman bid on these [reserve not met] mediaoptions listings. Though, I can't re-confirm since NJ took away bid logs...

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The other 8 he bid above min on were all 6N.com of which he won four of them in the $xx to very low $xxx range, so I believe this was unintentional as winning 50% is a pretty crappy "success" rate for shill bidding.

Do you know an example of a 6N.com where seafoodman won that wasn't sold by Oliver or MediaOptions on NameJet?

Anyway, hope this helps.
Thank you.
 
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Was it ever confirmed that HKDN was in fact a shill bidder? Given everything that has occurred behind the scenes, I am trying very carefully not to make any false accusations / allegations. Thus, this confirmation question.

[I posted the image on July 22nd -- hence the auction end date] AUCTION ID: 3929384

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On May 24th I wrote
https://dsad.com/domain-shanes-daily-list-domains-auction-wednesday-may-24th/
in this post I wrote

These.com HDKN has a bid at $14,000 which lately has been a shill bidder that bids right below the reserve so my guess is the next bid meets reserve...

DSAD had guessed correctly that the next bid would in fact meet reserve, but does that make HKDN a shill bidder? ie when Oliver Hoger responded to this thread, he said most of us don't know how next bid win auctions work, and then explained the process. Could this just have been an example of next bid wins?

@Domain Shane -- not sure if you were one of us who didn't know how next bid win auctions work, but now that you do know, do you still think HKDN has been a shill bidder? ...and if not -- do you have any plans to retract your May 24th article to state otherwise?

@Michael -- Can you confirm if this [$14,100] auction was paid for? It's still reported in NameBio so I assume so, but the optics are confusing given it appears the same seller had listed the domain a few months later...

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I believe the May 2017 sale of These.com came from [assumed Oliver Hoger's] NJ featured account 7syi4nah Archive link HERE

On page two of this thread, I had noted the featured account selling the domains mentioned in the OP, was also selling These.com
Skimmed through WHOIS for 100 of domains by this seller. I can confirm most WHOIS have the name of the seller screenshotted for (These.com)

Thus, I think it's logical to assume an Oliver Hoger featured account listed These.com in July 2017 as well.

Which (since the reserve was met) means one of a few things could have occurred:
(1) These.com sold for $14,100 to IamNobody in May, and Oliver bought it back, and relisted it in July.
(2) IamNobody didn't pay when he won These.com for $14,100. Thus, Oliver re-auctioned it. [IamNobody has been a member since at least 2013 per a 2013 $69 bid here HERE]
(3) ???

[I posted the image on July 22nd -- hence the auction end date] AUCTION ID 3955490

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Does Jiggaman bidding pattern look normal?

Just so everyone is aware -- JiggaMan doesn't only bid on 6N.com's.

Featured Auction: MediaOptions Archive Link HERE
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On February 13th, 2017 QC1 was the high bidder at $20,000 with the reserve not met. HERE

Featured auction 6ifd5lvs [believed to be Oliver Hoger's account] HERE
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According to GoldNames HERE tetucky was the winning bidder [reserve met] by bidding $100 above QC1. Also note, that since Oliver Hoger is believed the seller of the February 2017 EEJ.com auction, Winner8888 (Oliver's Bot) appears to have bid on Oliver's own domain -- not like this is should surprise anyone.
 
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As it is becoming apparent that @NameJetGM is no longer watching this thread, and it doesn't appear they are taking these concerns seriously, I am beginning to wonder if an on-site peaceful protest is necessary. Would anybody be interested in attending or supporting such an event?

On-site protest meaning, to walk the public sidewalk's outside of NameJet in Washington and/or a domain conference such as NamesCon in Las Vegas, with signs and other media to raise public awareness of questionable domain auctions at NameJet.

Maybe then, NameJet will take this seriously? Maybe they aren't aware of how great leaders such as @Jeff Reberry at DC just set an example by going above and beyond for their customers by auditing all past auctions deemed to be 'bid up' and issued refunds?
 
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and/or a domain conference such as NamesCon in Las Vegas

that @NameJetGM is no longer watching this thread

While it is unknown who exactly is watching the thread, one would reasonably guess that both shill bidders and those who support them ARE watching it each day. They know who they are (we may only guess). It may well be that they already secured NamesCon tickets as either participants or possibly key speakers, why not? If so, how comfortable will it be for them to participate? I guess at least some other participants will elect to ignore their speeches etc., and may even prefer not to share the same dinner or breakfast tables with these guys.

And, what if this thread is also watched by law enforcement agencies?

The history teaches us the following:
(a couple of quotes)

Aug 24, 2017 - Yu Pingan, identified by the agency as the pseudonym "GoldSun," was arrested at Los Angeles international airport on Wednesday when he was arrived in the United States to attend a conference, CNN reported.

Sep 23, 2017 - Marcus Hutchins, the British hacker who helped contain the recent spread of the notorious WannaCry ransomware, has been arrested while attending the DEFCON conference in Las Vegas.
 
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Was it ever confirmed that HKDN was in fact a shill bidder? Given everything that has occurred behind the scenes, I am trying very carefully not to make any false accusations / allegations. Thus, this confirmation question.

[I posted the image on July 22nd -- hence the auction end date] AUCTION ID: 3929384

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DSAD had guessed correctly that the next bid would in fact meet reserve, but does that make HKDN a shill bidder? ie when Oliver Hoger responded to this thread, he said most of us don't know how next bid win auctions work, and then explained the process. Could this just have been an example of next bid wins?

@Domain Shane -- not sure if you were one of us who didn't know how next bid win auctions work, but now that you do know, do you still think HKDN has been a shill bidder? ...and if not -- do you have any plans to retract your May 24th article to state otherwise?

@Michael -- Can you confirm if this [$14,100] auction was paid for? It's still reported in NameBio so I assume so, but the optics are confusing given it appears the same seller had listed the domain a few months later...

Show attachment 74852

I believe the May 2017 sale of These.com came from [assumed Oliver Hoger's] NJ featured account 7syi4nah Archive link HERE

On page two of this thread, I had noted the featured account selling the domains mentioned in the OP, was also selling These.com


Thus, I think it's logical to assume an Oliver Hoger featured account listed These.com in July 2017 as well.

Which (since the reserve was met) means one of a few things could have occurred:
(1) These.com sold for $14,100 to IamNobody in May, and Oliver bought it back, and relisted it in July.
(2) IamNobody didn't pay when he won These.com for $14,100. Thus, Oliver re-auctioned it. [IamNobody has been a member since at least 2013 per a 2013 $69 bid here HERE]
(3) ???

[I posted the image on July 22nd -- hence the auction end date] AUCTION ID 3955490

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First of all. I'm 48 and you REALLY need to use a font that someone can read. Is that like a 2 pt? Second. I don't know what HDKN is/was/or what it will be, I just know it wasn't natural. I called it when I saw it and I'll call the next one when I see something unnatural.

Don't forget two things. I was the FIRST to have problems and say them publicly on both Namejet and Dropcatch issues. Namepros brought out more details but I started it. I called Namejet about HDKN and my auction with weed.cc started the Dropcatch inquiry. All of which I posted on this forum all open and honest. If everyone was like me you wouldn't have any problems. No need to ask me any more questions. If I have an issue or see something I'll let everyone know
 
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Was it ever confirmed that HKDN was in fact a shill bidder? Given everything that has occurred behind the scenes, I am trying very carefully not to make any false accusations / allegations. Thus, this confirmation question.

[I posted the image on July 22nd -- hence the auction end date] AUCTION ID: 3929384

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DSAD had guessed correctly that the next bid would in fact meet reserve, but does that make HKDN a shill bidder? ie when Oliver Hoger responded to this thread, he said most of us don't know how next bid win auctions work, and then explained the process. Could this just have been an example of next bid wins?

@Domain Shane -- not sure if you were one of us who didn't know how next bid win auctions work, but now that you do know, do you still think HKDN has been a shill bidder? ...and if not -- do you have any plans to retract your May 24th article to state otherwise?

@Michael -- Can you confirm if this [$14,100] auction was paid for? It's still reported in NameBio so I assume so, but the optics are confusing given it appears the same seller had listed the domain a few months later...

Show attachment 74852

I believe the May 2017 sale of These.com came from [assumed Oliver Hoger's] NJ featured account 7syi4nah Archive link HERE

On page two of this thread, I had noted the featured account selling the domains mentioned in the OP, was also selling These.com


Thus, I think it's logical to assume an Oliver Hoger featured account listed These.com in July 2017 as well.

Which (since the reserve was met) means one of a few things could have occurred:
(1) These.com sold for $14,100 to IamNobody in May, and Oliver bought it back, and relisted it in July.
(2) IamNobody didn't pay when he won These.com for $14,100. Thus, Oliver re-auctioned it. [IamNobody has been a member since at least 2013 per a 2013 $69 bid here HERE]
(3) ???

[I posted the image on July 22nd -- hence the auction end date] AUCTION ID 3955490

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It appears in December of 2016 These.com received a bid as high as $26,000 from bidder HKDN, but reserve wasn't met. Though, about a half a year later, in May of 2017 the reserve was met with a $14.100 bid. But did it actually sell for $14,100 or did it turn out to be a nonpayer?

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https://web.archive.org/web/2016121...ctions/standarddetails.aspx?auctionid=3866628

In case there is any question, the above listing is from featured auction: 7syi4nah

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http://web.archive.org/web/20161213132347/http://www.namejet.com/featuredauctions/7syi4nah
 
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these.com is again in pre-release

NameJet still misleading buyers claiming domains to be expiring or prerelease, even though they are clearly not? Is it because pre-release auctions are more popular and private sellers auctions are now obviously less popular?

Domain Name: THESE.COM
Updated Date: 2017-10-25T17:40:51Z
Creation Date: 1998-11-20T05:00:00Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2018-11-19T05:00:00Z
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Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2018-11-19T05:00:00.00Z

Above whois clearly shows that the current registrant renewed the domain name on or before Oct. 25th this year, and it is currently set to expire on Nov 19th next year.
 
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NameJet still misleading buyers claiming domains to be expiring or prerelease, even though they are clearly not? Is it because pre-release auctions are more popular and private sellers auctions are now obviously less popular?

Domain Name: THESE.COM
Updated Date: 2017-10-25T17:40:51Z
Creation Date: 1998-11-20T05:00:00Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2018-11-19T05:00:00Z
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Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2018-11-19T05:00:00.00Z

Above whois clearly shows that the current registrant renewed the domain name on or before Oct. 25th this year, and it is currently set to expire on Nov 19th next year.
Expiry pre-release and private listings used to be indistinguishable if a domain didn't have a reserve, which was very misleading IMO. Recently they've addressed this issue, and now at least it's clear from just looking at an auction page whether or not it is a private listing:

Private seller listing:
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Expiry pre-release:
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NameJet still misleading buyers claiming domains to be expiring or prerelease, even though they are clearly not? Is it because pre-release auctions are more popular and private sellers auctions are now obviously less popular?

Namejet puts up private listings as pre-release as well. The last time I listed with NJ, they had a pre-release period ranging between 21 days and 30 days. This is to drum up interest in the auction as well as get backorders. Without a pre-release, how would other users place backorders on private listings?
 
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