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[NameOmnia]

I have recently posted 2 threads in the WTB section with very detailed instructions and I mean very detailed.

It does not matter how clear I am 95% of the messages I receive are SPAM, offers for available domains in exchange of money, domains out of the maximum budget etc etc.

Interestingly enough there are members that, even though reported in the past ( I know because I report those who spam me ) are someway still capable of sending Pms, spamming etc.

Like someone pointed out in another thread it seems that reporting has become useless; has anyone thought about a different option?

 

[Marshall]

I think some guys are posting these threads just for having fun. Like some don't even read what they are typing before posting.

Few days back someone requested for Crypto names with a hundred of conditions, one of them was --
'also send 5L Crypto brandable'.

Man! You kiddin!
Even Crypto has 6 letters!!

 

[NameOmnia]

I think the requester should only be allowed to request one type of submission per thread to eliminate any ambiguiity for either party. Also the requester should be very specific about price.

With that I agree also. There are countless WTB post that I report for missing budget and sometimes it is the same people that repeatedly "make the same mistake" let's put it that way.

Like those who keep making the same mistake of posting a price range/ budget that they never mean to pay or offer.

 

[biggie]

if you are seeking "phrase" .com, like "backtobasics.com" and your budget is up to $100...

then you should expect to get spam and submissions that don't meet criteria.

why?

cuz, your "budget isn't equal to the quality of that expectation"

when such names routinely sell from mid 4 figures to low 5

same for those wanting "one word.com" with budgets less than $500

sure, you can want... all you want, but quality doesn't come cheep

i guess everybody is looking for a sucker, but suckers rarely luck upon a good name

increase your budgets and i think you'll get better quality of submissions

imo...

 

[NameOmnia]

if you are seeking "phrase" .com, like "backtobasics.com" and your budget is up to $100...

then you should expect to get spam and submissions that don't meet criteria.

why?

cuz, your "budget isn't equal to the quality of that expectation"

when such names routinely sell from mid 4 figures to low 5

same for those wanting "one word.com" with budgets less than $500

sure, you can want... all you want, but quality doesn't come cheep

i guess everybody is looking for a sucker, but suckers rarely luck upon a good name

increase your budgets and i think you'll get less spam.

imo...

I think that that was just an example of the domains I was looking for wasn't it? And I purposively chose very common sentences to avoid confusion.

But if I am sent names like SilverAgency, CareYourCar, VintageGifts, MacaoApartments (intentionally modified for privacy) etc or I am offered names to register in exchange of money that has nothing to do with the budget.

"increase your budgets and i think you'll get less spam."

LOL

imo...

 

[NamePrime]

Everybody wants to buy low and sell high

I don't have problem with anyone wanting to buy cheap, if you don't like the budget just don't bother sending. Same for the seller, if you don't have what the buyer wants don't send unrelated names.

But I do have problem with sellers who don't even bother to reply even if you send them with what they have specified and within their budget.

 

[biggie]

or I am offered names to register in exchange of money that has nothing to do with the budget.

i contacted a poster in a thread to see what related names he was offering to the OP of a dnwanted thread once

found out, this guy didn't own any related names, he was trying to pawn off a domain finding service for unregistered names.

i reported it and for a while, they were prohibited from posting in that section.


imo...

 

[imadoer]

Not calling anyone out here but.

Most guys are praying on Desperate domainers to sell there good namea for pennies in the dollar.

Also there's tons of new they're great name in their eyes is dogshit in ours

 

[NameOmnia]

i contacted a poster in a thread to see what related names he was offering to the OP of a dnwanted thread once

found out, this guy didn't own any related names, he was trying to pawn off a domain finding service for unregistered names.

i reported it and for a while, they were prohibited from posting in that section.


imo...

Being offered available names in exchange of money is a quite common practice; there is one member that does it for every thread I post.

As a side note I always find very interesting that many who "like" certain posts and comments are indeed those spamming around with names that are not even closed to be "English" let alone catchy phrases...lol.

 

[Eric Lyon]

Interestingly enough there are members that, even though reported in the past ( I know because I report those who spam me ) are someway still capable of sending Pms, spamming etc.

It's very rare that we would place restrictions on someone for this on a first offense. Unlikely even for the second offense. However, it's all being notated on their accounts and it will catch up to them in one way or another, if they don't follow the rules.

Please continue to report rule violations. It will eventually resolve itself if the reports keep coming in. Otherwise, the issue will likely get worse.

There's no way for us to know it's happening in DM unless you report it to us. That's a prerequisite to solving the problem. Please report.

Thanks for your help,

 

[Nikul Sanghvi]

I posted my first WTB/Request 24 hours ago...
https://www.namepros.com/threads/looking-for-single-word-co-domains.1040065/

I thought that the requirements were both reasonable and explicit (but am open to feedback if they aren't).

So far, I've had 22 member replies:
- Of the total replies, only 4 of these are on brief
- 18 of these were off-brief and missed one or more aspects of the specification:

• The first message I received was completely off-spec, and even had the wrong TLD. I reported it as spam.
• 1 was an email sent to me via whois, again irrelevant to the spec.
• 5 DMs were non-dictionary words (and 2 of these didn't have any prices)
• 9 DMs were longer than 7 letters (including 3 non-dictionary words and one domain that was pending expiration)
• 1 domain offered was not priced but I was told that it exceeded the maximum budget
• 1 DM didn't have individual prices, as it was bulk purchase only (but most domains still over 7 letters)

What was surprising to me was that of the 18 members that missed the brief, many were Business Accounts, VIPs and mostly Established Members.

The most common issue by far is that the character limit was seen as a flexible requirement.
The second most frequent was that Geo names and first names are confused with dictionary words.

Lastly, something that won't surprise anyone, but nearly all of the priced domains fell into the top 20% of my budget range. It leads me ask the questions: Would I actually receive better quality names with a higher price bracket? Or would I receive the same names even with a lower price bracket?

I don't harbour any hostility towards any of the messages - and I think I've replied to nearly all of them. Everyone has to hustle, I get it. The majority of these members would have assumed my requirements were flexible and thought it was worth a shot.

Not the end of the world, but an interesting learning curve for me: If I want to pick fruit in the fields rather than buy it in a supermarket, I have to be prepared to get a little bit muddy in order to pay the lower price.

 

[Eric Lyon]

@Nikul Sanghvi -

Excellent analysis and information. We appreciate you taking the time to provide it.

The first message I received was completely off-spec, and even had the wrong TLD. I reported it as spam.

Thanks for the report.

From WTB reports we've reviewed (not just yours), this issue happens the most when budgets are unrealistic for the request. That may play a part here since many domains matching your criteria have sold for much more than $250 in the aftermarket/expired market.

However, that doesn't excuse members breaking the rules by sending you domains that don't meet your criteria. If you receive a DM that is an honest mistake, such as some members may feel that Geo names are dictionary words since many states/cities appear in dictionaries, then do not report those, because that simply needs to be clarified in your criteria, which is open to interpretation otherwise.

The only time a length requirement becomes ambiguous is whether to count the TLD or not, assuming the criteria doesn't specify whether the length includes/excludes the TLD.

Please report all obvious disregards for your criteria so we can continue to improve the results that everyone gets.

Thanks again for your help,

 

[Nikul Sanghvi]

No worries Eric - glad the information is useful. Regarding your points, I totally understand, but I felt that the budget per domain was justified:

From WTB reports we've reviewed (not just yours), this issue happens the most when budgets are unrealistic for the request.

Many WTB posts provide liquidity into the market, often for names that aren't liquid. This means a WTB post can try to arbitrage between wholesale/handreg prices and aftermarket - rather than between aftermarket (GoDaddy, Sedo, Afternic) and end-user prices. Otherwise, it would be easier to go direct to those aftermarket venues if we are expected to budget at similar prices. If the liquidity existed in those markets for these domains, it would also be easier for the sellers (submitting names) to go direct to those aftermarket services to sell them.

That may play a part here since many domains matching your criteria have sold for much more than $250 in the aftermarket/expired market.

I handregged at least two-dozen 7 letter dictionary words within the last couple of months - so I felt that $250 was a fair price and good ROI for similar names at wholesaler rates. I may increase my budget to see if there is any uplift in the quality and quantity of on-brief submissions.

If you receive a DM that is an honest mistake, such as some members may feel that Geo names are dictionary words since many states/cities appear in dictionaries, then do not report those, because that simply needs to be clarified in your criteria, which is open to interpretation otherwise.

100% agreed - I did not report any of those submissions for that exact reason.

I wonder if the budget<>spam relationship is correlation or causation. Potentially, the 'spam' is a constant and varies as a percentage of total responses in relation to the budget. So the higher the budget, the more non-spam (on-brief) submissions. It may be that buyers such as myself should just become accustomed to receiving off-brief responses in order to mine diamonds in the rough, especially when we are trying to push the boundaries of ask<>aftermarket ratio.

Thank you for the feedback - I will definitely take it on board.

 

[Eric Lyon]

It may be that buyers such as myself should just become accustomed to receiving off-brief responses in order to mine diamonds in the rough, especially when we are trying to push the boundaries of ask<>aftermarket ratio.

That's a mature and professional perspective.

I understand that sellers may not always want to report another member (Especially if the member is new and trying to figure things out). If that's the case: As fellow members of the community, it might help to reply to their DM with a little guidance on where they went wrong rather than reporting them. This could be the best approach if you don't think they deserve to receive a warning but they need help realizing why their submission didn't match your criteria. That's one more way we can help each other learn and to improve the experience for everyone.

We'll continue working hard to rid as much spam from NamePros as possible with the help of reports, but this teamwork approach with/from buyers could result in positive changes, as well.

Thanks,