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Hello,

I wonder if anyone could help clear up some confusion about .co domains for me. I have read that they are now supposed to represent company instead of Columbia, but I still see people referring to them for use in Columbia only, and many dismiss their use for anything commercial because of the confusion with same name dot coms.

2 months back I purchased a few dot co domain names thinking that they would be a good investment, but I am unsure about potential buyers, should I assume that anyone interested in the names would only want to use them in Columbia, or are the dot co domains gaining popularity. I only ask because of the difference of opinion out there and would like an up to date take on things.

In case you are wondering which names I purchased, they are...
oaty dot co
idler dot co
trilby dot co
graphicnovels dot co
comicart dot co

Thanks very much!
 
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hundreds of developed .co website are owned by global people
and thousands of .co domains owned by global people
the extension are popular worldwide
and dont ever think that all of this high .co sales come from columbia buyers
so the extension still growing
 
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hundreds of developed .co website are owned by global people
and thousands of .co domains owned by global people
the extension are popular worldwide
and dont ever think that all of this high .co sales come from columbia buyers
so the extension still growing

Thanks Petra, I was hoping that was the case, but I have been reading some negative stuff lately and wondered if I had made a bad decision buying dot co domains. If the extension is still growing maybe I should hold on to them for a while.
 
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Thanks for that, I'm still a little unsure of what .co is supposed to be officially?

My understanding was that a new extension for Columbia was created, and .co was then re branded in a sense to represent company, just like .com represents commercial. Correct me if I am wrong please.

If this is the case, I can see it taking time for people to get used to it, and for it to grow. In which case maybe I should hold on to my dot co domains a little longer, although they do have higher renewal fees.

Looking at namebio, the pricing for dot co seems more unpredictable than dot com, I am scratching my head at some of the sales, some seem too low, some too high, maybe I just don't have enough knowledge yet.

Thanks for the help!
 
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It was supposed to be a shorter .com. At least thats how they tried to rebrand it in 2010. Like .cm. But it fizzled out years ago. Now that the nGTLD arrived they are even harder to justify buying.

Buy .com. That stands for company, commercial, communication. You name it.

And yes .co is the ccTLD of Colombia.. Still.
 
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It was supposed to be a shorter .com. At least thats how they tried to rebrand it in 2010. Like .cm. But it fizzled out years ago. Now that the nGTLD arrived they are even harder to justify buying.

Buy .com. That stands for company, commercial, communication. You name it.

And yes .co is the ccTLD of Colombia.. Still.

Thanks Promo, that cleared everything up for me, so probably not a good extension to buy, live and learn. Some of the information I had was probably old, so I am playing catch up.

Cheers,

Fin
 
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It was supposed to be a shorter .com. At least thats how they tried to rebrand it in 2010. Like .cm. But it fizzled out years ago. Now that the nGTLD arrived they are even harder to justify buying.

Buy .com. That stands for company, commercial, communication. You name it.

And yes .co is the ccTLD of Colombia.. Still.
Out of the total of around 2.5 million registrations, only around 5% are in South America(including Columbia) 60% in Us and 15% in Europe and 15 in Australia and New Zealand, so not really a columbian extension. Out of 9 .co's sold by me to end users int he last year, just one of them was to South America, most of them were in US. You will never get the same price like for a .com, but if you know what are you are buying, it can bring you a fast ROI and sometimes less waiting time.
 
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Its still the ccTLD of Colombia.. And it is still outperformed by .com by leagues.

I agree they got a lot of foreign investors onboard. Not sure if its a good sign that local investors are not interested?

Care to tell us which 9x .co you sold and for how much? I can then tell you about the 4000+ .COM domains I sold last year. I would pick .com any day of the year.
 
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Its still the ccTLD of Colombia.. And it is still outperformed by .com by leagues.

I agree they got a lot of foreign investors onboard. Not sure if its a good sign that local investors are not interested?

Care to tell us which 9x .co you sold and for how much? I can then tell you about the 4000+ .COM domains I sold last year. I would pick .com any day of the year.
Probably the 4000+ .com sold are because you are brokering and selling in bulk most of them and I don't know any end user buying in bulk. I have told about my .co sales to some of the namepros members, but if I post them publicly the buyers will get bombarded with .co offers. Most of the sales are under 1k or low xxxx, but if you count the ROI, buying for 2-3$ with coupons and selling them for under a year, than a lot of us should be happy...for you probably it's not worthed to broker .co's, but others will be happy with the results.
 
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You are right. They were sold to investors and the bulk of them were sold in the 500-1500 USD range. But thats on random 4L.COM names. So random .com names sold to investors outperforms (one word?) .COs sold to End Users. Should be food for thought.

I would recommend .COM for new investors over .CO. They are cheaper, have global reach (real global reach), command brand awareness, are liquid and sell for higher prices.

.CO is a crap shoot. How many 2$ regs did you have to make to get those 9 sales? .. And if you renew any how much do you pay? ..

Buy a 4L.COM and you can be certain you have liquid value and an investment instead of a .CO lottery ticket. I have been buying/regging 4L.COMs since 2006 and never regretted it.

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Further in my experience End Users hate .co ... Here is a very informative thread in that regard:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/why-co-will-will-not-do-well.691140/
 
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So it's officially a country code extension for Columbia, but used globally for business, makes it kind of a mixed up extension in my mind. I do like it though, very short, and the co reminds me of a company first and foremost.

I took a punt on a few .co domains and am glad I only bought a handful because the renewal fees are higher than dot coms. When the time comes I will have to think about whether I should renew or not, but I think I have some good ones there. I think I read that a good dot co can be worth 5% the value of a dot com.

Anyway thanks again guys, very helpful!
 
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No offence Finbar but none of the names you listed are worth renewing. I would venture that even boker would agree with that.
 
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You are right. They were sold to investors and the bulk of them were sold in the 500-1500 USD range. But thats on random 4L.COM names. So random .com names sold to investors outperforms (one word?) .COs sold to End Users. Should be food for thought.

I would recommend .COM for new investors over .CO. They are cheaper, have global reach (real global reach), command brand awareness, are liquid and sell for higher prices.

.CO is a crap shoot. How many 2$ regs did you have to make to get those 9 sales? .. And if you renew any how much do you pay? ..

Buy a 4L.COM and you can be certain you have liquid value and an investment instead of a .CO lottery ticket. I have been buying/regging 4L.COMs since 2006 and never regretted it.
You are right, but you have to count the ROI as well, not everybody can afford to invest hundreds of thousands to buy .com in bulk and if you buy a 4L.com and sell it for even for double that it will not cover the looses for the others. There is one guy here, I think he's from Canada and he invested everything in 4l.com but with the prices fluctuating and high acquisition cost he barely stayed on profit at the end of the year and now I think he's trying the brandables investments. You can't compare the ROI of .com and .co, because of the high acquisition cost of com. I bought around 40 of them last year for 2-3$, sold 9 to end users and another 20 of them to resellers for xx amounts. Let's take for example an average sale of 600$-700$, that's 300-350 more than what you paid, you can't do this with .com If you count on numbers game, like you it's very likely it's worth it, but that's involve time, skills and a big investment( as well as risks) and not everybody it's up for this. There is one guy here who is testing the numbers game regarding .co's, he bought a couple of weeks ago around 1500 'co for 1$ each....we will see the results next year...if he manage to have at the same sale through rate like me in the last year, 9 out of 40, he will be rich next year. Even if we are talking about half of that and it's still a big ROI. Also, it's hard to loose money with them, it's almost impossible not to sell at least 1500$ worth from 1500 names, so no risks as well.
 
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No offence Finbar but none of the names you listed are worth renewing. I would venture that even boker would agree with that.
Yes, you are right again... to sell them you will do it mostly to end users from tech and science related industries, so you need one word, or two very strong words(harder to sell) or a cvcv with some king of meaning. Just for the sake of example I will point out two sales at least you can see what sells: varan and parsec. Varan is a new brand of watches made in New York and 'Parsec' is astronomy related they said that it's for a new project but not started yet.
 
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I highly disagree with that statement. Its easy to buy 1500x names and not sell a single one.

Ask the 1 penny xyz buyers about that. Or the .co buyers that dropped those 1500 your guy regged.

Actually I would turn it around and say its better to have 1 great name than 1500 crap ones. One name to market. One name to maximise ROI on. And if needed one name to renew.
 
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Thanks guys, it's not nice to hear but you have probably saved me money on renewals there. It's good watching the back and fourth, am hoping some of this knowledge rubs off lol

I find it difficult to judge value, even after a couple months reading, I still do not know why some names sell for so high, a lot of them look ugly to me, and the names I like turn out to be worthless. I will stick at it, but am wondering if there is a "domainer brain" I'm sure some of you guys have a sense I lack.

I think I am done with hand reg, it becomes compulsive,

Thanks again guys! you have both been very helpful!

Fin
 
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I highly disagree with that statement. Its easy to buy 1500x names and not sell a single one.

Ask the 1 penny xyz buyers about that. Or the .co buyers that dropped those 1500 your guy regged.

Actually I would turn it around and say its better to have 1 great name than 1500 crap ones. One name to market. One name to maximise ROI on. And if needed one name to renew.
That why domaining is so loved, you can make money in different ways. One of the domaing guru's was saying a few months ago is that if you want to sell a name for 100k you have to buy it when is at 2.5k and wait 5 to 10 years until it sells. I can bet that it's easier and faster to reach that 100k by investing that 2.5k in hand reg or closeouts and and sell them for an average of 200$ Lets say that half are hand regged with coupons so 1$ and half of them are closeout's, so an average acquisition cost of 5$ each that means 500 names for 2.5k. I think that it's easier to sell them for an average of 200$ to reach that 100k and to reahc it faster, than to sell the 2.5k name for 100k. Also, the risk's are way to big for the 2.5k name, in a few years you could even loose money, if it's not the right buy 100%. The guy who did this with .co it's in domaining fofr over 10 years I think and he sells hand reg doing outbound every day, so probably he knows what he's doing. If you have just started it will be way more hard to make a profit.
 
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Thanks guys, it's not nice to hear but you have probably saved me money on renewals there. It's good watching the back and fourth, am hoping some of this knowledge rubs off lol

I find it difficult to judge value, even after a couple months reading, I still do not know why some names sell for so high, a lot of them look ugly to me, and the names I like turn out to be worthless. I will stick at it, but am wondering if there is a "domainer brain" I'm sure some of you guys have a sense I lack.

I think I am done with hand reg, it becomes compulsive,

Thanks again guys! you have both been very helpful!

Fin
I think that the only way to learn the value of them it's through experience, so you should use a lot of coupons to reg them as low as possible and use the time to learn. I you go strait to auctions you will loose big, because you compete with guys with a lot of experience so the result can be just two ways: or you will overpay, because the old guys will know when to stop or you will loose every time to them, because they have more money, more knowledge of what sells and a bigger customer base.
 
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I'll start off with a disclaimer. I'm equally invested into .CO and .COM so that will definitely increase my chances of choice-supportive bias - or at least some type of post-purchase cognitive bias that prevents me from being completely neutral.

There are valid points on both sides of the argument. For me:

The downsides of .CO
- Yes, some traffic loss. If you have the money, .COM is king, I'll be the first to agree to that.
- Renewal fees! (Although, I think this keeps the extension clean and prevents usage for spam / bots)
- As a domainer, they're never going to command the same money as .COM
- For the reasons above, it's not a domainer-friendly extension - it's expensive to keep and not the easiest to sell!

The advantages of .CO

- It's possible to pick up some great keywords for a fraction of their .COM equivalent.
- A good one-word .CO can still be bought for $XX and sell for 4-figures+
- I feel like things have moved on somewhat since 2010. I don't see as much confusion between .COM and .CO (although some will always remain).
- Many countries are familiar with using .CO.** as part of their cctld - .CO.uk, .CO.jp, .CO.kr, .CO.za etc - there's a potential upgrade path here for when the straight-swap .COM is unobtainable.
- There is also an upgrade path for end-users coming off longer .COM or hyphenated-COMs - both of which will already experience traffic loss and misspells (impacting email and traffic)
- I personally, like short and snappy domains for business brands. The trade-off with a long .com is that people have to remember extra words. I'd rather have word.co than wordwordword.com where the additional words are unnecessary. The extra variable to remember just alternates to the other side of the dot (the extension).
- The letters CO have represented the word 'Company' for hundreds of years before COM. There are vast quantities of brands that end in '& Co' or 'Co'.

Regardless of extension:

- Poor quality domains will still be poor quality domains, no matter how long you hold them
- Renewing domains without any type of strategy increases portfolio maintenance costs, eating into profits.
- Not knowing how to find potential prospects limits ability to research and invest in 'end-user' quality domains
- Once you can identify prospects, not having confidence to do outbound sales limits you to awaiting inbound enquiries and/or assuming that nobody wants them.
- Buying domains without any end-users in mind limits ROI (unless Liquid, but I'll come onto that)
- It's easy for experienced domainers to say to a new domainer - 'buy one great .COM instead of 100 other .COM/non-COMs' but in reality, this is really hard for someone to do without having experienced what constitutes a 'great' domain vs a crap one.
Yes, theoretically its possible to learn this through a few days of extensive research, but great domains have a high-barrier to entry - they can't be found for a few hundred bucks.
In reality, most of us think we know better and then learn through our own experiences/mistakes. Better to do this with a couple of hundred bucks than several thousand.

A final point about investment styles / suggested certainty of liquid values...
100% agree with @promo , new investors/domainers should stick to .COM - because like for like, any other extension is harder to sell and more expensive to renew.
However, I don't get the whole concept of random 4L.com having persistent/safe monetary storage value... it feels like tulip-mania to assign a floor price to something that nobody would ever use and call it an asset. For me, the probability of an end-user wanting the domain is it's true connection to value. If the only other people that see value in a domain are other investors (not end users), it's worthless to me.

When it comes to domains, I also personally prefer calculated risks (call it lottery tickets) over safe investment. That's just me - I like the risk/return of exponential payoff with domains rather than market movement of a commodity-like asset. For safe (passive) investment, it makes more sense to push money into indices, bonds and ETFs - even equities.
I'd question how many people (outside of China) become domainers or start domain trading because they're looking for safe investments or non-fiat storage. Most people (myself included) are initially drawn into this like moths to a flame, watching DomainSherpa interviews and hearing about rags to riches stories on a XX into XX,XXX flip. Then the reality sets in... most of us learn the hard way, it's not that easy.
I digress, but my point is that a strong .CO portfolio can still produce yields. It will just have a larger standard-deviation of ROI than a 4L.com portfolio of equal value - therefore, it represents higher risk. If you can't afford the risk in the first place, it's not worth it at all.

Lastly, if you're a beginner starting to build a portfolio that includes non-COM, you shouldn't put all your eggs into one basket. By eggs, I mean money. And by 'basket', I mean TLD and/or niche. It restricts your ability to learn and increases your overall risk.
 
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I'm still a little unsure of what .co is supposed to be officially?

Officially it is supposed to be cctld of Colombia, end of story.

But is it confined to Colombia only - of course not, just like many other cctlds. Will it ever become anywhere near as popular as dotcom, I don't think so, but who knows...

Personally for me, the major issue is not that domain belongs to a country, but confusion: many people will always think it's a typo, that you forgot or ommited "m" at the end, so they will type com instead of co.
 
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All sold .CO domains above $1K - there are no one Columbian buyer.
 
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Lets bump this thread.
Looks like the key to .co is that it represents 'company'.

Is it a bad idea to invest in popular keywords in .co, if they cannot be the name of a company?
 
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