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Once in awhile I see people bidding on their own domains at NJ. I would think it would be frowned upon.

Today's seems more obvious than normal. Or am I missing something here?

Airlinejobs.com owned by Andy Booth at Booth.com and high bidder is BQDNcom (James Booth).

3 bids down we see Boothcom as a bidder.

Same thing with MovieZone.com. Owned by Andy Booth in which he currently appears to be the high bidder.

High Bid: $2,475 USD by boothcom

They actually won their own domain airplanesforsale.com. Im guessing it didnt get as high as they wanted so needed to protect it.

Bidder Amount Date
bqdncom $2,001 7/17/2017 12:23 PM
boothcom $1,950 7/17/2017 12:23 PM
 
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Based on the comment from Oliver, changing the reserve to Next Bid Wins was something that was faxed to NameJet. It doesn't appear to be something that can be done on the website frontend.
 
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I just don't understand how it would be possible to set an auction to Next Bid Wins right after HKDN came in with a large bid over and over again. That's weird.

Even Shane thought it was weird.
 
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So you extensively bid on your own auctions and you were not banned from NameJet. Am I missing something?

*** Explain all here if you read it:
I won allot of good deals then ran to wining about 4 of my domains and it go closed down due to this.
I was bidding on ALL LLL.com and ALL short names



Winner888:
I have a automated bidding system that would backorder ALL the domains and bid last minute to grab bargains.
Its a script works via api would bid on all CVCV up to $2500-3000 i set daily limit on the patterns i would want to buy.
On slow days i got good deals on short domains i trade in
LLLL.com / CVCV.com / LL.com / LLL.com / NNNN.com / NNNNN.com / CCC.com etc...
I won allot of domains and a few of mine so this got closed down months ago already due to this..
Im trying to fix to be able to exclude all my domains.
 
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I won allot of domains and a few of mine so this got closed down months ago already due to this..
Im trying to fix to be able to exclude all my domains.

Bids that hit reserve:
We do allot of next bid wins. Most of you don't know how this works.
My auctions have a reserve price. On the last day of the auction or in the last few hours
I see what the high bids are and then send namejet a list of domains ask to to set next bid wins.
So it is not that someone is bidding just under reserve.
I am lowering the reserve to just above the highest bid so that the next bid hits reserve and the domain will sell.
Just lowering reserve. Flippa has this same function built into their seller platform. You can reduce reserve any time.
Buyers are bidding the amount that they are willing to bid. I am not changing that.
I just lower reserve with next bid wins so that more domains sell.

Oliver.

Two comments here:

1. You have to be sending a list of domains to Namejet that you are selling, incorporating a script into your bot to exclude stuff from a list is very simple, like a few hours of work if that for a developer. This excuse does not pass the sniff test.

2. This part about Namejet is very troubling to me. Flippa lets you lower reserve, fine, but Namejet is creating a false bid? Bids are currency, people trade on them, so Namejet is artificially inflating the currency and doing so in a non-transparent way. The GM has been in here and commented multiple times, he could have mentioned this but of course it is not a good story so he hasn't said anything. Sorry, but if this is what is going on then Namejet is ripping off people. Also, not kind of you to allow them to do to people either. If your domains have trouble getting bids near your reserve then you know what, higher your starting price instead of allowing Namejet to create a false bid on your behalf. Shame on both.
 
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I am not here accusing anybody of anything, but as @Oliver Hoger said he was not HKDN I decided to do a little digging.

One of Oliver's domains is these.com, it has his name on the whois. The domain is pointing to ParkingCrew, and it has a DRID of as-drid-2397039701937088.

One of HDKN's domains is spreader.com, the whois shows that Marque Solutions with an email address of [email protected] owns the domain. The domain is also pointing to ParkingCrew, and it has the same exact DRID of as-drid-2397039701937088.

This means that Oliver and HKDN are sharing the same account with ParkingCrew. I did find multiple examples like this.

These are facts, no BS. Oliver and HKDN are the same person.

Donny
 
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*** Explain all here if you read it:
I won allot of good deals then ran to wining about 4 of my domains and it go closed down due to this.
I was bidding on ALL LLL.com and ALL short names



Winner888:
I have a automated bidding system that would backorder ALL the domains and bid last minute to grab bargains.
Its a script works via api would bid on all CVCV up to $2500-3000 i set daily limit on the patterns i would want to buy.
On slow days i got good deals on short domains i trade in
LLLL.com / CVCV.com / LL.com / LLL.com / NNNN.com / NNNNN.com / CCC.com etc...
I won allot of domains and a few of mine so this got closed down months ago already due to this..
Im trying to fix to be able to exclude all my domains.
Please help us understand how you set Next Bid Wins right after large bid by HKDN?
 
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I just don't understand how it would be possible to set an auction to Next Bid Wins right after HDKN came in with a large bid over and over again. That's weird.

Even Shane thought it was weird.

There is an example presented by @Bram C. that shows an exception...

Polp.com is owned by me (purchased it from someone from NP not so long ago) so I put it on NJ.
I don't know the Booth brothers nor Oliver. I have no connection to them. If russell and hkdn are bots I have no idea how they would know my reserve on my domain? Btw , the highest bid of HKDN on my auction was $501 and that wasn't even close to my actual reserve (which was over $1K).
 
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I haven't found anything about changing reserves yet. Can anyone clarify what is allowed?

I think the possible trick becomes, because reserves appear to be allowed to be changed, somebody in cahoots could potentially bid the domain to just under the reserve price showing value in the domain, just like any other auction where the buyer spends more than initially intended, but figure why not -- others see the same value I do so it won't be a huge loss is liquidation is needed, then because the reserve was also lowered from the initial estimated reserve maybe this is vague because of the vague range revealed in reserves the next real bidder's bid becomes valid at a price point the one's allegedly orchestrating the scheme are willing to sell for.
You need to add to the realm of possibilities that there simply is no trick. I think also you have to be careful tossing around words like "scheme" before you have all the facts of the matter. It probably comes down to each venue's specific TOS, but like I said above, changing/lowering reserves after an auction is already in play is a common, legitimate option. (-edit- corrected my error)
 
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So automated bots are allowed in NJ? Does that mean anyone can send their bots in? Or is this a special concierge service? Lol. Does anybody know in the TOS?
NameJet does provide an API but you will only be approved if you spend enough cash.
 
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To clarify, the bidder handles in question are HKDN (not HDKN) and Winner8888 (not Winner888).
 
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Can we all just take a deep breath and take 5 minutes out so I can try and catch up.
This hare set running by Andrew and OP is too fast when your brain plods like mine
 
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So I guess this means that the whole idea of Natural Bidding versus Unnatural Bidding doesn't mean anything. The NameJet platform allows for Unnatural bidding.

Also, the Next Bid Wins thing seems unfair. I think it is wrong. I understand adjusting a reserve but it should not be to "Next Bid Wins". It should be the opposite. You should be able to adjust your reserve but NOT so that the next bid wins.
 
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So I guess this means that the whole idea of Natural Bidding versus Unnatural Bidding doesn't mean anything. The NameJet platform allows for Unnatural bidding.

Also, the Next Bid Wins thing seems unfair. I think it is wrong. I understand adjusting a reserve but it should not be to "Next Bid Wins". It should be the opposite. You should be able to adjust your reserve but NOT so that the next bid wins.

Agreed.
 
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So you extensively bid on your own auctions and you were not banned from NameJet. Am I missing something?

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Winner888:
I have a automated bidding system that would backorder ALL the domains and bid last minute to grab bargains.
Its a script works via api would bid on all CVCV up to $2500-3000 i set daily limit on the patterns i would want to buy.
On slow days i got good deals on short domains i trade in
LLLL.com / CVCV.com / LL.com / LLL.com / NNNN.com / NNNNN.com / CCC.com etc...
I won allot of domains and a few of mine so this got closed down months ago already due to this..
Im trying to fix to be able to exclude all my domains.
 
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I think there is some explaining to do regarding this "Next Bid Wins" program. That might be a large part of this entire problem.

@NameJetGM you should explain this.
 
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I am not here accusing anybody of anything, but as @Oliver Hoger said he was not HKDN I decided to do a little digging.

One of Oliver's domains is these.com, it has his name on the whois. The domain is pointing to ParkingCrew, and it has a DRID of as-drid-2397039701937088.

One of HDKN's domains is spreader.com, the whois shows that Marque Solutions with an email address of [email protected] owns the domain. The domain is also pointing to ParkingCrew, and it has the same exact DRID of as-drid-2397039701937088.

This means that Oliver and HKDN are sharing the same account with ParkingCrew. I did find multiple examples like this.

These are facts, no BS. Oliver and HKDN are the same person.

Donny

Donny is an owner of a parking company. So I would say that his analysis of anything parking - related can be considered as one a few undisputable facts, or authoritative opinions, which we really have in this thread (as most posts are just "imho"s somewhat related to the subject). Thank you so much Donny for spending time and efforts in this thread...
 
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I am not here accusing anybody of anything, but as @Oliver Hoger said he was not HKDN I decided to do a little digging.

One of Oliver's domains is these.com, it has his name on the whois. The domain is pointing to ParkingCrew, and it has a DRID of as-drid-2397039701937088.

One of HDKN's domains is spreader.com, the whois shows that Marque Solutions with an email address of [email protected] owns the domain. The domain is also pointing to ParkingCrew, and it has the same exact DRID of as-drid-2397039701937088.

This means that Oliver and HKDN are sharing the same account with ParkingCrew. I did find multiple examples like this.

These are facts, no BS. Oliver and HKDN are the same person.

Donny
Spreader is the name that I called Jonathan about because I was outbid at the last minute by HDKN. I felt it was Oliver thinking it was going too cheap so he picked it back up. But I couldn't prove it. Donny is proving I may be right.
 
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As stated by others API's care common.

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I haven't found anything about changing reserves yet. Can anyone clarify what is allowed?


I think the possible trick becomes, because reserves appear to be allowed to be changed, somebody in cahoots could potentially bid the domain to just under the reserve price showing value in the domain, just like any other auction where the buyer spends more than initially intended, but figure why not -- others see the same value I do so it won't be a huge loss is liquidation is needed, then because the reserve was also lowered from the initial estimated reserve maybe this is vague because of the vague range revealed in reserves the next real bidder's bid becomes valid at a price point the one's allegedly orchestrating the scheme are willing to sell for.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/giant-shill-bidding-operation-at-namejet-exposed.1013479/
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I'm pretty sure Flippa allows you to change your reserve amount later on in your auction.
 
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You need to add to the realm of possibilities that there simply is no trick. I think also you have to be careful tossing around words like "scheme" before you have all the facts of the matter. It probably comes down to each venue's specific TOS, but like I said above, changing/lowering reserves after an auction is already in play is a common, legitimate option. (-edit- corrected my error)

Thanks. There is definitely times where this isn't a scheme. Probably way more often than not by far. I'm simply pointing out how it could work, and what to look for. Regarding using the word scheme, I believe I used the word allegedly and possible to make it clear this isn't stated as fact -- rather as a comment open for debate.

I searched fairly hard on industry blogs to see if people were allowed to lower a reserve price on NameJet. (still looking for somebody to clarify how NJ handles reserved being lowered mid auction since I can't find public evidence) Even searched for such updates, like on flippa, RESERVE LOWERED, but I couldn't find it for a NameJet auction. I found a lot of this happening on Flippa, and I don't believe NamePros is allowed to operate with reserves. If the mechanism to lower the reserve is not well known (or known only to a few or extended to a select few) than this shows an exception which may or may not give them access (possibly unavailable to others) to a possible lowered reserve upbid scheme.
 
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I am not here accusing anybody of anything, but as @Oliver Hoger said he was not HKDN I decided to do a little digging.

One of Oliver's domains is these.com, it has his name on the whois. The domain is pointing to ParkingCrew, and it has a DRID of as-drid-2397039701937088.

One of HDKN's domains is spreader.com, the whois shows that Marque Solutions with an email address of [email protected] owns the domain. The domain is also pointing to ParkingCrew, and it has the same exact DRID of as-drid-2397039701937088.

This means that Oliver and HKDN are sharing the same account with ParkingCrew. I did find multiple examples like this.

These are facts, no BS. Oliver and HKDN are the same person.

Donny

buyer HKDN probably never updated the name servers or maybe never added domain to their own parking crew account
 
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