Holo vs VR vs MR vs AR vs any other reality (All realities)

[VRdommy]

Intel Project Alloy - A Must Read
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3108...first-open-source-third-party-vr-headset.html

The pace of change with new VR product designs is about to increase exponentially.
And while this is one thing to move that along, it's not the only thing.

...MORE...
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/intel-project-alloy-vr-ar-merged-reality

 

[VRdommy]

I don't see huge demand, but I would put it in the same bracket as 'stereoscopic' a few years ago. I'm pretty sure back in 2009 quite a number of people would have bought the best adult stereoscopic +keyword domain for x,xxx (I probably would have) but if I remember correctly the owner was asking for xxx,xxx.

I understand. I guess my point is I don't see a wide use that would warrant buying more than a few hardware names. I think they will have a separate descriptive term for what it will do in/for applications & content if we ever get that far with it. And that's what everyone seems to be buying. Content names.

They may use a 12DOF term to describe it in content, or something similar or a made-up word for the content advantages it will provide. This I think it's to be decided yet when it actually is in the marketplace and why I see no path for it (for content). Hardware names in target of those that produce the tech I think are in limited play. It will likely have competing tech that does the same thing.
I'll wait for the market to hint to me what that's going to be.

More on Facebook cams...
https://econsultancy.com/blog/69013-what-do-facebook-s-new-vr-and-ar-platforms-mean-for-marketers/

 

[Kingslayer]

Just reading Facebooks plan for Augmented Reality at yesterday’s conference.

What’s interesting is (like Apple and many other companies) they are using the term ‘Augmented Reality’ and not ‘Mixed Reality’ for the same tech Microsoft are calling ‘Mixed Reality’.

It’s going to be interesting what everything does end up being called. Still think everything called fall under VR as VR headsets will end up being glasses form in a few years and do everything what AR/MR does along with VR (blocking out the real world).

But yeah, all a bit confusing right now - I blame Microsoft *looks at Elad and NamePov*

 

[Levi_charlz]

I'm putting my Crystal ball away for a while as it's hard to break the fog. Trying to foresee if AR/MR/AVR/VAR/MR/AUG....etc is going to come out on top is starting to make my head spin.

I'm going to focus on what's current and as far as I can see that's 360 and Live360. The tech is developed and market is ripe. With so much of the end user tech (smart phones) in mass circulation and the likes of Facebook releasing 360 Cameras (not to mention Facebook 360, YouTube and Twitter all pushing 360 as well) I think 2017-18 is going to be the year '360' is embraced in the commercial and public sector.

It's not that I've just regged a load of Live360 dn's.....honest

 

[MetaverseBranding]

Just reading Facebooks plan for Augmented Reality at yesterday’s conference.

What’s interesting is (like Apple and many other companies) they are using the term ‘Augmented Reality’ and not ‘Mixed Reality’ for the same tech Microsoft are calling ‘Mixed Reality’.

It’s going to be interesting what everything does end up being called. Still think everything called fall under VR as VR headsets will end up being glasses form in a few years and do everything what AR/MR does along with VR (blocking out the real world).

But yeah, all a bit confusing right now - I blame Microsoft *looks at Elad and NamePov*

"looks at Elad and NamePov"

What's it like looking at the future mate ?

 

[PowerDN]

XR/Services in king

 

[VRdommy]

Just reading Facebooks plan for Augmented Reality at yesterday’s conference.

What’s interesting is (like Apple and many other companies) they are using the term ‘Augmented Reality’ and not ‘Mixed Reality’ for the same tech Microsoft are calling ‘Mixed Reality’.

It’s going to be interesting what everything does end up being called. Still think everything called fall under VR as VR headsets will end up being glasses form in a few years and do everything what AR/MR does along with VR (blocking out the real world).

But yeah, all a bit confusing right now - I blame Microsoft *looks at Elad and NamePov*

...LOL... OK DUDE !
Well, I have warned of the twists and turns. And they are not done.
They all have a place, but to what degree is the $1M question.
I think there is no mistake on Facebooks choice of words. As with Apple.
MS took a leap and they are leaving them out to dry with it.
They should not have put their finger in the wind for such a short time with the marketing on this.

But back to the basics, those MR Goggles are not really MR and the hololens is not a MR device despite what MS or anyone else is saying about it. But I will play it as it plays out no matter the truth of it.
Only VR & MR blot out the real world. AR sees it as it is at least in part.
If those MR Goggles do not virtualize the entire real world, it's not MR.
It will be a overlay on cam video to help MS dev content for the Hololens.
But I see them as a primary cheap way to do VR.

Perhaps it is MIXED-UP Reality !
Oh... I have been expecting this definition war. It has not really begun yet. It will be interesting.
Expect it to heat-up before the Oculus Santa Cruz hits the market. And whatever Apple puts out there.

 

[MetaverseBranding]

The one thing I do like about Augmented Reality over Mixed Reality is that it's lots easier making Logo's

JUST STICK A RED LINE THROUGH THE MIDDLE AND JOB DONE LOL

AR Advertisements (.com)

 

[cordoba]

Just reading Facebooks plan for Augmented Reality at yesterday’s conference.

What’s interesting is (like Apple and many other companies) they are using the term ‘Augmented Reality’ and not ‘Mixed Reality’ for the same tech Microsoft are calling ‘Mixed Reality’.

Yeah, I was going to make the same point earlier but decided to see if anybody else would. I don't think the change of name for Windows Holographic to Windows Mixed Reality has helped the term really, unless Microsoft goes on to have market dominance, which is a bit unlikely. If Facebook and Apple aren't on board then I can't see MR becoming a universal name for this type of content. I checked the homepage of Robert Scoble's new company and it's interesting that he is using the term augmented reality as well as mixed reality (defining mixed reality as 'next generation augmented reality'). If mixed reality is just a superior form of augmented reality, I wonder why we really need another name, especially if Facebook/Apple will call their 3D augmented reality simply AR.

 

[Elad n]

after examining yesterday regs in most niches i noticed there was a really big peak in MR registrations last 2 days, mainly from china, i was expecting them to go all in on AR.

On that note, i dont like facebook, nor their moves, i believe they are way way off on the hardware side in MR AR and just trying to do some damage control.
its funny how zuk changes his opinion about AR being Apps before glasses, it was obvious to me AR is mainly apps

Interesting times.

 

[MetaverseBranding]

Yeah, I was going to make the same point earlier but decided to see if anybody else would. I don't think the change of name for Windows Holographic to Windows Mixed Reality has helped the term really, unless Microsoft goes on to have market dominance, which is a bit unlikely. If Facebook and Apple aren't on board then I can't see MR becoming a universal name for this type of content. I checked the homepage of Robert Scoble's new company and it's interesting that he is using the term augmented reality as well as mixed reality (defining mixed reality as 'next generation augmented reality'). If mixed reality is just a superior form of augmented reality, I wonder why we really need another name, especially if Facebook/Apple will call their 3D augmented reality simply AR.

People have to understand that augmented reality is what we will get in 2017.

Whenever Robert Scoble used the term Mixed Reality over the last couple of days Mark Zuckerberg liked it.

Like I said before Microsoft using the term Mixed Reality in 2017 wasn't really needed. But Mixed Reality combines elements of VR & AR. As a few tech people have mentioned over the last couple of days the merging of VR and AR is where the real future is at.

Once the tech becomes that advanced I believe Apple and Facebook will also use the term mixed reality to describe that advancement.

But for now AR perfectly fits the requirements.

In the news today even Facebook's top VR specialist was quoted mentioning the term mixed reality:

surprising message from Chief Oculus Scientist Michael Abrash at F8.

"Bright as the future of VR is though, and knowing what my team at Oculus Research is working on I'd say it's very bright indeed, there's one key area that will never be VR's strong suit: always on, go-everywhere, mixed reality," Abrash said.

 

[Elad n]

People have to understand that augmented reality is what we will get in 2017.

Whenever Robert Scoble used the term Mixed Reality over the last couple of days Mark Zuckerberg liked it.

Like I said before Microsoft using the term Mixed Reality in 2017 wasn't really needed. But Mixed Reality combines elements of VR & AR. As a few tech people have mentioned over the last couple of days the merging of VR and AR is where the real future is at.

Once the tech becomes that advanced I believe Apple and Facebook will also use the term mixed reality.

In the news today even the Facebook top VR specialist said this:

surprising message from Chief Oculus Scientist Michael Abrash at F8.

"Bright as the future of VR is though, and knowing what my team at Oculus Research is working on I'd say it's very bright indeed, there's one key area that will never be VR's strong suit: always on, go-everywhere, mixed reality," Abrash said.

Yes, not many noticed Abrash talk.

Besides i predict there will be some very big collaborations in the MR space, much to be revealed..

Amazon will join soon.

 

[VRdommy]

MS can justify their use of the term this way...

Windows Mixed Reality Allows Users Of VR and Users of AR to interact on the platform.
Mixed-Use/Interaction.
Originally, I thought that was intended. But there was so much FOG in that and MS did not clarify it.
Someone else will always define for you what you fail to define yourself. Happens in politics all the time and you might not like the result..

And when we say MR is AR and VR merged. You have to define MERGED.
As intended, MR shows virtual representations of the real world. But not the real world.
If it is good enough, you can't tell the difference. That's the point.
"AUGMENTED VIRTUALITY" was the concept that born MR.

While it contains elements of each concept represented, but not literally merged.

In any case it is the talking heads that have shot over their own understanding of it that created this mess.
But when the company's did not say what they meant, can you blame them ?

 

[Elad n]

MS can justify their use of the term this way...

Windows Mixed Reality Allows Users Of VR and Users of AR to interact on the platform.
Mixed-Use/Interaction.
Originally, I thought that was intended. But there was so much FOG in that and MS did not clarify it.
Someone else will always define for you what you fail to define yourself. Happens in politics all the time and you might not like the result..

And when we say MR is AR and VR merged. You have to define MERGED.
As intended, MR shows virtual representations of the real world. But not the real world.
If it is good enough, you can't tell the difference. That's the point.
"AUGMENTED VIRTUALITY" was the concept that born MR.

While it contains elements of each concept represented, but not literally merged.

In any case it is the talking heads that have shot over their own understanding of it that created this mess.
But when the company's did not say what they meant, can you blame them ?

They did, just not in high volume.
Their video is a true representation of what MR is.. They actually got a good strategy going.

 

[NamesBond]

Like the VRAR dot info

If you like the VR/AR dual-use configuration, what do you guys think of these names... Any legs? (And who decided VR comes before AR anyway... alphabetically, shouldn't it be AR/VR? )

VRAR glasses
VRAR apps
VRAR headset

 

[BostonDomainer]

If you like the VR/AR dual-use configuration, what do you guys think of these names... Any legs? (And who decided VR comes before AR anyway... alphabetically, shouldn't it be AR/VR? )

VRAR glasses
VRAR apps
VRAR headset

Well I can see the first 2, being plural, find demand either as a store or authority sites. As for positioning my personal preference is VRAR looks cleaner than ARVR and more companies using that format.2.5 times more from doing an inurl: search... I went a different direction with just 2 brandables:

EVRAR
VRARN

 

[VRdommy]

http://www.droidreport.com/articles...-ready-to-set-sail-before-the-end-of-2017.htm

 

[EmotiveDomains]

Lenovo’s Windows Holographic VR headset

This guy explains it better.

 

[VRdommy]

This guy explains it better.

It was not that I did not know more about it than they explained.
It was the terrible way it was explained. Common throughout media.
Most of these from Acer to HP and Lenovo are about the same thing.
As I said, someone will define what you fail to define.
You loose control of your message.
...

GoPro's 5.2k VR Cam
http://hothardware.com/news/gopro-fusion-spherical-360-degree-vr-52k-camera

 

[Onekey]

Google releases WebVR movie

http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/04/20/google-launches-tabel-experimental-webvr-film/

 

[Onekey]

Nice demonstration of WebVR

 

[VRdommy]

This is the kind of tech that has implications.
Apples new patent...
https://uploadvr.com/apple-patent-ar-furniture/
This would not be possible without that volumetric mapping.

 

[Manusakos]

Three Lytro Veterans Want to Build the Holographic Sci-Fi TV Set of the Future

http://variety.com/2017/digital/news/light-field-lab-holographic-tv-1202032848/

Holographic3DTV

 

[Bros]

Apple Files Patent For AR Tech That Conceals Virtual Objects Behind Real Ones
https://uploadvr.com/apple-patent-ar-furniture/
Apple is going to change the entire market when it releases a consumer product.

 

[BostonDomainer]

Apple Files Patent For AR Tech That Conceals Virtual Objects Behind Real Ones
https://uploadvr.com/apple-patent-ar-furniture/
Apple is going to change the entire market when it releases a consumer product.

Saw this coming after visiting Wayfair.com in Boston a few months ago.

FurnishAR.c|o|m

 

[LucidDomains]

Not sure if anyone posted the Abrash talk...