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It seems to me that the number of high quality (or even good quality) domains expiring / dropping has gone down significantly in the last 6 months or so. I browse the Namejet, Godaddy and Dropcatch lists frequently but very rarely find anything that I'm super excited about (although I don't really trade the 4L / numerics market). I was wondering if this is just me, or have others also noticed a significant drying up of the market?
 
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Hey Ian, assuming if the domain has been expired for a long time (over 1 year), will Google still pass the PR and link juice over to your site?

I think most of the link juice is due to the number and quality of backlinks to the domain. So if the domain retains the number and quality of backlinks the link juice should pass even after being expired for years.
 
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maybe the domain owners just don't want to let them go ????
 
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It seems to me that the number of high quality (or even good quality) domains expiring / dropping has gone down significantly in the last 6 months or so. I browse the Namejet, Godaddy and Dropcatch lists frequently but very rarely find anything that I'm super excited about (although I don't really trade the 4L / numerics market). I was wondering if this is just me, or have others also noticed a significant drying up of the market?

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Hey Ian, assuming if the domain has been expired for a long time (over 1 year), will Google still pass the PR and link juice over to your site?
Don't count on it. Google is smart enough to see if a domain was dropped. You might still get traffic from the old links, but probably very little organic search traffic for the new site.
 
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yes I was doing my weekly rounds of fishing and the last few months have not been great.
Domain King rick sells one name a year about 20 sales in 20 years.

Do you think the decline in good names has anything to do with china getting into the game more aggressively in last few years? or is it the drop catch services releasing fewer?
I suspect as easy as registars have bots with filters, all drops premiums previously set by then, they will autobuy. NNNN -LLLL- etc..etc...etc......etc........
 
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I am in the smae view with you, especially in Expireddomains most of the domain name are Typo domains ...
 
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High Value domains dont ever drop they will go to auction. Good domains drop daily but again they go to auction. Crumbs slide thru the cracks at times. The competition is fierce. Things have changed over the last two years. There's still money to be made from crumbs. If that is how you make your bread
 
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ICANN changed the rules a while back in regards to a high regard of making an attempt to notify owners of expiring domains. This proactive approach has probably saved many domains from entering the stream.

Go back 5 years there was not as many brokers in the game, now days, someone works for a domain sales company one year, the next year they are starting their own brokerage firm.

Yes, some people are paying what end users would pay on the aftermarkets. The funny thing is that domainers are paying more than end users. Domainers are an easier sell than the end user, as they know what domains sell for, whereas end users are clueless.

Unless you are building off a solid established portfolio already, and you are paying today's prices, be prepared to hold a while, and ready to lose money. Many of the players playing in the aftermarket, are selling their 96-2004 type domains, and sending that money back into the market. Whereas lots of new money is buying blind via credit card, or debt, and they are going to be in for a surprise on what this business is really like.

Escrow has not made things easy, after market commissions are creeping around 20% these type of factors really distract from reported domain sales, and what is actually received.
 
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HugeNames is playing in this area, paying $400 for domains like ClubFish.com, Stanley Pace is still bidding actively, I am seeing many new players with 300-1000 domains sitting in their portfolios. Many namepro members like Winnie Jang are paying up for brandables...

Many of these companies derive revenue from domainers, are are putting that capital right back into the market to compete directly with their customers. Really think about who you choose to do business with, your service providers, could be your worst competition, they have the luxury to use your profits against you, but you don't.
 
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after market commissions are creeping around 20% these type of factors really distract from reported domain sales, and what is actually received.

minus ( VAT ) taxes in some cases up to 50%
depending where you live
 
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There are definitely still some kicking around. Maybe not high quality but got end-user potential.

Last week I managed to get BlogJunky and ThemeTune and just tonight I got TexasTemp and EliteRigs. All in .com and all aged 10 years+.

It's soooo addictive looking through expiring list :glasses:
 
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Hugedomains and registrars are not letting much slip through their fingers...I spend more time at GD close out now than at expired list. The quality at closeout is annoying, just slightly better. I do go more Than 2 weeks before seeing something worthy. I recently registered signslondon, fastestbusinessloans, riderbike from the closeout.
 
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Hugedomains and registrars are not letting much slip through their fingers...I spend more time at GD close out now than at expired list. The quality at closeout is annoying, just slightly better. I do go more Than 2 weeks before seeing something worthy. I recently registered signslondon, fastestbusinessloans, riderbike from the closeout.
Huge domains alreddy catches everything, and sells it for crazy prices, so many of their auctions the past month were restarted as they were not paid for at dropcatch.

Then about 1.5 years ago they entered Godaddy auctions, and I have seen them pay close to $2k for some domains, at one point they jumping onto last minute bids with a $97 proxy.

Subpar name with some potential used to sell for about $102-$107, now you have to go over $200 to win them, as someone upped the floor.

That is just to much to pay, as some names take years, and others never sell. Stupid money is bidding on some names, some don't even make sense in English, and seeing non English speaking countries win them is not uncommon, just shows they have no clue what they are doing.

Other day at Godaddy within a few hours of the auction close, I was presented with a second chance offer as high bidder was disqualified, the next day the domain was redeemed. This could be that the domain owner was manipulating bids, I don't know, but I have never seen a same day disqualification of the high bidder.

That is why I say anytime you support drop catch, namebright you are proving huge names profits to come bid you up. If you like paying more, keep paying them more money, because clearly they are out for it all. They don't want to share with you, they are playing against you with your own money.
 
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Yeah, auctions are driving up the prices. I'm seeing plenty of average names being bid upon & prices driven up .. The same domains will not even sell here on NP for half the price.. I mean, the very same guys who are bidding there will not buy here. People are getting excited about drop auctions & driving up the prices.
 
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I mean, the very same guys who are bidding there will not buy here.

Are you sure they are the same guys ? Personally, I don't think so.
 
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May be.. but the point I'm trying to make is, these back-orders & drop auctions are driving ppl nuts! Did you notice the auction of 5111.com?! Crazy!
 
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So as you complained : Dropped list is not good enough, Auctions always overpaid.
How could we live in this industry now ? :xf.cry::xf.cry::xf.cry:
 
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So as you complained : Dropped list is not good enough, Auctions always overpaid.
How could we live in this industry now ?

You described it well, right now there exist few opportunities in auctions.

I am finding better opportunities with hand regs, believe it or not.
 
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You described it well, right now there exist few opportunities in auctions.

I am finding better opportunities with hand regs, believe it or not.
You have to know what your doing when it comes to hand reg. Not much gets overlooked.

You have more upside on hand reg if all the money is being paid up to acquire an aftermarket drop. It really hurts cashflow when you have to put up so much more money, then play the waiting game, as many will be doing.
 
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You have to know what your doing when it comes to hand reg. Not much gets overlooked.

You have more upside on hand reg if all the money is being paid up to acquire an aftermarket drop. It really hurts cashflow when you have to put up so much more money, then play the waiting game, as many will be doing.

Sure you have to know what you are doing. The same applies when bidding ;)
 
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Sure you have to know what you are doing. The same applies when bidding ;)
Well with the dropcatches you can pretty much piggyback off others research, and backorders with public dropcatch auctions.
 
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Well with the dropcatches you can pretty much piggyback off others research, and backorders with public dropcatch auctions.

While I don't question the quality of the caught domains, I certainly question the prices.
 
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If domainers are willing to bid up to $XXX in an expiring domain auction, why aren't they willing to pay the same price for an aftermarket domain listed at Godaddy, SEDO, etc?

To me I hand reg at go daddy! I really don't think about going there to buy after market. From a platform sense, it just seems off. Like it seems lifeless. I am sure that is weird for me to say. If I go to Ebay or Namepros it has a different feel. The energy just feels different. Granted this is coming from an educator that is trying to domain!
 
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You can guess where the venue is, but I flipped seethroughbras that I paid 25+ renewal and got 150 from the sale.
 
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