Is Adam Dicker a criminal? You decide.

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This story starts with DNF; a barren wasteland that once was a leading forum within the domain industry. While the forum itself played a huge role in propagating the myth that is Adam Dicker, the story really begins with DNF College in the summer of 2011.

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Updates / Reports
These are in no particular order.

• Report by headsupp (Resolved)
  • Relevant Videos
  • Reply to Adam
  • Update: Resolved
  
  
• Report by LannyB (Unresolved)
  • Response
    • Follow-up Questions
  
  
• Report by domainesque (Unresolved)
  • Update: Unresolved
  • Report Details
  • Update: Waiting on Refund
  
  
• Report of Shane Cultra's friends (Unresolved)
  • Update: Unpaid
  
  
• Report by Jeff Markus (Dissatisfied)
  
  
• Report by simmplex (Resolved)
  • Refunded
  
  
• Report by Blenja_Man (Pending)
  • Voucher
  • Update: Work in Progress
  
  
• Report by RandysDomains (Resolved)
  • Resolved
  
  
• Report by swamismith (Unresolved)
  
  
• Report by Charlie (Unresolved)
  • Cover-up
  • Update: Unresolved
  
  
• Report by Jaqpot (Unresolved)
  
  
• Report by anon22339 (Unresolved)
  • Details
  
  
• Report by Joseph Peterson (Resolved)
  • Update: Unpaid after 8 days
  • Update: Paid
  
  
• Report by Frank Schilling (Resolved)
  • Update: Paid
  
  
• Report by Lonewolf5503 (Paypal Dispute)
  • Update: Website not delivered and no longer accessible
  • Update: Lonewolf5503 wins PayPal dispute
  
  
• Report by GermanRaven (Unresolved)
  • Update: Full story
  
  
• Report by ClaudeDauman (Unresolved)
  
  
• Report by bobsranch (Unresolved)
  • Details
  • Update: Legal Letter Received
  
  
• Report by Newby888 (Unresolved)
  
  
• Report by dougasd (Unresolved)

From what I understand, Adam still owes north of $33,000 to previous customers and business partners. As I receive more information, I will update this figure.

 

[RandysDomains]

All of this off-topic crap is driving me crazy. I had a small issue with Adam - contacted him directly - and had a satisfactory resolution. Be direct with him and see if you get results!

As far as class-action suits - which have been discussed - the only people who make out on these are the lawyers. What's the difference between a lawyer and a carp? One is a scum-sucking bottom dweller and the other is a fish.

Peace, Y'all!

 

[domainesque]

All of this off-topic crap is driving me crazy. I had a small issue with Adam - contacted him directly - and had a satisfactory resolution. Be direct with him and see if you get results!

As far as class-action suits - which have been discussed - the only people who make out on these are the lawyers. What's the difference between a lawyer and a carp? One is a scum-sucking bottom dweller and the other is a fish.

Peace, Y'all!

Is that why Adam hired one?

 

[freedom30]

I agree,

I have read your posts too

-
...catcher in the wry...

 

[RandysDomains]

Is that why Adam hired one?

If you were in his shoes, what would you do? We have 100+ pages of people bashing him. Well, maybe 50 pages are off-topic - but yes, if I were him, I would seek legal representation. Who could blame him?

 

[S-B]

Who cares about what Shane wants? He's not on a mission trip to help save others. It's a publicity and ego trip.

There may be some valid claims being made as to Adam's business practices. He should defiantly sort it out and do right by his customers. Other than that, this is a waste of 120 pages IMO...

You aren't the smartest guy in the room so for the sake of everyone involved stop pretending like it.

 

[Keith]

You aren't the smartest guy in the room so for the sake of everyone involved stop pretending like it.

I've certainly never taken people for a ride at flippa and admitted it after a bitter split, like you have. Who's the half wit here?...

You play dirty and then try to act like you're saving the industry from others who play the same. You're pointing your finger in the mirror but are too blind to see it.

 

[S-B]

I've certainly never taken people for a ride at flippa and admitted it after a bitter split, like you have. Who's the half wit here?...

You play dirty and then try to act like you're saving the industry from others who play the same. You're pointing your finger in the mirror but are too blind to see it.

I'm not arguing you with here. Keep your off topic opinions out of here and my name our of your mouth.

 

[domainesque]

If you were in his shoes, what would you do? We have 100+ pages of people bashing him. Well, maybe 50 pages are off-topic - but yes, if I were him, I would seek legal representation. Who could blame him?

I don't....I have too.
btw, Can you pay me back the money he owes me? Then he can pay you back. Do you do think it's OK that I've gone for months without thousands owed to me and many others?

 

[RandysDomains]

Okay, Frank - I;ll ignore the comment from Jeff.

 

[Keith]

I'm not arguing you with here. Keep your off topic opinions out of here and my name our of your mouth.

Oh it's on topic. The topic is basically, "taking advantage" and your flippa days sing the tune. So as you requested I'll keep your name out of my mouth as SB is full of BS.

 

[RandysDomains]

I don't....I have too.

don't....I have too.
btw, Can you pay me back the money he owes me? Then he can pay you back. Do you do think it's OK that I've gone for months without thousands owed to me and many others?

How much does he owe you? Can you be specific? How much and for what?

 

[HeyNow]

Yes, but as far as I know a lie isn't a crime, unless it's told in court (when it's perjury) or as a means to defraud, when intent to defraud by this lie has to be proved in court. A lie of "the check is in the post" form is so common in business that I can't see it being regarded by a judge as criminal, no matter how blatant it is or how much difficulty it causes those owed money by a business. I could be totally wrong about this, of course, in which case the prisons should be even fuller than they are now.

Okay, I just couldn't resist pointing out some of your statements that need clarification, as far as I'm concerned:

1) Lying with the intent of separating someone or some business from their money based on that lie is a crime. Don't believe it? Just try lying on a loan application for a car or home then get caught doing it. You'll be able to plea it down, but you'll still do the perpwalk in handcuffs.

2) A lie "the check is in the post (mail)" only adds to the punishment. If you've told someone the check is in the mail only once or twice by the time it gets to court, the judge will be more lenient compared to 10 promises of "the check is in the mail," which turn out to be BS.

3) The prisons are plenty full. That's why, if someone is convicted of a non-violent felony, like some fraud, then the sentence is probably a year or less or suspended. However, the convicted individual is righteously branded for what he/she is: a felon.


Everyone who reads my posts here knows I'm no fan of fraud, auction shenanigans, promises not kept, breach of contract, and other cesspool-style behavior like cybersquatting and employees of auction entities bidding against clueless, outside customers. If it happened to me, I'd call the police immediately, file a police report and let the District Attorney handle it. If the cops or DA told me I had no case, then I'd walk away and lick my wounds. If half the claims and stories of misrepresentation here are true, then I'd expect to read about a police report or two filed somewhere. But oddly, I've not read any post which states someone filed a police report. To me, that tends to suggest that it's just not that serious an issue to any "victim." Baffling, truly baffling. If I've missed such a post, perhaps someone could steer me in the right direction.

 

[DomainGist]

Everyone who reads my posts here knows I'm no fan of fraud, auction shenanigans, promises not kept, breach of contract, and other cesspool-style behavior like cybersquatting and employees of auction entities bidding against clueless, outside customers. If it happened to me, I'd call the police immediately, file a police report and let the District Attorney handle it. If the cops or DA told me I had no case, then I'd walk away and lick my wounds. If half the claims and stories of misrepresentation here are true, then I'd expect to read about a police report or two filed somewhere. But oddly, I've not read any post which states someone filed a police report. To me, that tends to suggest that it's just not that serious an issue to any "victim." Baffling, truly baffling. If I've missed such a post, perhaps someone could steer me in the right direction.

Its true, its all posturing and point scoring from both sides now, unless somebody needs to file a case against somebody else its in danger of becoming a complete non-story. Whether that's Adam Dicker putting his money where his mouth is and attempting to prove libel, or those owed money filing a suit to get their money back, or the involvement of law enforcement.

Somebody suggesting taking it to the media networks, well that's a non-starter too, they won't touch it unless a lawsuit is filed or an arrest is made, "A businessman who is high profile in an industry that most of you know nothing about is alleged to owe numerous people of currently unknown identify on an internet forum that most of you will never of heard of a relatively small amount money, those people are considering filing a lawsuit or reporting a crime" = not a viable news story. Empty threats aren't news, unless they come from the mouths or fingers of celebrities or politicians.

Less words, more action, from either or both sides.

 

[WPM]

I have no business issues with ad other than the fact that anyone who creates a site called a#$holes dot whatever and has another called Satan's playhouse is unconsciouly projecting their inner self into the conscience realm .

Its 100% proven that the guilty who have the need to be in the limelight have to expose themselves in a way that doesn't implicate them directly but alludes to their inner most self but such actions.

As I said many posts ago its atypical psychopathic behaviour. The people burnt are the end result of such a person. It's the same results for the victims across the board when deceived, used and abused by such people.

Just a personal observation for what its worth.

:P

I agree. And it applies to anyone who watches porn in the dark as well. Because inside, we all want to be someone else.

You naughty kids...

 

[DomainGist]

If you were in his shoes, what would you do? We have 100+ pages of people bashing him. Well, maybe 50 pages are off-topic - but yes, if I were him, I would seek legal representation. Who could blame him?

Its clearly a stalemate, I'm beginning to see both sides of the argument here in all honesty. I don't excuse and will never excuse Adam Dicker's alleged actions at all, and it is clear to me that at least some of those on post #1 are owed money, a fact that Adam Dicker has pointed out himself (when he admitted there were legitimate claims).

But its a tricky situation. Is it going to be simple? Both sides are going to be paranoid about what happens post-financial settlement. Adam Dicker has some reasonable demands and remedies the issues and then what, Shane or others just drop 'part 2' out of spite?

On the other Shane accepts a resolution for those owed money which doesn't give certain assurances about further litigation, and the Adam Dicker afterwards starts trying to sue for NDA's and defamation in revenge?

On the face of it a resolution looks to be within grasp and relatively simple, lock the thread, agree to tidy up aspects of this thread subject to the agreement of namepros (e.g. any clearly incorrect or completely unfounded information, and information which is damaging but not directly relevant to the issues discussed in the original post), and in return all with legitimate claims are refunded (I say "legitimate" because one or two haven't even provided their details, its not even technically feasible to refund Jeff Markus for example).

But you can entirely understand why those listed on page #1 and Shane are unwilling to trust somebody who promises refunds, takes details on the pretense that it is to issue refunds, and then sends a legal letter instead.

And you can entirely understand why Adam Dicker is not confident that if he refunds in full and commits to certain other assurances, that this ends the campaign against him. Not saying that it wasn't a justified or necessary campaign, but I am conceding that there needs to be some sort of motivation for him to resolve now.

RandyDomains, you state what you would do if you were Adam Dicker, what would you do if you were Shane Bellone? You need to consider both sides here.

 

[Reality]

Its clearly a stalemate, I'm beginning to see both sides of the argument here in all honesty.

Dicker doesn't get to choose or dictate terms. He needs to do what is right, both legally and morally. He doesn't have a choice to abide by the law. By his own admission in earlier posts, he never delivered services in return for money that he received, and we're talking about significant amounts of money.

This is why it's imperative that the police in both jurisdictions are involved to ensure that everyone he has taken money from has received the services they paid for or is refunded.

 

[DomainGist]

Dicker doesn't get to choose or dictate terms. He needs to do what is right, both legally and morally. He doesn't have a choice to abide by the law. By his own admission in earlier posts, he never delivered services in return for money that he received, and we're talking about significant amounts of money.

This is why it's imperative that the police in both jurisdictions are involved to ensure that everyone he has taken money from has received the services they paid for or is refunded.

If people want to file a lawsuit for financial loss or report alleged crimes then they should stop talking about doing it and start actually doing it. It may even give them some leverage. What's stopping them?

I can't do it, I haven't suffered any financial loss or physical harm, those who feel that they are victims have to do it. Less words, more action.

If Shane wants to raise money to do the former (file a class action) then he needs to state that on his fundraising page and provide contact details for anybody who wants to join. If you ask me raising money to possibly respond to a letter which loosely implies a possible future libel action at a date which could be a long time in the future but will probably never happen is much less compelling than "we want to file this lawsuit asap, using this lawyer, it will cost us at least this much, help us".

What's stopping them? They want to defend the use of the word "criminal"? Then try and get him convicted of a crime, that's the obvious route to a potential complete vindication of the thread title.

Hypothetical: Adam Dicker wants to sue people for calling him a "criminal" when he hasn't been convicted of any crime.

Solution: Move swiftly to try and get him convicted for the crimes that you believe he has committed.

What would be a better form of defence?

What would people want to come first, the criminal investigation which can't be allowed to be impeded or jeopardised by a civil libel suit due to potential conflicts in the evidence used, or a libel suit which can't be impeded or jeopardised by a criminal investigation because that investigation simply doesn't exist. Think smart.

 

[domainesque]

Okay, I just couldn't resist pointing out some of your statements that need clarification, as far as I'm concerned:

1) Lying with the intent of separating someone or some business from their money based on that lie is a crime. Don't believe it? Just try lying on a loan application for a car or home then get caught doing it. You'll be able to plea it down, but you'll still do the perpwalk in handcuffs.

2) A lie "the check is in the post (mail)" only adds to the punishment. If you've told someone the check is in the mail only once or twice by the time it gets to court, the judge will be more lenient compared to 10 promises of "the check is in the mail," which turn out to be BS.

3) The prisons are plenty full. That's why, if someone is convicted of a non-violent felony, like some fraud, then the sentence is probably a year or less or suspended. However, the convicted individual is righteously branded for what he/she is: a felon.


Everyone who reads my posts here knows I'm no fan of fraud, auction shenanigans, promises not kept, breach of contract, and other cesspool-style behavior like cybersquatting and employees of auction entities bidding against clueless, outside customers. If it happened to me, I'd call the police immediately, file a police report and let the District Attorney handle it. If the cops or DA told me I had no case, then I'd walk away and lick my wounds. If half the claims and stories of misrepresentation here are true, then I'd expect to read about a police report or two filed somewhere. But oddly, I've not read any post which states someone filed a police report. To me, that tends to suggest that it's just not that serious an issue to any "victim." Baffling, truly baffling. If I've missed such a post, perhaps someone could steer me in the right direction.

We've all been patient....believing broken promises....No more!

 

[domainesque]

If people want to file a lawsuit for financial loss or report alleged crimes then they should stop talking about doing it and start actually doing it. It may even give them some leverage. What's stopping them?

I can't do it, I haven't suffered any financial loss or physical harm, those who feel that they are victims have to do it. Less words, more action.

If Shane wants to raise money to do the former (file a class action) then he needs to state that on his fundraising page and provide contact details for anybody who wants to join. If you ask me raising money to possibly respond to a letter which loosely implies a possible future libel action at a date which could be a long time in the future but will probably never happen is much less compelling than "we want to file this lawsuit asap, using this lawyer, it will cost us at least this much, help us".

What's stopping them? They want to defend the use of the word "criminal"? Then try and get him convicted of a crime, that's the obvious route to a potential complete vindication of the thread title.

Hypothetical: Adam Dicker wants to sue people for calling him a "criminal" when he hasn't been convicted of any crime.

Solution: Move swiftly to try and get him convicted for the crimes that you believe he has committed.

What would be a better form of defence?

What would people want to come first, the criminal investigation which can't be allowed to be impeded or jeopardised by a civil libel suit due to potential conflicts in the evidence used, or a libel suit which can't be impeded or jeopardised by a criminal investigation because that investigation simply doesn't exist. Think smart.

We're there...heard enough. To be clear No one here has called him a criminal. The 'question was asked Is AD a criminal? By the writer of the article. It was posed as a question.. I tried many times to get this resolved with AD quietly with emails etc. I was promised and made a fool of many times with an absolute guarantee of being paid "Tuesday latest Wednesday then Friday for sure!" Then it didn't happen. How many times can you be shit on? Game over! I am glad to talk to his attorney tomorrow. If I don't receive my money back via wire tomorrow. My claim will go up to what my attorney claims I am entitled to for losses and you can bet I will file a report with authorities. And I know I'm not alone.

 

[DomainGist]

We're there...heard enough. To be clear No one here has called him a criminal. The 'question was asked Is AD a criminal? By the writer of the article. It was posed as a question.. I tried many times to get this resolved with AD quietly with emails etc. I was promised and made a fool of many times with an absolute guarantee of being paid "Tuesday latest Wednesday then Friday for sure!" Then it didn't happen. How many times can you be sh*t on? Game over! I am glad to talk to his attorney tomorrow. If I don't receive my money back via wire tomorrow. My claim will go up to what my attorney claims I am entitled to for losses and you can bet I will file a report with authorities. And I know I'm not alone.

Clearly people got tired of Adam Dicker's constant empty promises of refunds which didn't materialise.

Unfortunately they also got tired of 21 days of empty threats of law suits being filed and police reports being made. Those didn't materialise either.

Arguably Adam Dicker has made more progress towards fulfilling his promises than the others have with theirs, considering the number of refunds stands at 4 and the total number of police reports & lawsuits stands at 0.

Tell me this, what is Shane Bellone fundraising for right now? Is it to waste other peoples money to-ing and fro-ing with a lawyer trying to reach a mutual settlement with somebody who has already broken several promises and used delaying tactics?

Or is it one of these more worthwhile causes:

1. Raising money to file a class action to put the issue in front of a judge.
2. The community crowdfunding to reimburse all of the people on post #1 themselves, so that they can stick two fingers up at any requests to butcher and lock this thread in return for refunds.

Both more worthwhile objectives than to waste more money and time replying to a generic letter or paying a retainer to somebody for a lawsuit which will probably never happen.

 

[Jen-Sin]

Not all claimants / victims / wholly dissatisfied customers have received a letter despite multiple requests for refunds.

I too have dealt directly with Adam. It has gotten me nothing. Not even a letter from his attorney. Just empty promises and, otherwise, silence.

I've never received a letter either. But I've seen the copy on the blog here. I wonder if Frank got a letter.

@anon22339, @domainesque and those who have not received any response from @Adam Dicker or his legal representative regarding your dispute,

instead of waiting,

I suggest you email @Adam Dicker and his legal representation Joel Reinhardt at adam (at) dcg.com and joel.reinhardt (at) gowlings.com to discuss resolution of your matter.

You may like to CC the email to @Shane Bellone , @SirDrago and @D. Wells as they appear to be representing and advising 20 other claimants, according to @carob.

Hi can anyone tell us what rate a Canadian lawyer charges per letter? $150? That's 20 letters so far... and if they have to go through the whole thread itemising posts for each individual poster and sending individual letters quoting them, as Pug requested in his case, that is a lot of lawyer hours to be billed to Dicker.

Actually maybe they only work for Dicker now if he pays in advance and that is why the letters waited till Friday.

You may also like to cc to Andrew Allemann at andrew (at) domainnamewire.com as well.

I’ve read a lot of claims over the past 24-36 hours. I’m not sure it’s getting us anywhere. I know that Shane Bellone (the author of the original blog post that started this discussion) plans to reveal more.

I’d like to collect some good information, rather than just basic accusations. I think this will be helpful in getting the full story. With that in mind, you can email me at andrew (at) domainnamewire.com if you believe you have been cheated. However, I only want the information in this format:

1. What you bought or your business deal and relevant dates
2. How much you paid, if applicable
3. What was delivered
4. How was this deficient compared to what you were promised
5. Do you have commitments (either prior to the transaction or afterward) that are in writing?
6. Did you ask for a refund? If so, did you receive a response? Include dates/details
7. Your name

E-MAIL THESE TO ME RATHER THAN POSTING A COMMENT IF YOU WANT ME TO TAKE A LOOK. You’re welcome to post a comment, but I’ll only look at the emails.

 

[DomainGist]

[ You may like to CC the email to @Shane Bellone , @SirDrago and @D. Wells as they appear to be representing and advising 20 other claimants, according to @carob.

I certainly haven't requested that any of those people represent me, and I'm presumably one of the 20 people to receive a letter. so please stop making assumptions.

 

[domainesque]

@anon22339, @domainesque and those who have not received any response from @Adam Dicker or his legal representative regarding your dispute,

instead of waiting,

I suggest you email @Adam Dicker and his legal representation Joel Reinhardt at adam (at) dcg.com and joel.reinhardt (at) gowlings.com to discuss resolution of your matter.

You may like to CC the email to @Shane Bellone , @SirDrago and @D. Wells as they appear to be representing and advising 20 other claimants, according to @carob.



You may also like to cc to Andrew Allemann at andrew (at) domainnamewire.com as well.

I have representation already if needed. I am well aware how these cases go and what to expect. I as of Friday tried to contact Adam one more time. I was ignored. I have lost complete trust in this man. I will call his attorney tomorrow and go from there.

 

[DomainGist]

I will call his attorney tomorrow and go from there.

You should be getting things in writing, not verbal, if you are serious about a potential court case.

 

[domainesque]

You should be getting things in writing, not verbal, if you are serious about a potential court case.

I have many things in writing already. Not just for court.