Scammed by Network Solutions?

[James Rodman]

EDIT POST: not sure who the scammer is. looks like NS might be

 

[James Rodman]

well that is an added element that could be cause for concern. the domain changed hands a number of times very quickly. is it possible that the original buyer charged back the amount to namejet?

original owner we did deal through flippa private deal.

 

[Chetan]

 

[domainerfella]

i bought this in end of august right after owner bought on namejet. go check namebio.com what are you talking about.... never mentiioned july anywhere

Okay, that was my mistake. sorry about that.

 

[James Rodman]

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Did you get any notice? The domain was renewed in July even i never got a notice about an expiration

 

[Ted.T]

Well, after this email, I'm sure NS just stole your domain. That's all. I doubt that you received any emails regarding renewing the domain...

 

[Jasonn]

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the domain sold on namejet august 28th. its impossible the domain would of expired. something else happened.

 

[James Rodman]

Well, after this email, I'm sure NS just stole your domain. That's all. I doubt that you received any emails regarding renewing the domain...

i didnt either when i had it

 

[James Rodman]

the domain sold on namejet august 28th. its impossible the domain would of expired. something else happened.

i guess stolen....

 

[James Rodman]

Okay, that was my mistake. sorry about that.

no problem

 

[DomainGist]

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When you took ownership of the domain, what expiry date was given?

Network Solutions have a long history of taking domains from accounts before the expiry date.

How long did you own the domain, when did you take ownership and when did it get taken from your account?

This is the type of practice which makes me stay well clear of NS, they do this stuff intentionally to make money through New Ventures..... its a cartel of crooks, always has been.

 

[Chetan]

i never received any notice

 

[johname]

All the changing hands in such a short period of time. Someone yo yo it back and NS gives a bogus excuse to cut the string.

Wild West Flipping Gone Bad.

Hold a domain for a while and dont use PayPal

 

[James Rodman]

When you took ownership of the domain, what expiry date was given?

Network Solutions have a long history of taking domains from accounts before the expiry date.

How long did you own the domain, when did you take ownership and when did it get taken from your account?

This is the type of practice which makes me stay well clear of NS, they do this stuff intentionally to make money through New Ventures..... its a cartel.

well for me when it was in my account the expiry date was what it shows on whois. july of 2016

 

[Eric Lyon]

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[Keith DeBoer]

I have no idea about this transaction but I just had a small $X transaction with Chetan on Sunday and it was smooth and easy. I hope you guys are able to work this out. Cheers!

 

[domainerfella]

well for me when it was in my account the expiry date was what it shows on whois. july of 2016

Bro, this is a temporary setting by the registrars. I have seen that many, many times. All domains that are being dropped will show a year of expiry left. I have seen this with domains in GoDaddy expiring. And in this case, this domain was under privacy. You mistook it for a year of expiry left.

Still the question remains, why lio.net didn't get the 1 year auto renewal with its purchase in Namejet?

From whom did you buy from in Flippa? Did he not pay NameJet? Why is it back in auction in NJ now? Is he going to be the villain here? Did Rodman get scammed by the Flippa guy?

 

[biggie]

some movement on this name for sure....

https://www.namepros.com/threads/lio-net-18-years-old.877375/

then from whoisology.com

Name Long Island Online Services, Inc (1)
Org. Long Island Online Services, Inc (1)
Email [email protected] (1)
Street 1 1/2 Eden Quay (1)
Street 2 -
City Dublin (214,539) (-6,808)
Region -
Zip / Post 1 (25,932) (-7,251)
Country IRELAND (392,426) (-19,485)
Phone 3539999999999 (503) (-52)
Fax 3539999999999 (1,217) (-28)
Registrar Name NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC. (5,729,068) (-468,520)
Created Date 1997-07-22 (1,340) (-320)
Whois Servers whois.networksolutions.com (6,094,819) (-472,179)
Updated Date 2006-09-22 (523) (-239)
Expires Date 2015-07-21 (290,317) (-22,589)
Name Servers NS77.WORLDNIC.COM (64,122) (-3,932)
NS78.WORLDNIC.COM (64,123) (-3,933)
Archive Date 2015-03-24
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to this:
Whois Server Version 2.0


Domain Name: LIO.NET
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 2
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: http://networksolutions.com
Name Server: NS1.SEDOPARKING.COM
Name Server: NS2.SEDOPARKING.COM
Status: clientTransferProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp Updated Date: 06-sep-2015
Creation Date: 22-jul-1997
Expiration Date: 21-jul-2016




Domain Name: LIO.NET
Registry Domain ID: 3318490_DOMAIN_NET-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Registrar URL: http://networksolutions.com
Updated Date: 2015-09-06T07:34:44Z
Creation Date: 1997-07-22T04:00:00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-07-21T04:00:00Z
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
Registrar IANA ID: 2
Registrar Abuse Contact Email:

Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.8003337680
Reseller:
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited http://www.icann.org/eppRegistry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: varma, chetan
Registrant Organization: DNX Corp.
Registrant Street: 8/a, mire layout
Registrant City: Nagpur
Registrant State/Province: Maharashtra
Registrant Postal Code: 440009
Registrant Country: IN
Registrant Phone: 918983670129
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email:

Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: varma, chetan
Admin Organization: DNX Corp.
Admin Street: 8/a, mire layout
Admin City: Nagpur
Admin State/Province: Maharashtra
Admin Postal Code: 440009
Admin Country: IN
Admin Phone: 918983670129
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax:
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email:

Registry Tech ID:
Tech Name: varma, chetan
Tech Organization: DNX Corp.
Tech Street: 8/a, mire layout
Tech City: Nagpur
Tech State/Province: Maharashtra
Tech Postal Code: 440009
Tech Country: IN
Tech Phone: 918983670129
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax:
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email:

Name Server: NS1.SEDOPARKING.COM
Name Server: NS2.SEDOPARKING.COM
DNSSEC: Unsigned
URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Repo

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then from whois.sc

Domain Name: LIO.NET
Registry Domain ID: 3318490_DOMAIN_NET-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Registrar URL: http://networksolutions.com
Updated Date: 2015-09-17T17:02:32Z
Creation Date: 1997-07-22T04:00:00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-07-21T04:00:00Z
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
Registrar IANA ID: 2
Registrar Abuse Contact Email:
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.8003337680
Reseller:
Domain Status: ok http://www.icann.org/epp#OK
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: PERFECT PRIVACY, LLC
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: 12808 Gran Bay Parkway West
Registrant City: Jacksonville
Registrant State/Province: FL
Registrant Postal Code: 32258
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +1.5707088780
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: [email protected]
Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: PERFECT PRIVACY, LLC
Admin Organization:
Admin Street: 12808 Gran Bay Parkway West
Admin City: Jacksonville
Admin State/Province: FL
Admin Postal Code: 32258
Admin Country: US
Admin Phone: +1.5707088780
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax:
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: [email protected]
Registry Tech ID:
Tech Name: PERFECT PRIVACY, LLC
Tech Organization:
Tech Street: 12808 Gran Bay Parkway West
Tech City: Jacksonville
Tech State/Province: FL
Tech Postal Code: 32258
Tech Country: US
Tech Phone: +1.5707088780
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax:
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email: [email protected]
Name Server: NS1626.ZTOMY.COM
Name Server: NS2626.ZTOMY.COM
DNSSEC: Unsigned
URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/

 

[Chetan]

please publish your flippa purchase, if you did purchased from there

 

[webm]

Alright, so here's what (most probably) happened:

First of all, I sense no member is scammer here. It's the expiration process that needs to be understood well. The biggest thing that I have observed (yet not found anywhere documented ever) is that all domains get automatically renewed/extended for one year upon expiration

The biggest flaw: People assume that any domain that is expired (let's say on July 27th 2015) would show an expiry of 2015 and will then drop. What ICANN does though, that they have this system in place that instructs registrars to pay the renewal fee and renew the domain for one more year - just that the "Status" if the domain will be changed from "OK" to a custom one indicating it's expired. This gives them the liberty to hold (or auction) it for 0 to 45 days. Now if they still decide to drop the name (no auction won), ICANN refunds them the renewal fee. So it's a vicious cycle. I have observed this process but ironically, never found it written anywhere.

This particular Transation: Now getting back to this particular transaction. So the domain name was set to expire on 27th July. Network solutions has the renewal grace period of 36 Days during which one can (or should be able to) renew the domain. If not, then they put it for auction through their auction partner which is no surprise, is Namejet.

Dates: "williamson21" won this domain through namejet on 28th August (Presumably, James Rodman). Now this is where it gets tricky. Namejet has two types of auctions with them: He either bought it from the pre-release auction, or a from direct (private seller) auction. If he bought it from the Pre-release, the domain should have been auto-renewed. However if he bought it directly, the name may or many not be renewed (But keep in mind, it would still show the expiration date of 2016) and after pushed it to Chetan's account.

Few things to note: The entities "New Venture" and other such un-related ones, are associated with Namejet and their auction platform. Also, I'm ruling out the "direct transfer" sale at Sedo as that is the only loose end remaining because if an active listing, Sedo has the power to directly pull the domain from your account and put it into the buyers if part of their SS network.

Ok, so what can be done now? Network solution goes by their policies, they would ask for a feeo f $299 in order to redeem a domain that was in a customer's account. So the party may need to contact network solutions, ask/pressurize them to restore the domain, and maybe pay $299 for the same.

Further information can be extracted from Netsol's official policy page about expired/deleting domains: http://www.networksolutions.com/support/domain-deletion-policy/

 

[James Rodman]

Bro, this is a temporary setting by the registrars. I have seen that many, many times. All domains that are being dropped will show a year of expiry left. I have seen this with domains in GoDaddy expiring. And in this case, this domain was under privacy. You mistook it for a year of expiry left.

Still the question remains, why lio.net didn't get the 1 year auto renewal with its purchase in Namejet?

From whom did you buy from in Flippa? Did he not pay NameJet? Is he going to be the villain here?

i would ve renewed if it was expiring. i always check expiry dates when i buy a new name. Also never got notice of an expiry from NS as they mention in that email.

I dont know about the namejet part i didnt buy it on there.

I bought it from someone on flippa who i dont think has an account here.

 

[James Rodman]

please publish your flippa purchase, if you did purchased from there

its private deal @FlippaDomains can confirm i purchased there

 

[Jasonn]

Domain Name: LIO.NET
Registry Domain ID: 3318490_DOMAIN_NET-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Registrar URL: http://networksolutions.com
Updated Date: 2015-09-06T07:34:44Z
Creation Date: 1997-07-22T04:00:00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-07-21T04:00:00Z
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
Registrar IANA ID: 2

if the domain was actually expired it would not show chetans info.
either the original buyer charged back the namejet charge or netsol just outright stole it.

 

[James Rodman]

Alright, so here's what (most probably) happened:

First of all, I sense no member is scammer here. It's the expiration process that needs to be understood well. The biggest thing that I have observed (yet not found anywhere documented ever) is that all domains get automatically renewed/extended for one year upon expiration

The biggest flaw: People assume that any domain that is expired (let's say on July 27th 2015) would show an expiry of 2015 and will then drop. What ICANN does though, that they have this system in place that instructs registrars to pay the renewal fee and renew the domain for one more year - just that the "Status" if the domain will be changed from "OK" to a custom one indicating it's expired. This gives them the liberty to hold (or auction) it for 0 to 45 days. Now if they still decide to drop the name (no auction won), ICANN refunds them the renewal fee. So it's a vicious cycle. I have observed this process but ironically, never found it written anywhere.

This particular Transation: Now getting back to this particular transaction. So the domain name was set to expire on 27th July. Network solutions has the renewal grace period of 36 Days during which one can (or should be able to) renew the domain. If not, then they put it for auction through their auction partner which is no surprise, is Namejet.

Dates: "williamson21" won this domain through namejet on 28th August (Presumably, James Rodman). Now this is where it gets tricky. Namejet has two types of auctions with them: He either bought it from the pre-release auction, or a from direct (private seller) auction. If he bought it from the Pre-release, the domain should have been auto-renewed. However if he bought it directly, the name may or many not be renewed (But keep in mind, it would still show the expiration date of 2016) and after pushed it to Chetan's account.

Few things to note: The entities "New Venture" and other such un-related ones, are associated with Namejet and their auction platform. Also, I'm ruling out the "direct transfer" sale at Sedo as that is the only loose end remaining because if an active listing, Sedo has the power to directly pull the domain from your account and put it into the buyers if part of their SS network.

Ok, so what can be done now? Network solution goes by their policies, they would ask for a feeo f $299 in order to redeem a domain that was in a customer's account. So the party may need to contact network solutions, ask/pressurize them to restore the domain, and maybe pay $299 for the same.

Further information can be extracted from Netsol's official policy page about expired/deleting domains: http://www.networksolutions.com/support/domain-deletion-policy/

bought this on flippa. namejet buyer was previous owner as i said

 

[biggie]

lio.net was purchased on namejet in august 2015 according to:

http://blog.goldnames.com/?tag=lio-net

 

[James Rodman]

lio.net was purchased on namejet in august 2015 according to:

http://blog.goldnames.com/?tag=lio-net

after this he listed it on flippa and i bought it there. i think august 31 or sept 1