strategy How to Find Potential End Users?

[shilmy]

Hi,

Do any of you has regularly sell your domain to end users? If so, do you mind share with me in this thread on how find potential end users for your domain?

Regards,
Sjarief

 

[0500559543]

have anyone using fax for offering our domains name? sometimes there are website that have no email email address, even in their whois page

is it effective or just wasting time ?

 

[DNBro]

99% of the time, I haven't got any response for the emails i have sent, but is it good manners to send a thanking mail for those responded with not interested/not looking etc such in a polite way?

 

[notlikeyou]

have anyone using fax for offering our domains name? sometimes there are website that have no email email address, even in their whois page

is it effective or just wasting time ?

I think that a fax is just a waste of time.

 

[miranon]

Yes, it does depend on the nature of the company. Do not assume that they would rather pay low $xxx on the name than UDRP you and then sue you for damages to recover the UDRP costs. If we're talking a large corporation or even an SMB, they would probably rather fork over $2000 to turn you into an example than opt for a low $xxx settlement. Be prepared to either go to court or give up the domain for free.

And even if they did settle for low $xxx, exacting cash by cybersquatting is bad karma and serves to reinforce the general public's view of domainers as cybersquatters.

Never register or purchase a domain with intent to sell it to one specific company, especially if they're well-established and hold a TM on that domain's keywords. If there multiple companies who go by the keywords in those domains then you're probably better off, but still liable to UDRP if you offer it one of the companies who owns the TM.

Also, contrary to popular belief, a "TM domain" is not simply a domain whose keywords are trademarked by at least one firm. More on that later.

And what if there is no trademark registered? Can they still start UDRP?

 

[copper]

And what if there is no trademark registered? Can they still start UDRP?

Yes.
It's all in the usage.

 

[miranon]

Yes.
It's all in the usage.

How can this be possible? For example i have a domain xxxx.com and there is some xxxxcorp.com. XXXX is not registered as trademark. I use xxxx.com for my own website or business. Can the corp that own xxxxcorp.com sue me?

 

[copper]

How can this be possible? For example i have a domain xxxx.com and there is some xxxxcorp.com. XXXX is not registered as trademark. I use xxxx.com for my own website or business. Can the corp that own xxxxcorp.com sue me?

Yes, you can get sued if xxxxcorp.com is selling baseball and
your site, xxxx.com is selling baseball.

You will NOT get sued if your site is selling toy and
xxxxcorp.com is selling computer, for example.

 

[miranon]

Yes, you can get sued if xxxxcorp.com is selling baseball and
your site, xxxx.com is selling baseball.

You will NOT get sued if your site is selling toy and
xxxxcorp.com is selling computer, for example.

And what if i sell baseball and them - toys, but i offer them my domain for sale? Is this going to be considered as bad will/faith?

 

[Gene]

And what if i sell baseball and them - toys, but i offer them my domain for sale? Is this going to be considered as bad will/faith?

This cannot be answered accurately without a full-blown investigation. Generally, if you are attempting to profit in any way from a name, including trying to sell the name (whether it's officially registered as a Trademark or not), you risk a "bad faith" legal decision.

A company name can be considered their TradeMark whether or not it was ever officially registered.

 

[Domainace]

Just in case this hasn't been mentioned...Craigslist.

I just sold a .org domain for $65 that I picked up elsewhere for $3 (I think) - from one ad taken out on Craigslist. It had special appeal to Austin, Texas, so I thought I'd try it locally. Not much money - but it was easy enough.

 

[wimpu]

Is there any Cambodian domainer here?

I own Chinese Cambodia Pinyin domain:
Jianpuzhai.com

I want to sell it to end user,if you have any clues,please contact me,thanks.

 

[miranon]

edit...

 

[xrvel]

I have a non-top-domainer's-domain, a L-L-L .com
Let's say it is X-X-X.*com for an example
From the search engine, i found lot of xxx+{keyword} websites.
Most of them are related with stock exchange, big and small ones, even one of them is a stock exchange in a country.

I started to think that the "end users" are too "big" for the domain (i mean the stock exchange)

Does anyone can give me suggestion / opinion about how to deal with this "big" end users?

I have sent some mails to the smaller one, but got no reply, and i got no inquiry this far.
Or should i drop it instead? :td:

 

[Volguuz]

Greetings NamePros.

This will be my first post on this forum and sincerely one i have been waiting for quite some time to do, the reason being that it took me a while to interiorize all the information you guys shared specifically on this thread as it touched the exact subject i needed to go forward with what i had in mind.

It took me a bit over two weeks to read it all and copy the information i thought relevant (to use as reference) i also did a lot of restructuring to my strategies and adopted many of what was shared here.

Before i come out with my main question i would like to express my gratitude to all that have contributed with their experiences and data, that you would do it to help the community is very inspiring of respect, Thank You.

So focusing on what i have been doing while going through all of your posts i have come up with a strategy based on what some of you have counseled and of which Joshua has been a great influence.

What i will ask of you is what you guys are best at - Constructive Criticism - please feel free to express anything you think would help improve the strategy i will be using, i will keep an open mind and one thing i understand is that ego's have no place in businesses.

Strategy​

That being said i have a company i founded with 2 other friends over a year ago and we're all focusing on different areas, i have chosen Domain Flipping and i have decided to follow your advices will be using our company website (which is still under construction) and create a section devoted to Domains in which i will be providing all information on every aspect regarding the domains i will be selling to end users and auctions.

My intention would be as well to give an image of who the end-user is dealing as to avoid being labeled a scammer or anything of sorts and at the same time use an email based on my company domain with my first and last name to add in credibility.

I have found the statistical analysis that Joshua shared on when to contact end-users to increase response very inspiring and decided to act on it, also i have found his pitch templates well structured, i will be using some and others as well but all tweaked.

My idea is to do all the research on end-users gather all the data required and when mailing them i'm still considering whether to use Joshua method of just keep it through email or Cold Calling (which i'm also organizing my ideas and preparing some scripts for the actual conversation over the phone) or to either in the first pitch or in the second after the response to include a link to my website section where i will have one article customized for each end-user with all the information regarding they're domain and why "my" domain is a good investment for them, the price and any other relevant information and i intend to do it in a way that each customized article is only accessible by the end-user who received the mail with the link.

I will then include an article on a common area with the info for general purposes.

I am parking all domains on sedo and i intend to put them on auction if i can't find an interested end-user and try as well to give it maximum exposure on other places to increase the possibility of selling it.

I am intending to be successful on this but at the same time to adapt myself to situations in order to achieve my goal.

I will be eager to hear from all interested in commenting, i'm unsure if i should post my website link here or if i should ask you guys to PM me so that i give you the link.

I believe i have a few questions but i was dumb enough to not write them down while i was reading so i will be asking them as they come.

- Edited: I remember one, Joshua you use buydomains(dot)com to base your prices but do you do it off the current list for sale? i can't find a list of recently sold domains and since you're using it on your picth mail to give prices it would be good to know this, thank you.

Thank you all for the excellent thread.

 

[DomainBuyerBroker]

Selling to end users means SALES.

Read up on sales. Persistence, patience and putting the right opportunity in front of the right people.

I sold a three keyword domain to an end user today for $500.

Keep the price under $2500 and you'll be fine.

 

[FPForum]

No, but its my starting point goal ...I also have to learn not to be greedy. manytimes I may get $100 offers right off the bat, say no and end up renewing the name a year later....trying to get out of that habit

Many people make this mistake because they are greedy. They pick up a name for $10 or $20 bucks and think it is going to sell for x,xxx. This all really comes down to a few things:

*End user research: If you find someone interested in the name look at their website. Try to lookup their company and see what kind of money the company brings in. If the company only brings in $100-$200k per year do you think they have x,xxx to turn around and spend on a domain they may not even really need?
*Quality of the domain: Think about how much your domain name really relates to them and what you think it might be worth to them. Obviously, if the company owns ilowcomputers.com and you own ilow.com then I would say your name really relates and they are probably willing to give you more for it then if you were trying to sell them cheapcomputerparts.com.
*ROI: Even if you buy a name for $20 and flip it for $100, that's a 500% return on your investment! In the economic times we are having right now that really isn't too shabby.

Next time you have an end user interested in a domain try making them an offer they can't refuse. When they ask how much, give them a number like $500 and be sure to include you are open for reasonable offers. This tells them they can counter with something like $300, which may be a great buy for them. On the other hand, you are still sitting there with 1500% ROI on a $20 domain. That's a pretty good return in my eyes!

 

[Volguuz]

Well i guess the thread is no longer visited as before, i hope i can have someone help

 

[Nattydomain]

Yes, it has dies down a bit...I know i stopped trying since the no replies were getting to me ;( made a few small sales but either im to cheap to backorder better domains OR not sending out enough emails......either way i got a lot on my plate to deal with and once that "plate" is done inm going to tackle it again

 

[bmugford]

Most people are greedy when it comes to offers. You have to factor in how likely a domain is to ever sell for a better offer.

The main factor there is potential buyers.

If you have a brandable, unless it is an extremely popular format, it is likely a good offer will not come along again in the near future.

If you have a keyword domain in a top field like finance, medical, law, etc. then it might make more sense to pass on a reasonable offer.

Selling a domain with massive potential for too little is probably more dangerous than being greedy. You only have one chance to sell a premium domain. Once that domain is gone, it is gone.

Brad

Many people make this mistake because they are greedy. They pick up a name for $10 or $20 bucks and think it is going to sell for x,xxx. This all really comes down to a few things:

*End user research: If you find someone interested in the name look at their website. Try to lookup their company and see what kind of money the company brings in. If the company only brings in $100-$200k per year do you think they have x,xxx to turn around and spend on a domain they may not even really need?
*Quality of the domain: Think about how much your domain name really relates to them and what you think it might be worth to them. Obviously, if the company owns ilowcomputers.com and you own ilow.com then I would say your name really relates and they are probably willing to give you more for it then if you were trying to sell them cheapcomputerparts.com.
*ROI: Even if you buy a name for $20 and flip it for $100, that's a 500% return on your investment! In the economic times we are having right now that really isn't too shabby.

Next time you have an end user interested in a domain try making them an offer they can't refuse. When they ask how much, give them a number like $500 and be sure to include you are open for reasonable offers. This tells them they can counter with something like $300, which may be a great buy for them. On the other hand, you are still sitting there with 1500% ROI on a $20 domain. That's a pretty good return in my eyes!

 

[Volguuz]

Well since the thread has stopped receiving visitors i will just outline a question that i need an answer.

For those of us that use buydomains(dot)com to base the prices of domains how do we find a recently sold list?

The only search i am able to perform is of current domains for sale.

Thank you.

 

[lincolndsp]

Well since the thread has stopped receiving visitors i will just outline a question that i need an answer.

For those of us that use buydomains(dot)com to base the prices of domains how do we find a recently sold list?

The only search i am able to perform is of current domains for sale.

Thank you.

these services might help:they collect public domain sales:
Namebio.com
DNSalesPrice.com

 

[CrackFeed.Com]

I basically only sell to the so called "end users" or at least I sell at the so called "end user prices"

Basically what hat I do is:

1) Look for simillar domains and extensions & Conduct searches in SEs for related websites.

2) With this I compile a Email list of potential interest buyers (based on website or WHOIS contacts).

3) Then I set the name on auction (no FSBO).

4) Right after setting up the domain auction I send out a mail to each identified potential buyer, and inform them about the auction.
(1 by 1 and personalized for each buyer)

Important in my experience is, that if you want to attend a decent sales price is to set up the auction BEFORE you mail the potential buyers. This has the effect, that it puts indirect pressue on buyers (bid now or you never have a chance again)
A FSBO mail to a potential buyer has not much effect, or you just receive a bunch of real low offers.

PS:
It is advisable, to evaluate trademark conflicts before you send mails

Great information, thank you for sharing! :talk:

 

[Volguuz]

these services might help:they collect public domain sales:
Namebio.com
DNSalesPrice.com

Thx for the tip lincolndsp, i already use namebio amd dnsalesprice i use sometimes, but i was just curious about buydomains since joshua was mentioning it.

 

[copper]

Thx for the tip lincolndsp, i already use namebio amd dnsalesprice i use sometimes, but i was just curious about buydomains since joshua was mentioning it.

buydomains - you use it when you don't find previous sold comparable domains else where.

Your email could include...

Similar domain, sample-domain-listed.com, is listed for sale with price tag of $5,000 at buydomains.
You can have your-domain-example.com for just $850 if you can complete the deal within next 3 days.

With this, you are artificially establishing domain value and it's validity by referencing more known website, buydomains
although your enduser may not know buydomains.

 

[Volguuz]

Thank you for the tip copper, i will study it further.

Ok i am sorting out with my colleagues who are helping me prepare the emails and we still havent finished and are a bit delayed while i already got a reply to one of the 40 iv'e sent today.

The domain is Mortgagefinancials.com (notice that financial is in plural) and although the end user does not have a similar domain name his website is oriented towards mortgages and financing so he replied to me the following:

(i used Joshua template and modified it with my info and some minor tweaks)

Hi Ricardo

Thank you for your offer, but mortgagefinancials.com has no Google value, since the main keyword for this domain: “mortgage fiancials” is not an important keyword.

If you had mortgagefinancial.com, I would be interested. “mortgage financials” has over 74,000 searches/month.

Regards

[prospect name]

now as i was discussing with my friend the word in itself does not have many searches in google but the truth is the word is the plural of financial which means even if it's not extensivly searched google still shows it, if you make a search the result will first show the keywords you showed along with the plural of that word if it is available.

correct?

Now i'm gonna make my study on what to reply him based on what i have in this thread and some other ideas i have but if anyone has anything to help me make this sale i'd appreciate.

Thank you so much for all of you who have contributed