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opinion What I've Bought in the Past 12 Months and Why

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I've often read posts from Elliot Silver and other bloggers about their recent acquisitions, and I have always found it fascinating to see what others are buying. I've endeavored to create a similar post below, and I hope that you get some interest from it.

My domain sales and acquisitions are nowhere near the level of many domainers, but given my budget and strategy I'm fairly happy. Below is a list of a few of the domain names I've acquired over the past twelve months. As always, you're welcome to post comments.

Two word .COM's
Most of my acquisitions over the past 12 months have been two word .COM domain names. They're something I've always focused on, and I have had some success in selling them on. Of course, I do have a number of criteria when choosing which domain names to go after. These criteria include the age, popularity of the words or phrase, and the potential end users should I decide to flip the domain.

Some of my better two word .COM acquisitions include:

PhotoRetoucher.com - a domain name that I'm now using for my retouching portfolio. This was acquired privately earlier this year, and I'm in the process of making a website there. I've already had one offer for the domain, but I'm choosing not to sell this one.

PhotoRetouching.com - at the same time as acquiring PhotoRetoucher.com, I also bought PhotoRetouching.com. Again, this was a private deal, but it was purchased from a different company. Both domain names cost almost exactly the same to buy. I opted to flip this domain name and listed the domain for sale on Flippa. It sold after a 30 day auction.

LandscapeArchitect.com & LandscapeArchitects.com were acquired late last year using the SnapNames platform. Initially I had plans to create an online landscape design business, but it got more and more complicated to complete. In the end, I sold both domains to a Landscape Architecture magazine.


Location + Profession .COM's
Another type of domain name that I like to acquire are location+profession .COMs. Recently, I've acquired BaltimoreCosmeticDentist.com, PhoenixCosmeticDentist.com and DetroitCosmeticDentist.com. Not the best domains you'll ever see, but each city has an abundance of cosmetic dentists who are all looking to get ahead of their competition.

Another domain in this category that I acquired recently is LongIslandCriminalLawyers.com. Yes, a four-word domain name. All you need to know about this is that I sold it last week for a 2,300% ROI (Return on Investment).


Exact Match .COM's
This type of domain is becoming less popular, but there are still some good acquisitions to be made here. One such example is DentalWebsiteDesign.com, which I picked up from NameJet at the end of last year. Dental Website Design is a very competitive industry and is potentially very lucrative. (The Cost Per Click used to be something like $33.)

After creating a lead generation website, and bringing it to as high as number three in the competitive search rankings, I sold the domain along with the website to one of the companies advertising for the term.


4 Letter .COM's
Every domain investor knows about the new wave of Chinese investors looking to acquire short domain names. As such, I've acquired a few four letter .COM domain names through NamePros.com's marketplace and via private acquisitions.

My best performing four-letter .COM domain is GPFN.com that I acquired on NamePros.com just a couple of months ago for low $xxx. I seem to get three to four offers per week for this domain name all for higher than I paid for it. I'll be waiting until 2016 before I look to sell any four letter .COM domain name.


LLNN.com Domains
This category of domain acquisition may surprise you a little, but I think that this could be the next category which Chinese investors look at. For now, they have a very low acquisition price with great bargains to be found on GoDaddy's Closeout site. As with numerical domain names, I believe that if these are to be a successful category, then repetition is key.

I've acquired domain names such as RR63.com and XE99.com recently, which are both starting to receive type in traffic.


Other TLDs
I'd say that 90% of my domains are .COM, but I have a couple of domain names from other TLDs which include ppi.online and fvt.cc. Of the new gTLDs, I have just three domain names, which probably tells you my current position when it comes to investing in them.
 
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So what is premium digit and premium letter in LLNN

Working on a post going over it.

so i was just wondering, what is the floor price to pay for any good name?

Right now floor price for a premium LLNN is around $150 - $200 - and then it just depends who want's it the most. The above DN could have gone up to $300 - $400 because typically the big spenders are Chinese buyers and if there is a premium to be had they will pay as much as they can to get it. Mainly because the upside is huge compared to what is being paid now.

I've been acquiring as many as I can, so once this one got into $200 I just passed - I did some spending this week on really good ones (over $1k) because they are getting more and more expensive.

I m mostly bidding on drop names and i do not see any single bid on LLNN drop

You might be targeting the wrong ones. I can tell you that the true premium LLNN that go to drop are few and far between... the ones that do can sell for $300 - $800. Buyers are buying the best ones they can first, and then the ones that are 'good' are being left to chance drops in the $100 - $150 range.

Some good ones did make it to handreg, but that was months ago - and that time is over.

Anything you can handreg now you have to be VERY careful buying. 8 - 12 months from now these premiums are going to be very expensive - so don't waste your time on handregs, but also in that time handregs will rise and become few and far between from general speculation.

There are 357 LLNN's of them sitting from drops from the last 30 days, I'll pick a few and tell you why;
premium LLNN domains must to have ties to the Chinese culture, similar to LLLL and NNNN buying, but it leaves room for other letter combinations to be popular. These following domains all have no relation to chinese life or culture and also have the following no-nos for premium. Some of these are the ones that will be in demand but not today. With only 5k of them free to register, the namespace can get bought out at any time.

Sample of the 357 that can be handregged from the last 30 days.:

uw76.com - No, starts with a U and the number combo is insignificant
va28.com - Absolutely not - leading v is very risky especially with that number combo
ud74.com - the dreaded 4 and a leading u
zu67.com - again, presence of u and insignificant number
ja08.com - A and a number combo that starts with a zero
ge16.com - E and insignificant number combo
wh48.com - THE DREADED 4!
jn48.com - THE DREADED 4!!

If you go down the list, you will see that these are free and clear to regg, and they are junk right now, which is why they aren't being regged.

That's just a taste of what's going on in Chinese LLNN buyers minds and what makes a non-premium.
 
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ja08.com - A and a number combo that starts with a zero
wh48.com - THE DREADED 4!
jn48.com - THE DREADED 4!!

JA = Good combination for Chinese, initials of city Jian.
48 = lucky number, means "sure to prosper", way better than random 51 or 37.

It's hard to see forest behind the trees.

Be aware of so called experts what they claim is far away from reality, and a lot of time they don't know shi..
 
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JA = Good combination for Chinese, initials of city Jian.
48 = lucky number, means "sure to prosper", way better than random 51 or 37.

It's hard to see forest behind the trees.

Be aware of so called experts what they claim is far away from reality, and a lot of time they don't know shi..


I m not touching 4 or 0 in any names.
Also i have not seen any $$$ tag for namejet expired auction for LLNN , i see few on godaddy , so let me watch this category very careful.
I have registered 20 more 4l.net ($4 each on whois --- nothing wrong with that co mpare to $20 to $50 for LLNN)so total 68 that's it no more love for 4l.net , Total damage around $270
 
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You might be targeting the wrong ones. I can tell you that the true premium LLNN that go to drop are few and far between... the ones that do can sell for $300 - $800. Buyers are buying the best ones they can first, and then the ones that are 'good' are being left to chance drops in the $100 - $150 range.


You are right i tried to shop at namejet it is hard to find good LLNN, but i will keep looking everywhere to grab for cheap.

Here is list from namejet which include both expired , pre release and deleting auction , can you tell me which one is good one, at this moment no single bid on any of this 3 names.
kh22.com
qm22.com
hj22.com
 
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These are good, there are better letter combos that are better but the '22' will draw interest.

Most bidders will place a backorder in the last hours or final day - I never place a BO with a public venue until the final hour.
 
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JA = Good combination for Chinese, initials of city Jian.
48 = lucky number, means "sure to prosper", way better than random 51 or 37.

It's hard to see forest behind the trees.

Be aware of so called experts what they claim is far away from reality, and a lot of time they don't know shi..

I don't appreciate that you pretty much called me out like that, but I want to constructively respond to you in the hopes to educate you better on the claims you are making. Hopefully this will make you a better domainer, and a more thoughtful poster.

Firstly JA08 is bad because it has a leading 0 in the NN section.

Most importantly, Ji'an (JA) is a small prefecture-level city in Jiangxi (JX) province.
So a Chinese buyer does NOT want JA, they want JX - and the sales tell the story.

JA Sales barely fetch premium prices...
jaxd.com 320 USD 5/22/15 GoDaddy
jacj.com 215 USD 4/5/15 DropCatch
jakc.com 300 USD 7/11/15 GoDaddy

JX Sales - much more on track for Chinese Pinyin buying.
jxqk.com 1,371 USD
jxjm.com 1,475 USD
jxck.com 812 USD

So even though you may equate JA with a small prefecture, it's the province that matters the most for the Chinese buyer from a small prefecture. So your claim that JA is a 'good' combination for Chinese is incorrect. Ji'an is not big enough to negate the letter "A" as a standard 'chip' format violation, nor for the leading zero to be negated as well.

Let's address "WH48" and your second point that 48 = lucky number, means "sure to prosper"

Chinese stay away from the number 4 - period. Yes there are some exceptions once a namespace is completely saturated, but this is not the case with LLNN.

"WH" also has no great significance to outweighowning a domain with a 4 in it.

You do realize that OP has recommended LLNN and I'm not just blowing hot air. It's a hard niche to fully understand and pick strong names in, which is why it hasn't caught on to the domainer masses yet.

There are also very large domain houses and very knowledgable domainers picking up LLNN, I know this because I've done the research.

So with your logic, either all buyers of LLNN have no idea what we are doing and @djum is right...
OR the many seasoned buyers that are buying are right and are using the same metrics that Chinese buyers are.

Again, I want you to know how much I do not appreciate an attack on me while you are providing incorrect information - hopefully you will educate yourself better about the Chinese market and learn about LLNN before you attack it because you don't understand it.
 
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//Most importantly, Ji'an (JA) is a small prefecture-level city in Jiangxi (JX) province.
So a Chinese buyer does NOT want JA, they want JX - and the sales tell the story.


Small, are you serious? 4 800 000 population city maybe not Bejing but it's pretty big. Chicago is only 2,7 mln., LA is 3,9. Ji'an is 4,8 mln.
Second sentence has zero logic in it.

Russian city Khimki is in Moscow region, that's why people don't want to buy the word Khimki, they want to buy the word Moscow, smth like that you saying.
I may as well say Chinese buyer don't want JX, they want BJ and SH.

I absolutely love it, when you compare sales from April i March with sales from September, July and June.
Why don't take last year then, you can win with higher score, lol.
And what does it prove, anyway?
That combination JX is better than JA?
Everyone understands it anyway, since most of people buying won't go into details they may have no idea, that this one is almost as good as legit Chinese premium.
If you wanted to prove that JA is garbage, small city, etc. and not worth money, you needed to compare price of JA vs any other non-Chinese combination.
But you probably know that it's not going to work already, since April/May sales of JA are 5-6 times bigger than $50-70 people paid for non-Chinese LLLL.com then.

On previous page on pointed to CH name was sold for $200.
Let's do some backtracking on sales and compare.

chpd.com $333.00 5/13/2015 NameJet
chcq.com $290.00 4/4/2015 NameJet
chyf.com $305.00 3/16/2015 DropCatch

Wow! Look at this. Taken at the same time frame Chinese premium combination CH showing the same results as not-Chinese JA. Well, maybe that JA is not that bad afterall. On pair with the other Chinese combinations, excluding some big fish like provinces.

// Let's address "WH48" and your second point that 48 = lucky number, means "sure to prosper"
Chinese stay away from the number 4 - period. Yes there are some exceptions once a namespace is completely saturated, but this is not the case with LLNN.

Meaning of 48 comes from Fengshui, that is very important for Chinese. Exceptions mean that they apply all the time, not when all the names are taken.
48, 54, 84 are exceptions and these numbers has more value than any random combination.
Who doesn't want to "sure prosper"?
And WH is big city, same as JN.
Both names looking good combined with premium number combination 48.

//There are also very large domain houses and very knowledgable domainers picking up LLNN, I know this because I've done the research.

Hmm, maybe then here's is your example:
bj48.com

If Bejing48 is good enough for HugeDomains, Wuhan48 could be worth a shot too, huh?

//So with your logic, either all buyers of LLNN have no idea what we are doing and @djum is right...
OR the many seasoned buyers that are buying are right and are using the same metrics that Chinese buyers are.

Back in 2007 a lot of people were buying stocks, because "large broker houses and very knowledgable finansial experts and analysts" said so and stocks were growing before. Very few people were betting against. Taken the size of the whole LLNN niche (67600) not only djum, but any other domainer who didn't buy any of the LLNN is "right". It's not logic, my friend, It's sophism what you using. :)

Sooner or later music will stop and someone will be left holding that bag. Look for the story about Chinese who sold monkeys, very good one and still valid nowadays.

I'm not saying that LLNN won't grow, if the whole market will keep growing they might. But as of now I see other categories with better potential. And if the music stops, LLNN together with the other new categories like LLLLL.com, 6N.com, 6N.net will be protected less than others, since it's pure speculation.
Rule number one: Don't loose money.

If you want to invest, do you own research, don't listen to the experts, look at the sales.

P.S. I don't appreciate when people spread misinformation. Good that my post made you dig into details, now you probably know more than before and don't say that letter A is not good :). That makes me happy, hopefully you can learn even more from my reply :)
 
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You're pretty much the worst @djum , I'm good by that. You'll be gone soon enough, you're a dime a dozen.
 
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If you have nothing to say in professional area, try to start personal attack.
Can never fail this way ;)

For me this argument is not personal, I don't even know you.
 
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If you have nothing to say in professional area, try to start personal attack.
Can never fail this way ;)

For me this argument is not personal, I don't even know you.

You started a personal attack and I was kind enough to respond with poise and respect, even though you deserved none. You continued your nonsense... so you are 100% correct - I have absolutely nothing professional to say to you anymore.

You don't even have the honor to admit when you are wrong, how could you - you do this on every thread you 'chime' in on.

I expected nothing less, you pretty much just attack anyone that disagrees with you. You keep ranting about nonsense against ME when OP clearly recommends LLNN as a "BUY", and I endorse it.

So either a good amount of people with knowledge over you are wrong, or your right. In your mind your right, and I've learned you can't argue with that - so I won't.

Your position has been duly noted, Good Day Sir.
 
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The whole write up about me, but nothing about the facts that I provided.
If you have something valid factual prove, provide it, otherwise we will think that you lost the argument.

Whole room of authorities can rant about something, but if I see them asking for pure trust, because big companies buy it and try to call 4,8 mln. small city and compare April with September I know it's bull.

May be you should check facts before you write and use proper logic, not sophism, less hype, more numbers, that's it.
 
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Hey guys stop fighting, lets work each other.

I will watch this category very careful if any cheap buy available would buy and flip in next 6 month.

I just have good luck with my 4l.com portfolio sonot lossing anything by buying this new category even i loose , since this is not anymore practical or logical game after all this chiense buy out.

All new domainers do their own research do not burn your pocket just play safe game.

My honest opinion is buy good name with paying premium and hold little long or buy anything which you can flip in few months and get your money back and buy again and so ...
 
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Doesn't 0 mean nothing in China therefore it's not bad?
 
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Doesn't 0 mean nothing in China therefore it's not bad?
Leading 0's are traditionally not of 'higher value'. So if you are working with a 2 number subset you don't want it to start with a zero. This is the 'rule' for numerics as it stands at the moment.

Take a look at 5N sales with a leading zero; all quite lower than their counterparts.

However, if you are ending in a zero it's okay.

02809.com 462 USD 2015-10-14 GoDaddy
04229.com 264 USD 2015-10-14 DropCatch
00088.cc 525 USD 2015-10-13 Pheenix
04371.com 430 USD 2015-10-13 NameJet
06290.com 490 USD 2015-10-12 NameJet
03019.com 560 USD 2015-10-10 DropCatch
09218.com 530 USD 2015-10-10 NameJet
03757.com 450 USD 2015-10-09 NameJet
07667.com 850 USD 2015-10-07 NameJet
01302.com 408 USD 2015-10-07 GoDaddy
09243.com 276 USD 2015-10-07 GoDaddy
07007.cc 130 USD 2015-10-07 Pheenix
05262.com 366 USD 2015-10-05 GoDaddy
05261.com 355 USD 2015-10-05 GoDaddy
05254.com 330 USD 2015-10-05 GoDaddy
02053.com 460 USD 2015-10-04 GoDaddy
02019.com 411 USD 2015-10-04 GoDaddy
04204.com 315 USD 2015-09-30 GoDaddy
03682.com 333 USD 2015-09-25 GoDaddy
07479.com 253 USD 2015-09-25 GoDaddy
02450.com 309 USD 2015-09-21 NameJet
02564.com 255 USD 2015-09-21 GoDaddy
07322.com 964 USD 2015-09-15 DropCatch
01905.com 244 USD 2015-09-15 GoDaddy
01270.com 505 USD 2015-09-13 GoDaddy
 
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Leading 0's are traditionally not of 'higher value'. So if you are working with a 2 number subset you don't want it to start with a zero. This is the 'rule' for numerics as it stands at the moment.

Take a look at 5N sales with a leading zero; all quite lower than their counterparts.

However, if you are ending in a zero it's okay.

02809.com 462 USD 2015-10-14 GoDaddy
04229.com 264 USD 2015-10-14 DropCatch
00088.cc 525 USD 2015-10-13 Pheenix
04371.com 430 USD 2015-10-13 NameJet
06290.com 490 USD 2015-10-12 NameJet
03019.com 560 USD 2015-10-10 DropCatch
09218.com 530 USD 2015-10-10 NameJet
03757.com 450 USD 2015-10-09 NameJet
07667.com 850 USD 2015-10-07 NameJet
01302.com 408 USD 2015-10-07 GoDaddy
09243.com 276 USD 2015-10-07 GoDaddy
07007.cc 130 USD 2015-10-07 Pheenix
05262.com 366 USD 2015-10-05 GoDaddy
05261.com 355 USD 2015-10-05 GoDaddy
05254.com 330 USD 2015-10-05 GoDaddy
02053.com 460 USD 2015-10-04 GoDaddy
02019.com 411 USD 2015-10-04 GoDaddy
04204.com 315 USD 2015-09-30 GoDaddy
03682.com 333 USD 2015-09-25 GoDaddy
07479.com 253 USD 2015-09-25 GoDaddy
02450.com 309 USD 2015-09-21 NameJet
02564.com 255 USD 2015-09-21 GoDaddy
07322.com 964 USD 2015-09-15 DropCatch
01905.com 244 USD 2015-09-15 GoDaddy
01270.com 505 USD 2015-09-13 GoDaddy
This is good data, thanks for your work.
Any idea what is the prices for 4n.com with 0 and 4.
 
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QB77.com Just sold for $223, that is crazy price for this kind of names.
 
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QB77.com Just sold for $223, that is crazy price for this kind of names.

This is the ground floor beginning of real LLNN demand, wait a few more months. Prices have been going up and up, without many people noticing. Now you know :)
 
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..Suddenly the ground floor got lowered all the way down to 11$:

XF62.com
DT50.com

Few others closing tomorrow have just 1 bid at $17
Out of all closeouts only 1 name sp33.com have 3 bids with maximum $22.
 
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QB77.com Just sold for $223, that is crazy price for this kind of names.

Thanks for the info as well, I was watching it but I fell asleep after a 24 hour work marathon. Last I saw it was $200 and I was wondering what it ended at - thank you.
 
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..Suddenly the ground floor got lowered all the way down to 11$:

XF62.com
DT50.com

Few others closing tomorrow have just 1 bid at $17
Out of all closeouts only 1 name sp33.com have 3 bids with maximum $22.

Man he is telling since long time this prices are only good for premium names, hope you respect his research, this look to me a nice missed category to bid , why they picking only good one may be later on others will rise, since if you count same letter and same numbers the quantity is very limited as i do not able to do match how much exact number for this premium name but it is very less for sure.
 
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The links I posted are for premium domains with all premium letters and 0 at the end doesn't matter, from what he said.

If the floor price is $200, then you should snatch this two and send me "Thank you very much, sir for helping to find this deal" :)

I respect pure numbers of sales not hype. That's why "research" that compares apples and oranges, sales from April vs Sales from September and city vs province has little value to me, but when I see names available for $11 it tells us more about floor price.
 
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The links I posted are for premium domains with all premium letters and 0 at the end doesn't matter, from what he said.

If the floor price is $200, then you should snatch this two and send me "Thank you very much, sir for helping to find this deal" :)

I respect pure numbers of sales not hype. That's why "research" that compares apples and oranges, sales from April vs Sales from September and city vs province has little value to me, but when I see names available for $11 it tells us more about floor price.

I think he is saying same letter and same digit only are premiums, that what i have understood as premium like AA11 and so on
 
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I didn't see that, so now he saying only same letters? ;)
If you study what Chinese like you know that they prefer domains without A-E-I-O-U-V and 0 (anywhere except for at the end)-4 (besides exceptions like 48,54,84).
Pairs add value, but not 20 times value. Some good combination like WH, KJ is better than random pair like TT, imho.
This still early to say the market lift off in this niche, when you see names avail for $11.
 
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I didn't see that, so now he saying only same letters? ;)
If you study what Chinese like you know that they prefer domains without A-E-I-O-U-V and 0 (anywhere except for at the end)-4 (besides exceptions like 48,54,84).
Pairs add value, but not 20 times value. Some good combination like WH, KJ is better than random pair like TT, imho.
This still early to say the market lift off in this niche, when you see names avail for $11.

All I can say is he is not selling his LLNN.com which you comparing to 4L.net but you have 100's of 4L.net for sale which does not make your view neutral, I understood you registered all your 4L.net early and at certain time you want to sale I respect that but when someone advice in certain category they should backup that category strongly.
 
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