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Recently, a discussion has arisen on NamePros, asking whether the Chinese domain market could be at an end. This question comes after a couple of months of declining prices after a period of steep growth at the end of 2015. In this article, I wanted to give another perspective on this question from someone who speaks daily with investors and brokers in China.

Where do we start when discussing the Chinese market? Twelve months ago seems like as good a time as any. According to LLLLSales.com, on the 1st May 2015, a "Chinese Premium" four-letter .COM would cost you around $215. At their peak in December, the same domain would cost around $2,500. The price today? Around $1,251 on average.

Over the course of twelve months, every Chinese Premium four-letter .COM domain has appreciated by just over $1,000, or 481.86%. By any means, this is a huge increase, and there are still investors buying at this price point. Over the past week, I've had several requests for large portfolios of four-letter .COMs, with some investors looking to spend over $1mm on four-letter .COM purchases.

The sharp increase in value of four-letter .COMs meant that other short domains such as two letter, two number, three letter and three number domains increased in value and demand too, with three-letter Chinese Premium .COMs selling for $70,000+ at their peak.

This sudden boom meant that the wider domaining community realised what some investors had known for a long time: short domains are valuable, with domains that include patterns tending to be even more valuable. The boom brought about the occurrence of riskier markets such as six-number and five-letter, as well as new gTLD opportunities that all had low entry points.

These entry points also meant that a small amount of investors could create hype around a market, driving the price up and then selling. It's a practice that is widely known, and has made several investors extremely rich. Unfortunately, smaller investors who can't afford to lose money sometimes get caught up in the hype, buying when the names are at their most expensive, and who may now be stuck with rapidly depreciating domains.

Now that Chinese domain markets are showing dramatic drops, does it mean that the Chinese market as a whole is at an end? In my opinion, no. I think the market is entering another phase. From the data that's available, it looks like several riskier markets are dropping in value severely. Random combinations of numbers or letters are reducing in value whilst strong patterns are holding their value.

From speaking with several Chinese investors and brokers, I think that the new phase of the Chinese market could be based around what domain names an end-user (Chinese or otherwise) would acquire. It's been proven over the past 20+ years that the lifeblood of the domain industry is in end-user domain sales, and I think that China could be realising this fact.

For the Chinese market, the end-user demand is slightly different than a Western market. Numbers and short names tend to be more popular amongst Chinese companies, as has been demonstrated by @Kassey Lee on many occasions.

Recently, Beijing's authorities have approved changes to China's business naming system. Now, companies can use a string of up to five numbers instead of a name. Could this mean that domains consisting of up to five numbers might have a higher value amongst investors, thanks to acquisitions from end-users?

Whilst all "Chinese" domain categories have been affected to some extent, many categories are holding their value, and are still showing large increases from this time last year. Patterns look to be holding their value (or showing increases in some cases), whilst random strings are showing a decline. I'd expect this divide to continue, with the focus moving back to the end-user rather than the recent focus on investors. What do you think? Have your say in the comments section.
 
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...domaining has never been a quick buck industry really...

Not true ;) Look back on the last 6 months of 2015 ;)
But I agree with the rest of your post.
 
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Not true ;) Look back on the last 6 months of 2015 ;)
But I agree with the rest of your post.
But what happened in that time period was surely an anomaly.outliers dont define general trend. no worries though!! lol
 
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But what happened in that time period was surely an anomaly.outliers dont define general trend. no worries though!! lol

I agree. However, I am very happy because of such anomalies :) But you must know when you are investing, and when you just speculation or even gambling.
Short .coms and keyword .coms are always best investment. OK, LLLL.com chips are also short .com domains, but after $200-$300 they entered into speculative area.
 
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As what the article mentioned, some domains based on letters and numbers has experienced shaking stage, that's truth.

However, actually Chinese market is still booming, just many internal investors cannot step deeply into the market. As the difference between China and the western in economy, their domain investment is different from the most of the global as well.
 
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Thank you. Great stuff. Personally, I own several NNN.xyz ; NNNN.xyz ; LLL.xyz and LLLL.xyz domain names ( e.g. - 969..xyz ). Interest from the Asian market is brisk. However, offers are in the low $XXXX's. Waiting for stability in the international market place. Only the beginning of the gTLD marketplace.... we shall see what the next 3...5... 10 years brings!
 
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A vision really with his feet on the ground, in the world of domains,
as an investor I have always thought and acted the end of a domain is the final Board Index. For that reason my acquisition is based on the good names, to lead and motivate a end usaurio his possession.
The Chinese market is so big, almost 10 times more than WallStreet, so all the guesswork and Predictability has a very wide margin of error. Some known the field tend to value their own domains, generating certain tendencies, but can not understand the East. The figures of any commercial activity are all incredible. It is the world's largest population, they have the fastest supercomputer made by man and have aerospace technology. There are some ups and downs but they are not the fall of the empire as make us believe. China is not predictable and the trend is always upward. The domains are the same pattern.
 
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Of course, it is not the end. It is in the phase of correction, which will be followed by consolidation. It is the beginning of a matured domain market. The Short and the Good have always done well and will even do better this year. My opinion.

- V
 
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Renewals are coming.. It will be funny to see how large portfolios of random domains will be handled

This is when the masks will drop. We will see who are pumpers, and who are investors :)
 
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I purchased an LLL.com CHIP:with a Q in it for $4.3k in 2010 on a whim for its cool factor (ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, TMZ, AAA...), to be part of the elite 17,576 club and to possibly use it for a blog. My highest offer was 65k about a year ago. Was hoping for a long shot to sell it in time for $200k. Currently seeing the average 3L.com CHIP on nameBio going for about 40-50k.
Still seeing the same LLL.com domains on SEDO trying to fetch an average asking price of $125k for a CHIP domain. Could I realistically expect to get $100k in time? I have mixed feeling as to weather I should have sold the domain at 65k..
3 months ago I was going to invest a ridiculous 24k in either 4LLLL.com CHIP domains @ 2.5k/domain or a NNNN.com. Not sure what made me hesitate to invest in those LLLL.com's but I'm highly fortunate I didn't.
 
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I purchased an LLL.com CHIP:with a Q in it for $4.3k in 2010 on a whim for its cool factor (ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, TMZ, AAA...), to be part of the elite 17,576 club and to possibly use it for a blog. My highest offer was 65k about a year ago. Was hoping for a long shot to sell it in time for $200k. Currently seeing the average 3L.com CHIP on nameBio going for about 40-50k.
Still seeing the same LLL.com domains on SEDO trying to fetch an average asking price of $125k for a CHIP domain. Could I realistically expect to get $100k in time? I have mixed feeling as to weather I should have sold the domain at 65k..
3 months ago I was going to invest a ridiculous 24k in either 4LLLL.com CHIP domains @ 2.5k/domain or a NNNN.com. Not sure what made me hesitate to invest in those LLLL.com's but I'm highly fortunate I didn't.

Great investment! I think you have hesitated on investing in 4L chip because the noise spread out. Successful investors know when It's too late to invest and in many cases it's when you discover that too may people have the same thinking as you.

3L .com demand from end users is massive. Our goal is to sell to end-users. And I strongly believe that $80,000+ for a 3L is not crazy. It's every domain investors dream to own a 3L or 2L .com. Don't get me wrong. The demand is increasing daily. One thing for sure, I don't see the floor price going under $4,3000 ..... :) Solid, low risk investment!
 
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The Chinese have always been a player in this industry, not all are newbies but recent trends have popularized domaining in this large country.

Having a keen eye on whois records of recently registered domains I can tell you this is far from the end of the Chinese market.

I have always noticed that the Chinese are particularly interested in technology related domains and despite the language barrier they have no problems grabbing the top shelf of English language tech .com domains.

I'm actually quite shocked at the stats I see from my research lately that I can safely predict the Chinese will soon become a major/dominant player in this industry.

Point of correction. It seem you mean to say the Chinese will remain major buyer for a long time? We already knew them as the major buyers in this market, saying they will become a major buyer is out of context. IMO. Cheers.
 
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Point of correction. It seem you mean to say the Chinese will remain major buyer for a long time? We already knew them as the major buyers in this market, saying they will become a major buyer is out of context. IMO. Cheers.
No, I mean like I said it, 'major player' - more than just buying and much bigger.
 
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May Be Most Chinese Investors Are Beginners...
 
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It seems that buying these to ride the wave presents some of the worst scenarios from a risk/reward perspective.

If your names have other features to it that make it unique (real word, other meanings, western application, pronounceable, brandable, VRLL/LLVR, etc...) then you are able to mitigate some of your risk.

Like most investments, it is best to think about your entry and exit strategy on a risk adjusted basis and domains that have multiple shots on goal tend to provided better risk mitigation. Be disciplined in protecting your capital at all costs, survive and advance.
 
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I have bids on NJ. for 6N .com with "0" and 4N .co with "4".

NJ minimum bid is $69

But market is crashing? I'm confused
 
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The peak has come and gone, it will be down hill for the next 1-3 years.

The true masters will understand this and rebuy at the right time.

Someone people don't know when to get out.

Of course we may see another surge, but that's that wrong mentality to have.

In Forex trading there's phrase, trade what you see, not what you want to happen.

Don't be holding the bag.
 
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The peak has come and gone, it will be down hill for the next 1-3 years.

The true masters will understand this and rebuy at the right time.

Someone people don't know when to get out.

Of course we may see another surge, but that's that wrong mentality to have.

In Forex trading there's phrase, trade what you see, not what you want to happen.

Don't be holding the bag.
That's a bad sign, isn't it .. if you are saying that everyone should get out of the market.. until we can "rebuy at the right time." If you had said this earlier and everyone believed you, there would be hardly anyone to buy when people wanted to dump. Don't a few people need to be kept in the dark for this to work? That's why there are probably lots of people on namepros holding the bag..not because they didn't see it coming, but because the bag has to stop *somewhere*.

Someone can come along and believe that the Chinese hype will continue again soon, and it may be their fault for buying in at the wrong time. But isn't it also kind of the fault of whoever began the hand registering frenzies and also whoever bought in early knowing that in order to make money, they'd have to dump on someone else?
If these domains are so bad that you don't want to be caught holding them, what does that say about their value and the "Chinese market"? It looks like lots of people made profit just by dumping worthless domains onto others. And that's what many people already think of "domain investors." That we just buy domains in order to resell them at insane prices and scam people out of their hard-earned money. The difference is that the domains that sell for a lot of money usually do have end user value. Most of these don't seem to..
Why should we "rebuy at the right time"? What's the value in a hand-regged chip that was never desiered by an end user before all the hype? Again, maybe I just don't know enough to speak about the actual domain values..or why they should rise again later. Is there going to be an influx of Chinese businesses who want these kinds of domains one day? When will be the time to buy again?
 
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5L.com still have some future.
I have sold one before 1 month for $500
 
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That's a bad sign, isn't it .. if you are saying that everyone should get out of the market.. until we can "rebuy at the right time." If you had said this earlier and everyone believed you, there would be hardly anyone to buy when people wanted to dump. Don't a few people need to be kept in the dark for this to work? That's why there are probably lots of people on namepros holding the bag..not because they didn't see it coming, but because the bag has to stop *somewhere*.

Someone can come along and believe that the Chinese hype will continue again soon, and it may be their fault for buying in at the wrong time. But isn't it also kind of the fault of whoever began the hand registering frenzies and also whoever bought in early knowing that in order to make money, they'd have to dump on someone else?
If these domains are so bad that you don't want to be caught holding them, what does that say about their value and the "Chinese market"? It looks like lots of people made profit just by dumping worthless domains onto others. And that's what many people already think of "domain investors." That we just buy domains in order to resell them at insane prices and scam people out of their hard-earned money. The difference is that the domains that sell for a lot of money usually do have end user value. Most of these don't seem to..
Why should we "rebuy at the right time"? What's the value in a hand-regged chip that was never desiered by an end user before all the hype? Again, maybe I just don't know enough to speak about the actual domain values..or why they should rise again later. Is there going to be an influx of Chinese businesses who want these kinds of domains one day? When will be the time to buy again?

Forget the domains for a second, what has happened here happens in EVERY market on earth and has been happening for hundreds of years. Whether its trading coffee beans, trading stocks and currencies or trading livestock. It all comes down to market psychology.

When you buy a product, you expect it's value to go up and when it reaches a higher enough point you should sell and take your profit. However the every market is predictable in the fact, it's human nature to be greedy and once price is falling, it's human nature to want to return to the high. This is heard mentality and everyone thinks the same way.

It's those people who with experience and learning know that what goes up must come down. The market has to correct. Once the correction is finally over, another phase will begin.

The last explosion in price was several years ago. Could there be another surge in prices tomorrow? Anything can happen, but it's more likely that price will correct.

Anyway just my opinion. Pure speculation.
 
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Wonder, why Chinese still buying?
 
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Irony, or not- that is the question;

 
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Well written article.Thanks for sharing your thoughts mate.
 
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I'm so done with this CHIPS nonsense....

Even when the value of say LLLL.com goes up or down at the end of the day, it's about whether or not you can actually sell it for the price that it's worth, like any other domain.

If you can't find the right buyer to pay what it's worth what good is it to know that it's worth 2500? There are only a few sales sales per day and hundreds of thousands more unsold domains. They're not all going to sell....so they're going to sit around collecting dust or being traded among domainers for a fraction of what they're "worth". The "worth" of CHIPS is extremely misleading and gives the impression that your domain is going to sell, just because it's "worth" something.

That "worth" bullshit is just an indication that another domainer will want your domain for possible resale. It's not what "most" of us will actually earn.
 
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Chinese market is in its baby phase. There are 721,434,547 internet users in China for 2016, which is 15,520,515 more than 2015. Currently there are only 126,869,375 .com's registered! There is a great gap to be filled and China internet users and domain buyers will be growing significantly!
 
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