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strategy Is This A Bad Time To Be In Domain Investing?

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Finding consistent success in domain name investing is always challenging, but are we entering a particularly difficult period? I don’t know the answer, and some successful veteran investors consider this a golden time, but let’s look at a few potential challenges.

Economic Uncertainty

Instability, both political and economic, reigns these days. Will the upheaval result in a different, but strong, world economy? Or will there be an extended period of difficult times? The situation may also influence your other source(s) of income.

The impact on the domain market is not completely clear. Economic disruptions can lead to opportunities for new businesses, that can drive aftermarket sales. But it is also true that businesses like stability, and may delay name upgrades in turbulent and unpredictable times.

Acquisition Costs Up

Most agree that domain name wholesale acquisition costs, at least at expired domain auctions, have kept going up, possibly at a faster rate than retail prices.

Holding Costs Higher

There have been annual increases in renewal costs in most extensions. But renewal costs are not the only holding costs. If you pay $1000 for a domain name, and if the effective interest rate is 4.5%, it means that you are ‘paying’ $45 per year in the form of the cost of money you have tied up. While interests rates are not unduly high, and have gone down slightly, they are higher than they were for many years.

AI Impact on Brandable Market

We don’t really have access to definitive numbers, but I suspect the last year or two have been particularly challenging in the brandable portion of the aftermarket. One reason is that names generated by AI tools have displaced a part of the low end of the brandable market. I believe another reason the brandable sector has been challenging is that many more investors are in that part of the market than used to be the case.

Too Many Domains For Sale?

In the aftermarket overall, there are probably more domain names for sale than has ever been the case. That is not only a problem because more names means more competition for sellers, but large numbers of names make effective domain search more challenging.

Search and AI Changes

As some turn to AI tools instead of search engines, the domain name that hosts relevant material is less prominent. The same is true with Google search summarizing results, rather than simply linking to results. While there are regulatory and legal steps that may counter this, the trend should be of concern to domain investors.

Domain Parking Less Lucrative

There was a time when you could hold a large portfolio essentially cost-free, as returns from parking a portion of the portfolio easily covered renewal costs for all of the names. While some still make significant amounts from parking, overall it is in decline. The Google decision to not forward to parked domains will further impact this.

Commissions Remain High

One might have thought that with automation efficiencies, and larger numbers of names for sale, that commissions, as a percentage, would decrease. But that has not been the case for the most popular selling venues.

Confusion About Domain Names

I think it is likely that the web3 blockchain ‘domain names’ have caused confusion that has hindered the traditional domain name market. It is not so much that these have had a significant impact in drawing end user funds from the aftermarket, but rather, they have made it confusing for potential purchasers.

Premium Renewal Confusion

Speaking of confusion, I think that the practice of registry premium renewals has also spilled over into general confusion about which names might have a premium renewal.

Some Positives

It is not all negative, of course. Here would be my list of some things that have improved.
  • The .ai extension has become the most successful country code of all time.
  • There is no significant evidence of weakening of .com dominance.
  • Ability to manage large domain portfolios at many registrars has never been easier.
  • Competition among registrars has kept prices not much higher than their wholesale costs.
  • It is now easy to attractively present a domain name, including AI-generated logos, product mockups, or descriptions.
  • We live in an era with excellent tools and information sources to help guide domain acquisition and pricing decisions.
  • Buyers can pay in different ways, and can spread costs on monthly payment plans, if desired.
  • A number of new marketplace alternatives have emerged.
  • Information sharing among investors, at sites like NamePros, continues vibrant.
Is There Evidence that Market Down?

I wondered if there was any evidence that the past month has been down, given the economic turbulence. I used NameBio to look only at predominantly retail venues (Sedo and Private) and restricted to .com sales only. Here is what I found:
  • Over the past one month period, 242 sales totalling $3.8 million.
  • If I look at the last three months, and convert to a per month rate, there were 259 sales/month and $3.2 million per month.
  • If I look at preceding 12 month period, I find an average of 413 sales per month, and $4.7 million per month.
I don’t think there is a clear indication of a drop in the domain name market.

In the case of the 2007-2008 economic downturn following the subprime lending crisis, there was an impact on the domain name market, but it had some months lag time. The pandemic onset caused a short term downturn, but that was rapidly erased as businesses turned online, resulting in one of the best years ever in the domain name aftermarket.

What To Do?

So if we do end up in challenging times, how should domain investors respond? The right course will be different for each situation, but below are a few points to consider

Protect Your Best

If sales drop for an extended period, make sure that you retain enough cash to keep renewing your most valuable assets. The starting point should be an assessment of what you consider the top domains in your portfolio.

Watch Trends

Information is power, watch economic indicators carefully. One of the best indicators for the USA is the new business application data provided monthly by the US Census Bureau. At time of writing, the data is only up for the month of January 2025, but I suspect February will be posted within a week or so of this article.

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From US Census Monthly Total Business Applications. The grey graph is the total number, while the orange graph is just companies likely to become businesses with a payroll.

While above shows total, you can also use their interactive visualization to break it down by sector, should your portfolio predominantly hold, for example, health or travel related domain names.

Be Renewal Smart

In times of increasing renewal rates, there is an argument for renewing your best names well in advance. But also the argument to take a critical look at which names truly warrant long-term hold. Also, use tools like TLDES to make sure you are getting competitive rates. Remember that you can use TLD Price Changes to stay on top of upcoming price increases.

Possible Opportunity

If in a position to do so, this may emerge as a time to make smart acquisitions while other investors are curtailing acquisitions. Warren Buffet famously said: “Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy only when others are fearful.”

Marketplace – One Size Does Not Fit All

Paying 25 or 30% commissions really cuts into profitability. Some names will need the exposure offered by the marketplace, but for other names you may mainly need an effective lander. If you can do that effectively at a low commission marketplace, or using NamePros free landers, then your overall effective commission can be reduced.

Take Things Into Your Own Hands

If your names are demonstrably solid, but where you have them listed are not getting many sales or offers, maybe it is time to stand out from the pack and consider promoting your names on your own marketplace. I am not under estimating the challenges, but there has probably never been a better time to do that.

I look forward to hearing what you think in the comment section below.
 
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Half are fake sales & Half are domains sold by domains guru ...imo
 
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Good if you have good names, bad if you have bad names. There were better times for bad names and there were worse times for good names. It has shifted a bit I think.
 
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With any asset class, there are always deals to be made. It's up to you to find out if it's good or bad.
 
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ai is most exciting thing that happened to mankind.
... we had others but not internet back then so forget domains

for reason of ai alone this is probably best time for domains.. or course if u hold good stuff in ai
... and it's also the last great opportunity cause make no mistake about it domains will be in museums only once quantum and ai unleash fully.
 
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This was an excellent and timely post.

I'd been asking the same question myself the last few weeks. I own a small portfolio of dotcoms with less than 300 assets. My STR is close to 3% with focus on brandables. January 2023-April 2024 (exception of September 2024) was the best period of domaining for me thus far as I approach my 10-year anniversary in May.

But it seems like the emergency brakes were released since last June.

Last 9 months has been terrible for many of the reasons mentioned in OP's post. I'd say 1/3 of my dotcoms are direct upgrades with startups using inferior extensions; at least 10% have raised VC monies. I spoke with quite a few startup decision-makers with positive discussions completely stalling or going dark (no explanation provided). My guess from re-reading email exchanges, is the primary reason is sticker shock paralysis but not due to ignorance of domain valuation.

The hesitancy is due to cash hoarding and favoring liquidity.

Stock market observers have spoken at length about Warren Buffet's cash hoarding the last two years. The argument is that a deep recession will hit sometime this year.

I hope OP revisits this post or topic in December because we are in the final month of Q1, the relevant data will be available in April. My gut instinct is that 2025 is similar to 2022 in some ways, a terrible sales year for me. Back in 2022, the first six months of the year was the worst since 2008 for the U.S. economy.

I expect the MSM chatter to confirm a similar report card by June.

End user demand for relevant domains is down but the pent up purchasing power will benefit those with top quality dotcoms. There is too much fog to know the true state of the economy today.
 
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ty Mr. Bob, maybe my 123phone.mobi will finally sell. Heres hoping! 👍
 
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Thank you very much, Sir @Bob Hawkes, for your detailed analysis of the current domain market.

With demand lower and supply increasing, prices have naturally declined. Even the fast-selling 4-letter .com domains have been affected. While AI-related domain names are receiving significant attention, the AI craze will inevitably fade over time.

One major concern is the high cost of Renewal Fees, which registrars should consider reducing. Although discounts are offered for registrations and transfers, but renewals rarely receive such benefits. This makes it increasingly difficult for bulk domain investors, as the renewal costs have become overwhelming.
 
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The big problem I see right now, that never existed in the past, is the rapid cost escalation for renewals.

It's gone crazy lately, from the compounding 10% per annum jump on .COM to the growing cash-grab that is "premium renewals" - the costs are quickly spiraling out of control.

With acquisition prices also increasing, it's a double-edged sword that is really taking a big chunk out of profits of even established domain investors, while putting newbies in a hole they may never dig themselves out of.
 
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The big problem I see right now, that never existed in the past, is the rapid cost escalation for renewals.

It's gone crazy lately, from the compounding 10% per annum jump on .COM to the growing cash-grab that is "premium renewals" - the costs are quickly spiraling out of control.

With acquisition prices also increasing, it's a double-edged sword that is really taking a big chunk out of profits of even established domain investors, while putting newbies in a hole they may never dig themselves out of.
This is because there is an invisible war against us humans!
You don't see it but it is there under our noses, the AI and robotics which promises big fairy tales, but in reality it is against human.
The funded VC's to automate everything are funded by those reptiloids from big corps, as soon the product is finished there is lack of human activity, because humans don't have money to buy from what stole their jobs! The backers know they got what they wanted but the funded ones don't realize that the purpose was achieved, eg more layoffs.
 
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The funded VC's to automate everything are funded by those reptiloids from big corps, as soon the product is finished there is lack of human activity, because humans don't have money to buy from what stole their jobs! The backers know they got what they wanted but the funded ones don't realize that the purpose was achieved, eg more layoffs.

Glad you pointed to the layoffs ignored by the corporate media as they conduct massive layoffs. Disney, Comcast, etc. have all been laying off big numbers of workers. Of course, they aren't going to spend airtime highlighting their downsizing campaign.

You make the same connection I make with AI - more layoffs.

The company line is that AI is going to create all these new jobs to replace the old ones but it is non-sense. A startup graduating from Y-Combinator next week is interested in my dotcom. They are an Ai startup cutting entry-level jobs with enthusiasm based on their public notes.

I look forward to reading about their SEED raise next week or within a few weeks.

As Domain Investors, we are actually one of the few to be positioned to benefit from the rise in Ai and VC funds the industry is vacuuming up. But understand that we are in shrinking demand market, move accordingly.
 
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Another thing that could trigger a downtrend in sales is the improvement in the domain literacy and awareness of endusers.

In the past, .com and a few other extensions enjoyed acceptance and dominance because endusers didn't even know that other extensions existed.

And endusers who knew about the existence of other extensions likely thought they were spammy or scammy.

But now, people are more aware of other extensions and are more inclined to choose readily available domain names in a strange extension that is somehow relevant to their business than pay thousands of dollars for a .com or another one of the more popular extensions.

The more popular the .whatevers become, the less frequent sales in the aftermarket will be.

Afterall, it makes a lot of sense to kickstart a new, and therefore risky, venture with a $20 .whatever handreg than spending thousands to get .com, .org, .ai, .io, etc from the aftermarket.
 
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...consider promoting your names on your own marketplace...

Peep my marketplace in bio, definitely stands out ;)
 
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The more popular the .whatevers become, the less frequent sales in the aftermarket will be.

Afterall, it makes a lot of sense to kickstart a new, and therefore risky, venture with a $20 .whatever handreg than spending thousands to get .com, .org, .ai, .io, etc from the aftermarket.

This is an insightful take.

Many are in denial about the impact of end-user acceptance of non-dotcoms as cheap alternatives until they prove their market position. I'm always astonished by the lack of in-depth info surrounding public sales. Many get super excited to learn this or that domain sold for six or seven figures but overlook the domain had 1 or 2 owners over 25 years.

Most of the blockbuster sales are decades long holds. The truth is, the ability to sell a domain drops drastically the moment the price surpasses $10K, then $25K, $50K, etc. Its those data points that are missing from the dialogue.

I suspect a Domainer washout tsunami is coming end of this year or next year.

OP hints at in his post mentioning the inverse nature of the wholesale vs. retail markets.
Hawkes shares some sage advice for surviving the washout but most will disregard the warning.
 
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The most challenging part of domaining nowadays is acquisition, the task of finding new domains (with decent potential) to buy is becoming very exhausting task and it is more expensive than ever.
 
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Thank you, Bob, for this insightful piece. One key takeaway for me is how the challenges in the domain industry are deeply connected. Despite these challenges, I welcome more people into domain investing. The growing interest in this field shows that more people recognize its potential—an industry with low entry barriers and great opportunities.

Economic uncertainty in the U.S., Canada, Mexico, and Europe might push more people to start their own businesses, driving demand for domains. Likewise, instability in the crypto world could lead wealthy investors to explore ultra-premium and high-quality domain names as alternative assets.

Change brings innovation, growth, and new ways to solve problems. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
 
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Never a bad time to be buying domains, just as back in the 90's there's always a bad time to be naïve, nothings changed.

I do love-it when our 'Freshers' Say I can do that - then demonstrate how they can't. At least in the early days it was the 'internet savvy' that looked for a grip on domain names, now it's nothing more than diving in to free-to-participate franchise, just as Namepros (or any other board) demonstrates

I would rephrase your question to ask is this a bad time to participate in Domain discussions/boards
 
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Acquisition Costs Up

Most agree that domain name wholesale acquisition costs, at least at expired domain auctions, have kept going up, possibly at a faster rate than retail prices.

Thanks again, @Bob Hawkes, for another outstanding article!

According to the laws of supply and demand, this unbalance suggests a growing discrepancy between the wholesale and retail markets. How would you interpret this data?
 
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Half are fake sales & Half are domains sold by domains guru ...imo
99.9999% are fake sales and the rest are selling in between cousins....
 
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Thanks again, @Bob Hawkes, for another outstanding article!

According to the laws of supply and demand, this unbalance suggests a growing discrepancy between the wholesale and retail markets. How would you interpret this data?

The answer is that retail participates in expired domain auctions, and has been for a while. It both drives the prices up (even if the domainer comes out on top) and thus eating away the margin - and plainly deprives investors of the opportunities they might have had. Both registrars and registries are focused on two things, which are not necessarily mutually exclusive: cutting out the domainers and milking us dry.
 
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Thanks @Bob Hawkes for another piece of excellent writing!

Very helpful guide - yet I still believe patience is of paramount importance. Bad decisions are usually made when being impulsive when buying or regging new names.
 
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As some turn to AI tools instead of search engines, the domain name that hosts relevant material is less prominent.
I don't think this will ever change.
 
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I see the industry's one step from a bull market.
17 Mars is the beginning of it!!
Be prepared for eating your part of the cake!
The cherry reserved for me (:
thanks Bobby for the hard work!!
 
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I started in 1999 using the 99 cent coupons and hand reg all my domains....now making big money...best bs stress free hobby
Fly all over the world...now on the warm beaches in da Nang... drinking fresh coconut
Squarely.com
 
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