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strategy Domain Name Investing Is Not Fast, Easy or Sure

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There are numerous books, videos, courses and articles that mention anecdotes of domain names that sold quickly for large amounts, and then say this book will teach you how to easily flip domain names for profit. Most members of our community know that is a misrepresentation; most domain names will not sell for a long time, if ever.

The main point of this article is in the title: domain name investing is not fast, easy, or sure. It is important to have a realistic outlook if you are starting out in domain name investing.

Things Seem Better Than Reality

Every day you hear of significant domain name sales, sometimes even of names that at first glance do not seem that great. While no one posts or writes about all the names that did not sell on a certain day, that is the norm.

It appears that any point in time there are about 40-50 million domain names actively for sale. Over the past 12 months, NameBio shows about 8660 sales at $1000+ from venues that may be retail (I have excluded the expiring auction venues, and some other sites that are mainly wholesale transactions). In other words, about 24 retail sales per day, on average.

Even if only 5% of all retail sales are reported to NameBio, that would scale to just 480 retail sales per day by everyone combined, including the many unreported sales, compared to the 40-50 million names actively for sale. In other words, the probability that any particular name will sell in the next day is of the order of 1 chance in 100,000. That is for names that represent the average – if as a new investor your names are not up to average, the odds will be lower. Many names will never sell, no matter how long you wait.

Survivorship Bias

Most people you see making sales have survived in this business to get to the point of making regular sales. Unless you are incredibly skilled, innovative, hard working, or fortunate, that is not the reality for most starting out. There is a real survivorship bias – we tend to selectively see only those who have succeeded.

The reality is more like the situation summarized by @Matt Morgan in a 2020 NamePros discussion:
For many domainers it took years to actually see a return or profit from their initial investments. They tried many domain strategies, some worked some didn't and then eventually they made their first sales.

Don’t Quit Your Job

While I understand the sentiment of those who wish to make domain name investment a full-time job, I don’t think it is wise to even consider that as a possibility starting out.

Even with moderately large high-quality portfolios, sales will be unsteady for most. It is too risky to depend early in your domain career on domain sales revenue as a full time income.

Another advantage of not going full time, you are in a better position in negotiations if you don’t depend on regular revenue from domain names.

Some will move into domain investing full time, but you should only think about that possibility after several years of domain sales profitability.

Never Invest Money You Need

You should Never invest in domain names money that you need for living or other expenses. If you already did this, concentrate on getting out of it by finding other jobs or ways to earn money, not by throwing more money at domain investing, hoping that one of the names will sell.

Domain name investing should only be done with a portion of funding that you have available for long-term investing, fully realizing the potential risks and rewards. The questions in the next section highlight some of the risks.

Questions To Ask Before A Domain Acquisition

For those considering investing in domain names, here is a list of questions to ask:
  • Is this money I need for living expenses? If yes, don’t even consider this or any domain name acquisition.
  • Do I need this name to sell in the next year to be OK? Then save your money, because odds are against that happening.
  • Do I clearly understand the probability of this name selling over the first year? If not, read about sell-through rates here.
  • Do I have any reservations about this name? Make a list, and fully consider each point.
  • Have I tried to convince myself not to acquire this name? If not, pause and do that. Tony @blogspotter wisely reminded his followers on X of that this week.
  • Have I done the research on this potential acquisition? There are many articles on the NamePros Blog to help with that, including Process to Rate and Price a Domain Name and Process to Rate a Domain Name Part 2.
  • Have I thought about this awhile, or is this an impulse acquisition? Many potential acquisitions look less rosy the next day.
  • Do I know who might buy this name? I don’t mean which particular company, but in general is there an established or likely near-future interest in names like this?
  • For this acquisition, am I overly influenced by one particular company? Then you should probably not be considering this acquisition, since many such names come with potential legal issues. You don’t need that risk.
  • Have I decided how to retail price this name? If not, do that first, see above links on how to analyze and price a domain name. Make sure the price and likely sell-through rate make sense in terms of acquisition and holding costs.
  • Am I acquiring this name based on one high-value sale? That is normally not a good strategy. Names sometimes sell for various reasons, often just because one buyer wants that particular name. That does not mean that there are necessarily other similarly motivated buyers.
  • Do I really understand this name? While tempting to invest in trends when you see other people making sales, it usually does not turn out well to invest in trends, sectors or niches that you don’t understand at a deep level.
  • Can I emotionally handle this name not selling for a long time or ever? How will you feel after paying to acquire this name, and paying renewals for 5 or more years, and still no sale or offers?
  • Is this the best way to use this money?
Set Fences

I know how addictive domain name investing can be, and how easy it is to invest in domain names you should have avoided. I have personally done that numerous times.

I find the idea of fences to help control acquisitions helpful. Set and follow limits on how many names, or how much you will spend.

Better yet, link those controls to success, such as: I will stop investing in names until I sell one, and then only use the proceeds from that sale.

Nikul: Build A Reservoir

But what if times are good? Sales are happening, profits coming in, you are flush with cash. That is the time for unbridled expansion and acquisitions, right? Don’t let the opportunity of that cash go to waste, put it to work.

The most valuable thing I saw posted on X this week was by @Nikul Sanghvi of Hypernames on the idea of building a reservoir during the good times, to help you get through the slow times. He kindly gave me permission to share his complete post with you for this article.

Nikul starts off with the volatility that is part of domain name investing:
In the midst of a prolonged drought in sales, you'll often hear/read other investors saying that they are having their best month ever. And when it is raining sales, we feel like a genius – and wonder why others aren't experiencing the same.
Here's the truth: the domain game is volatile and random. And this is especially true if you have a small or medium sized portfolio – sales are unpredictable.
Then he goes on to how to respond to this volatility.
So how do you reduce the stress and impact of these dry spells?

You build a reservoir.
When times are good, it will seem like an opportunity cost to have that cash just sitting there, doing nothing. It'll feel like an unnecessary luxury. And when you need it least, it looks like a pointless exercise. You'll be tempted to spend it – but just remember: your reservoir is an insurance against hard times, when cash flow is reduced.
When the drought comes, that capital will protect you and help you sleep at night. You won't need to liquidate domains in a panic to stay afloat, or hastily trim the portfolio to reduce costs.Instead, you'll be able to ride out the heat with a calm mind, maybe adjust a little if you need... and then wait patiently until it rains again.
He shared his personal view for a sufficient reservoir.
Everyone's idea of safety is different, but for me, it looks like 6-12 months of renewal fees. And if domain names are your only source of income, I'd aim for 6-12 months of living expenses too.
You can see the original post on X, or follow Hypernames.

Find Balance

Finding balance is key in life. Domain investing is no different. Don’t just spend time acquiring domain names. Balance that with spending time increasing the odds existing names will sell.

Also, balance with time spent building skills and learning new things. Become a smarter and better-informed domain name investor.

Also seek overall life balance, in terms of time with friends and family, time on your main job, time to stay fit and healthy, and time to do things that you enjoy.

If It Is So Hard, Why Be In Domain Investing At All?

This is a good question, but it does have several good answers.
  • There are numerous individuals who have done very well in domain investing, so success is possible.
  • Once you assemble a quality portfolio, it can be a source of supplemental income without a huge amount of ongoing work.
  • Perhaps you find the challenges and opportunities of domain investing interesting and something you like doing. Many like chasing down the special names in auctions or closeouts, creating brandable names, research, outbound, or negotiation aspects.
  • Another reason is to try your innovative ideas for the industry. While many ideas will not work out, I love reading ideas people bring to NamePros for transforming the industry, or at least trying something new.
  • With relatively modest overhead costs, the ability to work anywhere and any time, domain activities can make a good part-time gig for some. It is relatively easy to scale to a level that is right for you personally.
  • You may get satisfaction from domaining. For example, I really like to see domain names I helped create, identify, or bring to market availability used in new businesses.
  • You enjoy interacting with the people of domains. The global domain name community, including here at NamePros, is a collection of interesting and helpful people. It is a lively and dynamic place.
The comment about domain name investing not being fast or easy has been said many times by many people – I don’t know who first said it. The idea was one, of many, ideas mentioned in the NamePros Blog article Domain Name Investment Dos and Don’ts. You may find that article a good complement to this one.

I would love to hear your ideas and opinions in the comment section below. A few possibilities:
  • How do you find balance?
  • If you have been in domaining for some time, how long did it take to reach profitability?
  • What keeps you in domain investing?
  • Do you have an adequate reservoir against lean times? How do you define the right reservoir?
  • What one piece of advice do you think is most important for those starting out?

Update July 29, 2024 The limit for the sales filter at NameBio had been entered as $500 but was converted to $1000, so that value has been corrected in the article.

Special thanks to @Nikul Sanghvi for all that he has contributed at NamePros and to domaining in general, and in particular for the reservoir section of this article.
 
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Most of the names I see people hawking in here there is no damn way they are making money.
 
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I will add that sometimes a flukey sale, early in someone's domain investing journey, can be a negative.

It can give you unrealistic expectations, or send you down the wrong path by doubling down on the wrong type of domains.

That describes me all the way.

In Year 1 - 2015, I struggled mightily building a portfolio but a total fluke sale closed to end the year. At the time I thought after buying 99% of hot garbage, I'd figured out a formula. I made the mistake of re-investing 100% of my earnings from my first high four figure sale.

Took 3 years just to clear my portfolio of nearly 500 domains of hot garbage diminishing my first sale.
I was back at break-even by 2020.

Stepped away from domaining for nearly two years.

My formula didn't start to click until 2021.
Current portfolio is 200 dotcoms with a higher than average STR.

But the last 3 months of 2024 has seen several high potential deals deadlocked with no movement.

Hence, my ability to laugh off the get rich quick clout chasers too prevalent on social media.
 
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There are two primary reasons an end user will inherently have interest in buying a domain, that newbies are misled into overlooking (I can only speak for dotcom):

1. Exact-Brand Match
2. Category lead gen

Ex:
(1) Nike using Nike.us, but you own Nike.com
(2) Nike sells shoes & apparel but you own Shoes.com

From my experience, end users tend to prioritize category #1 over #2.

I rarely ever buy any domains that don't fit the two categories above because it becomes too speculative. You can still find yourself marred in bidding wars for dotcoms that don't fit within EBM or Category lead gen.

To sell a domain above $10K almost by default requires a burning desire matched with an understanding of how the specific domain fits into their overall branding and marketing strategy. Rare.

Not a get rich quick scheme by any means but for many a get poor quickly cash burn.
 
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Sisyphus work is another good description for domaining. When you think you got it and harvesting will last longer then reality will prove the opposite. My most profitable year was 2022 and income tax for it was due in early 2024 after months of low tide. And, of course, I had not made enough provisions.

I would not recommend anybody to start domaining for investment purposes. If at all buy and hodl good LLL or one word coms. This is what industry pros recommended for many years and they were always right.

For those who love their desktop sitting survival camp and struggle between alchemist belief and dopamine abuse: Imagine you invested your name cash in Berkshire Hathaway stock (no secret since 2003?) or in FAANG+M+N stocks (no secret since 2013?) or in Bitcoin (no secret since 2020?) and start calculating money and time.

This reads like a repeated message to myself.
 
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There are two primary reasons an end user will inherently have interest in buying a domain, that newbies are misled into overlooking (I can only speak for dotcom):

1. Exact-Brand Match
2. Category lead gen

Ex:
(1) Nike using Nike.us, but you own Nike.com
(2) Nike sells shoes & apparel but you own Shoes.com

From my experience, end users tend to prioritize category #1 over #2.

I rarely ever buy any domains that don't fit the two categories above because it becomes too speculative. You can still find yourself marred in bidding wars for dotcoms that don't fit within EBM or Category lead gen.

To sell a domain above $10K almost by default requires a burning desire matched with an understanding of how the specific domain fits into their overall branding and marketing strategy. Rare.

Not a get rich quick scheme by any means but for many a get poor quickly cash burn.
Interesting. I like your angle.
 
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Most of the names I see people hawking in here there is no damn way they are making money.

Agreed.

For context the poster saying he finds making money easy and is the exception, is selling the following domains:

chinesezombies.com
dickhomes.com
legalizeblackness.com

Perhaps, we can all learn from his skills.
 
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Agreed.

For context the poster saying he finds making money easy and is the exception, is selling the following domains:

chinesezombies.com
dickhomes.com
legalizeblackness.com

Perhaps, we can all learn from his skills.
This is a fantastic comment. The majority of the people on this forum talk about making all this money and are pushing junk names and bumping them everyday.

Bro, nobody wants your junk names.

Unless you were lucky enough to be registering names 20+ years ago you are not going to make real money. I know that's an unpopular opinion among some but I will die on that hill. Making the occasional $50 every few weeks is not success.
 
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The bar for acquisitions is extremely low when it comes to registering domains. Registrars have simplified the process. It's appealing and deceptive at the same time. You can amass a portfolio relatively quickly. Raw enthusiasm can fuel unrealistic expectations. What this boils down to is the education comes after the purchase. The reality of STR is a metric you're grounded into accepting.

I didn't find out about namePros until well after the fact.

It's rare to research prior to jumping in feet or head first. Trial by fire is a strong motivator, unfortunately you get burned in the process.

My entry into domaining was a fast walk to the middle of the pool, the undercurrent is sweeping me into the deep end. I don't have a life preserver and my YMCA swim lessons ended at guppy. Fortunately I know how to float, tread water, and swim short distances.

With that being said perseverance, honesty about the commercial aspect of your name(s), and investment income will contribute towards a sustainable investment strategy.
 
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Agreed.

For context the poster saying he finds making money easy and is the exception, is selling the following domains:

chinesezombies.com
dickhomes.com
legalizeblackness.com

Perhaps, we can all learn from his skills.
Thanks
I hand reg those at $4.99 coupons
All my domains are hand reg
 
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Like watching paint dry.

I agree there are many uncertainties, setbacks and learning from mistakes. I think thats why we celebrate reported sales so much. It can be hard to get those.

Great article probably your best especially for a newb to read.
 
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It appears that any point in time there are about 40-50 million domain names actively for sale. Over the past 12 months, NameBio shows about 8660 sales at $500+ from venues that may be retail (I have excluded the expiring auction venues, and some other sites that are mainly wholesale transactions). In other words, about 24 retail sales per day, on average.

Even if only 5% of all retail sales are reported to NameBio, that would scale to just 480 retail sales per day by everyone combined, including the many unreported sales, compared to the 40-50 million names actively for sale. In other words, the probability that any particular name will sell in the next day is of the order of 1 chance in 100,000. That is for names that represent the average – if as a new investor your names are not up to average, the odds will be lower. Many names will never sell, no matter how long you wait.

Bob, awesome writing, as always.

While I don't disagree with any of the recommendations, I do quite the opposite of almost all of them. But it works for me, so I am fine with it. Also, sometimes doing things counter to common strategy is a good strategy in itself.

Now, regarding the numbers. "Even if only 5%...". What if this is "Even if only 1%..."? Then suddenly you get completely different picture. So, that makes it an important question, since it is the basis of further analysis. Where did 5% come from and why not 1% or 10%? And where is 40-50 mill names come from? When Afternic was showing the number of listed names, it was in 22-23 mill range. I would assume 80%-90% of all domains in extensions that are responsible for 95%+ of all sales are listed on Afternic, no? So I was expecting no more than 25-30 mill total domains for sale.
 
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But it works for me, so I am fine with it. Also, sometimes doing things counter to common strategy is a good strategy in itself.
I agree so much with the above sentiment. The most significant success will probably come to those who, in some way, do things counter to a common strategy. Thank you for sharing that important perspective.

Where did 5% come from and why not 1% or 10%?
Let me first say it is possible that it is somewhere in the range you suggest. That is why I expressed my final answer only to 1 significant figure (1 in 100,000).

We have the sales from the Sedo feed which I believe is almost all (a few paid for privacy) sales $2000 and up. In terms of number of listings, I believe both Sedo and Afternic have about 24 million, many of which are in common, while last numbers I saw for Dan were about 10 million. So if we thought Sedo and Afternic sold at same rate (they appear not to) then by knowing what fraction of retail sales $500 (my limit for this analysis) to $1999 vs $2000+ we could get an overall number easily. Unfortunately, we don't know the Afternic data. In terms of the big 3, I think the fraction reported is not very different than 5% (but essentially all from Sedo).

We have some unknown portion of the private sales. Is it 5%? I think it is not that different from that. Keep in mind NameBio has broadened their net, and there is a growing trend of sellers to report sales in other ways. Also, some of the sales I excluded from auctions are actually retail, and that would impact numbers.

The brandable places don't report sales normally. At some brandable markets, users can report their own sales, and some not. Probably less than 5% of brandable sales get reported.

We also need to consider the big players. Huge Domains don't report sales AFAIK. BuyDomains has a feed that NameBio picks up. They don't report sales below a certain value. It appears from research done by others that some other sales are not reported. DomainMarket report selected sales. I think overall we are probably seeing 5%, of sales almost entirely via BuyDomains.

So in that vague, and probably unsatisfying, justification, it seems to me 5% is not seriously wrong. Could it be 3%? Sure. 8% probably. 10% possibly. 1% maybe. That is why one significant figure in answer. The point was not the number, but to counter an incorrect perception that picking up some low cost average names they are likely to be sellable with a short holding time.
I would assume 80%-90% of all domains in extensions that are responsible for 95%+ of all sales are listed on Afternic, no?
In the course of researching the hundreds of articles, and in looking at competitors of names I am considering, I have spent more time than I feel good about seeing if a name is listed for sale. Before they disabled search I was a frequent user of Afternic and Sedo search, and now use GD Auctions to search for Afternic listings. While many domain names are listed on Afternic, I don't think it is nearly as high as you assume.

It is a weird phenomena that I can't explain but certain sellers seem to always sell at Afternic, and even when they try other venues, nothing sells except through Afternic. Those sellers of course always list at Afternic unless there is a reason (like extension or name Afternic will not list).

So you asked about the 40-50 million. Possibly it is lower than 40 million but I don't think by much. Here is my thinking:
  • When they reported numbers, Afternic had 24 million, Sedo about the same, and Dan about 10 million
  • But you can't add those because many are the same. But not everyone lists at all, in fact I am not sure half of the people list on all 3.
  • There are of course some false listings on most marketplaces, that would need to be subtracted.
  • But we also have the brandable places, Efty market (almost 700,000 today), the big players, people who sell from their own site, people who park and then use a link for their sale but don't list on Afternic, etc.
  • Based on what I found in various searches (yes an anecdotal impression from maybe tens of thousands of searches over years), it seems to me that easily half of names actively for sale are not listed on Afternic, which leads to a figure near the 50 million. Afternic still has room that it could grow and become even bigger by getting these people to list.
  • Another argument is if one takes the number of .com names that are registered minus the number in use, that is much higher than even 50 million. In some sense many of these names are probably for sale, true they are not all actively for sale. The GD Agent system in a way makes any name that is not listed for sale still potentially for sale by reaching out to owner. The actively for sale itself is a fuzzy boundary.
So I feel confident that there are at least 40 million names actively for sale, maybe many more. I am not sure how much higher than 50 million the possible total number is.

Thanks for your valuable comment and for the good questions. I know my response is not the precise justification you might have hoped for, but is my best try.

Have a good day.

-Bob

PS My secondary goal in analyzing 6 months of NamePros members reported sales was actually to try to answer this question more precisely, but that is still a work in progress.
 
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Your constant spamming of your domains is tacky, tasteless, annoying, and adds nothing.
Every time you and others like you post, you are spamming your domains listed in your signature.

Your focus and a few others on listing their domains in their signature is the worst kind of spam.

We are fellow domainers, I don't care about your domains outside of the buy or sell sections.

Listing your domains in your signature is bad community behavior.
Forum participants should stop this practice.

I'm not the only user that has noticed this deceptive spam behavior.

Why are forum participants allowed to add a bunch of junk domains to their signature to skirt forum rules on domain spamming?

it's not llike anyone believes him anyway. without posting names and prices nothing counts on np
 
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it's not llike anyone believes him anyway. without posting names and prices nothing counts on np

Agreed.

Yet, those like him continue to junk spam.
I see enough of the junk domain spamming and sell fabrications on Domain X/Twitter.

When I visit NP, I think of it more as a visit to a trade association meeting.
The expectation is for a more sophisticated level discussion among peers.

We would all benefit if the signature domain spamming was brought to an end.
 
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Agreed.

Yet, those like him continue to junk spam.
I see enough of the junk domain spamming and sell fabrications on Domain X/Twitter.

When I visit NP, I think of it more as a visit to a trade association meeting.
The expectation is for a more sophisticated level discussion among peers.

We would all benefit if the signature domain spamming was brought to an end.

agreed. luckily here we also have ignore button.
 
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Thanks, Bob. Great information and reflections. This is exactly what I needed to read today to be realistic about domain investing. I love the concept of building a reservoir. Also, valuable comments here. Thanks to all the experienced domainers sharing here too.

It would be great to know more details about all the domains that never sell and how they impact overall.
 
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It would be great to know more details about all the domains that never sell and how they impact overall.
Thank you for your positive comment, and welcome to NamePros.

With respect to this question, I guess the first thing is that names that are worthwhile, but odds are will not sell for many years, carry holding costs all of those years. Therefore you need to make enough on the names that do sell to make up for this. You may find the following article helpful background on that topic.

The Minimum Domain Price for Profitability

I guess the other point is the fewer names one holds that have low probability of ever selling, the more profitable your overall portfolio will be. The problem of course is that it is hard to know which names might sell.

Not all of the tools/resources mentioned in the following 2021 article still exist, but it may be helpful on some of the things to decide on whether to renew a domain name or let it expire.

How to Decide Which Domain Names to Renew

Ultimately, it is a hard decision that we all face. In general, it is better to have fewer, but higher quality, domain names. It is important to at least consider whether to renew or not each name each year, not just automatically renew.

-Bob
 
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where is 40-50 mill names come from?
Just an added note, when it was still operational Dofo allowed us to get an estimate for the domain names listed on the main marketplaces (I think they covered Afternic, Sedo, Dan and a few other sites). I dug back to see what it was in one of my analyses that with Dofo data. In early January 2023 the article Dollar Volume Per Listing shared that particular week Dofo showed 24,551,868 domains actively for sale on marketplaces. That figure does not count names in duplicate. But it only counts names in marketplaces that they could access.

I believe, as I recall (someone correct me if I am wrong), the Dofo number did not include the brandable marketplaces, various small marketplaces, most registrar marketplaces, nor Efty listings, nor most or all of the big sellers. Also it misses all names that are being sold privately and not on one of the main marketplaces.

So that gives me confidence that the total number, even if there has not been much growth since then, must be not far from the 40 million mentioned in this article.

-Bob
 
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I agree so much with the above sentiment. The most significant success will probably come to those who, in some way, do things counter to a common strategy. Thank you for sharing that important perspective.


Let me first say it is possible that it is somewhere in the range you suggest. That is why I expressed my final answer only to 1 significant figure (1 in 100,000).

We have the sales from the Sedo feed which I believe is almost all (a few paid for privacy) sales $2000 and up. In terms of number of listings, I believe both Sedo and Afternic have about 24 million, many of which are in common, while last numbers I saw for Dan were about 10 million. So if we thought Sedo and Afternic sold at same rate (they appear not to) then by knowing what fraction of retail sales $500 (my limit for this analysis) to $1999 vs $2000+ we could get an overall number easily. Unfortunately, we don't know the Afternic data. In terms of the big 3, I think the fraction reported is not very different than 5% (but essentially all from Sedo).

We have some unknown portion of the private sales. Is it 5%? I think it is not that different from that. Keep in mind NameBio has broadened their net, and there is a growing trend of sellers to report sales in other ways. Also, some of the sales I excluded from auctions are actually retail, and that would impact numbers.

The brandable places don't report sales normally. At some brandable markets, users can report their own sales, and some not. Probably less than 5% of brandable sales get reported.

We also need to consider the big players. Huge Domains don't report sales AFAIK. BuyDomains has a feed that NameBio picks up. They don't report sales below a certain value. It appears from research done by others that some other sales are not reported. DomainMarket report selected sales. I think overall we are probably seeing 5%, of sales almost entirely via BuyDomains.

So in that vague, and probably unsatisfying, justification, it seems to me 5% is not seriously wrong. Could it be 3%? Sure. 8% probably. 10% possibly. 1% maybe. That is why one significant figure in answer. The point was not the number, but to counter an incorrect perception that picking up some low cost average names they are likely to be sellable with a short holding time.

In the course of researching the hundreds of articles, and in looking at competitors of names I am considering, I have spent more time than I feel good about seeing if a name is listed for sale. Before they disabled search I was a frequent user of Afternic and Sedo search, and now use GD Auctions to search for Afternic listings. While many domain names are listed on Afternic, I don't think it is nearly as high as you assume.

It is a weird phenomena that I can't explain but certain sellers seem to always sell at Afternic, and even when they try other venues, nothing sells except through Afternic. Those sellers of course always list at Afternic unless there is a reason (like extension or name Afternic will not list).

So you asked about the 40-50 million. Possibly it is lower than 40 million but I don't think by much. Here is my thinking:
  • When they reported numbers, Afternic had 24 million, Sedo about the same, and Dan about 10 million
  • But you can't add those because many are the same. But not everyone lists at all, in fact I am not sure half of the people list on all 3.
  • But we also have the brandable places, Efty market (almost 700,000 today), the big players, people who sell from their own site, people who park and then use a link for their sale but don't list on Afternic, etc.
  • Based on what I found in various searches (yes an anecdotal impression from maybe tens of thousands of searches over years), it seems to me that easily half of names actively for sale are not listed on Afternic, which leads to a figure near the 50 million. Afternic still has room that it could grow and become even bigger by getting these people to list.
  • Another argument is if one takes the number of .com names that are registered minus the number in use, that is much higher than even 50 million. In some sense many of these names are probably for sale, true they are not all actively for sale. The GD Agent system in a way makes any name that is not listed for sale still potentially for sale by reaching out to owner. The actively for sale itself is a fuzzy boundary.
So I feel confident that there are at least 40 million names actively for sale, maybe many more. I am not sure how much higher than 50 million the possible total number is.

Thanks for your valuable comment and for the good questions. I know my response is not the precise justification you might have hoped for, but is my best try.

Have a good day.

-Bob

PS My secondary goal in analyzing 6 months of NamePros members reported sales was actually to try to answer this question more precisely, but that is still a work in progress.

I appreciate you being open to feedback. I will just share my own experience and thinking.

First, I do check lots of names daily when analyzing names I want to buy. And I very rarely come across a name that has a lander for sale, but, yet, is not listed on Afternic.

One reason being that not listing on Afternic is like shooting yourself in the foot. You'd be losing 40-60% of all potential sales, while fully incurring all the costs. And that amount does make the difference between being profitable and making a loss. Even those having their own landers, marketplace etc. can't ignore Afternic. Even BB, SH etc. eventually had to cave in and allow listing there.

So, I am positive that if 22-23MM names are listed on AN, total actively for sale names (I'd ignore those "won't mind" type, as with the whois privacy the chance of making sale without listing and/or lander is close to zero) is under 30MM. Let's assume 30MM.

Furthermore, I'd assume that only around 10MM of those names are of the quality that could provide 1% STR, the golden standard of the industry. The remaining 20MM would average around 0.4% STR (very optimistically), since if the name's quality doesn't fit certain minimum quality standards and is priced at $xxxx or higher, the chance of a sale goes down logarithmically.

So, 1%*10MM=100 000 sales. 0.4%*20MM = 80000 sales. Total = 180 000 domain sales in a year. 8660 of those reported would mean ... around 4-5%. So, basically, I arrived at your number, although it would have been lower if I assumed 40-50MM names for sale (would have been 2-3% reported).

Also, here is the thing. BuyDomains is probably singlehandedly responsible for relatively high reported %, as they daily reported almost half of the number Namebio is getting.
 
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Thanks for taking the time in your analysis and glad that to the one significant figure precision stated we essentially agree on the final number.

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Also, here is the thing. BuyDomains is probably singlehandedly responsible for relatively high reported %, as they daily reported almost half of the number Namebio is getting.
I just checked the numbers for a few of the venues. For $1k+ sales over past 12 months (note not same period as data for this article) reported on NameBio
  • 2887 Sedo
  • 3126 BuyDomains
  • 837 private
  • 108 Domain Market
So I agree BuyDomains a significant part of retail. Would be wonderful if we had more complete coverage from more venues.

Also the registrar marketplaces are difficult to analyze. While many wholesale transactions, they do have significant retail numbers too. For example Namecheap marketplace has 4 $100,000+ sales so far in 2024, Dynadot market has 1 over $100,000 in 2024 and 3 more over $50,000.

-Bob

PS Just wanted to say I really like the following way of thinking... I may 'borrow' your technique in some future analyses on some topic, look at STR as not one number, but set of numbers for different buckets.
"assume that only around 10MM of those names are of the quality that could provide 1% STR, the golden standard of the industry. The remaining 20MM would average around 0.4% STR (very optimistically"
 
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