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There are numerous books, videos, courses and articles that mention anecdotes of domain names that sold quickly for large amounts, and then say this book will teach you how to easily flip domain names for profit. Most members of our community know that is a misrepresentation; most domain names will not sell for a long time, if ever.

The main point of this article is in the title: domain name investing is not fast, easy, or sure. It is important to have a realistic outlook if you are starting out in domain name investing.

Things Seem Better Than Reality

Every day you hear of significant domain name sales, sometimes even of names that at first glance do not seem that great. While no one posts or writes about all the names that did not sell on a certain day, that is the norm.

It appears that any point in time there are about 40-50 million domain names actively for sale. Over the past 12 months, NameBio shows about 8660 sales at $1000+ from venues that may be retail (I have excluded the expiring auction venues, and some other sites that are mainly wholesale transactions). In other words, about 24 retail sales per day, on average.

Even if only 5% of all retail sales are reported to NameBio, that would scale to just 480 retail sales per day by everyone combined, including the many unreported sales, compared to the 40-50 million names actively for sale. In other words, the probability that any particular name will sell in the next day is of the order of 1 chance in 100,000. That is for names that represent the average – if as a new investor your names are not up to average, the odds will be lower. Many names will never sell, no matter how long you wait.

Survivorship Bias

Most people you see making sales have survived in this business to get to the point of making regular sales. Unless you are incredibly skilled, innovative, hard working, or fortunate, that is not the reality for most starting out. There is a real survivorship bias – we tend to selectively see only those who have succeeded.

The reality is more like the situation summarized by @Matt Morgan in a 2020 NamePros discussion:
For many domainers it took years to actually see a return or profit from their initial investments. They tried many domain strategies, some worked some didn't and then eventually they made their first sales.

Don’t Quit Your Job

While I understand the sentiment of those who wish to make domain name investment a full-time job, I don’t think it is wise to even consider that as a possibility starting out.

Even with moderately large high-quality portfolios, sales will be unsteady for most. It is too risky to depend early in your domain career on domain sales revenue as a full time income.

Another advantage of not going full time, you are in a better position in negotiations if you don’t depend on regular revenue from domain names.

Some will move into domain investing full time, but you should only think about that possibility after several years of domain sales profitability.

Never Invest Money You Need

You should Never invest in domain names money that you need for living or other expenses. If you already did this, concentrate on getting out of it by finding other jobs or ways to earn money, not by throwing more money at domain investing, hoping that one of the names will sell.

Domain name investing should only be done with a portion of funding that you have available for long-term investing, fully realizing the potential risks and rewards. The questions in the next section highlight some of the risks.

Questions To Ask Before A Domain Acquisition

For those considering investing in domain names, here is a list of questions to ask:
  • Is this money I need for living expenses? If yes, don’t even consider this or any domain name acquisition.
  • Do I need this name to sell in the next year to be OK? Then save your money, because odds are against that happening.
  • Do I clearly understand the probability of this name selling over the first year? If not, read about sell-through rates here.
  • Do I have any reservations about this name? Make a list, and fully consider each point.
  • Have I tried to convince myself not to acquire this name? If not, pause and do that. Tony @blogspotter wisely reminded his followers on X of that this week.
  • Have I done the research on this potential acquisition? There are many articles on the NamePros Blog to help with that, including Process to Rate and Price a Domain Name and Process to Rate a Domain Name Part 2.
  • Have I thought about this awhile, or is this an impulse acquisition? Many potential acquisitions look less rosy the next day.
  • Do I know who might buy this name? I don’t mean which particular company, but in general is there an established or likely near-future interest in names like this?
  • For this acquisition, am I overly influenced by one particular company? Then you should probably not be considering this acquisition, since many such names come with potential legal issues. You don’t need that risk.
  • Have I decided how to retail price this name? If not, do that first, see above links on how to analyze and price a domain name. Make sure the price and likely sell-through rate make sense in terms of acquisition and holding costs.
  • Am I acquiring this name based on one high-value sale? That is normally not a good strategy. Names sometimes sell for various reasons, often just because one buyer wants that particular name. That does not mean that there are necessarily other similarly motivated buyers.
  • Do I really understand this name? While tempting to invest in trends when you see other people making sales, it usually does not turn out well to invest in trends, sectors or niches that you don’t understand at a deep level.
  • Can I emotionally handle this name not selling for a long time or ever? How will you feel after paying to acquire this name, and paying renewals for 5 or more years, and still no sale or offers?
  • Is this the best way to use this money?
Set Fences

I know how addictive domain name investing can be, and how easy it is to invest in domain names you should have avoided. I have personally done that numerous times.

I find the idea of fences to help control acquisitions helpful. Set and follow limits on how many names, or how much you will spend.

Better yet, link those controls to success, such as: I will stop investing in names until I sell one, and then only use the proceeds from that sale.

Nikul: Build A Reservoir

But what if times are good? Sales are happening, profits coming in, you are flush with cash. That is the time for unbridled expansion and acquisitions, right? Don’t let the opportunity of that cash go to waste, put it to work.

The most valuable thing I saw posted on X this week was by @Nikul Sanghvi of Hypernames on the idea of building a reservoir during the good times, to help you get through the slow times. He kindly gave me permission to share his complete post with you for this article.

Nikul starts off with the volatility that is part of domain name investing:
In the midst of a prolonged drought in sales, you'll often hear/read other investors saying that they are having their best month ever. And when it is raining sales, we feel like a genius – and wonder why others aren't experiencing the same.
Here's the truth: the domain game is volatile and random. And this is especially true if you have a small or medium sized portfolio – sales are unpredictable.
Then he goes on to how to respond to this volatility.
So how do you reduce the stress and impact of these dry spells?

You build a reservoir.
When times are good, it will seem like an opportunity cost to have that cash just sitting there, doing nothing. It'll feel like an unnecessary luxury. And when you need it least, it looks like a pointless exercise. You'll be tempted to spend it – but just remember: your reservoir is an insurance against hard times, when cash flow is reduced.
When the drought comes, that capital will protect you and help you sleep at night. You won't need to liquidate domains in a panic to stay afloat, or hastily trim the portfolio to reduce costs.Instead, you'll be able to ride out the heat with a calm mind, maybe adjust a little if you need... and then wait patiently until it rains again.
He shared his personal view for a sufficient reservoir.
Everyone's idea of safety is different, but for me, it looks like 6-12 months of renewal fees. And if domain names are your only source of income, I'd aim for 6-12 months of living expenses too.
You can see the original post on X, or follow Hypernames.

Find Balance

Finding balance is key in life. Domain investing is no different. Don’t just spend time acquiring domain names. Balance that with spending time increasing the odds existing names will sell.

Also, balance with time spent building skills and learning new things. Become a smarter and better-informed domain name investor.

Also seek overall life balance, in terms of time with friends and family, time on your main job, time to stay fit and healthy, and time to do things that you enjoy.

If It Is So Hard, Why Be In Domain Investing At All?

This is a good question, but it does have several good answers.
  • There are numerous individuals who have done very well in domain investing, so success is possible.
  • Once you assemble a quality portfolio, it can be a source of supplemental income without a huge amount of ongoing work.
  • Perhaps you find the challenges and opportunities of domain investing interesting and something you like doing. Many like chasing down the special names in auctions or closeouts, creating brandable names, research, outbound, or negotiation aspects.
  • Another reason is to try your innovative ideas for the industry. While many ideas will not work out, I love reading ideas people bring to NamePros for transforming the industry, or at least trying something new.
  • With relatively modest overhead costs, the ability to work anywhere and any time, domain activities can make a good part-time gig for some. It is relatively easy to scale to a level that is right for you personally.
  • You may get satisfaction from domaining. For example, I really like to see domain names I helped create, identify, or bring to market availability used in new businesses.
  • You enjoy interacting with the people of domains. The global domain name community, including here at NamePros, is a collection of interesting and helpful people. It is a lively and dynamic place.
The comment about domain name investing not being fast or easy has been said many times by many people – I don’t know who first said it. The idea was one, of many, ideas mentioned in the NamePros Blog article Domain Name Investment Dos and Don’ts. You may find that article a good complement to this one.

I would love to hear your ideas and opinions in the comment section below. A few possibilities:
  • How do you find balance?
  • If you have been in domaining for some time, how long did it take to reach profitability?
  • What keeps you in domain investing?
  • Do you have an adequate reservoir against lean times? How do you define the right reservoir?
  • What one piece of advice do you think is most important for those starting out?

Update July 29, 2024 The limit for the sales filter at NameBio had been entered as $500 but was converted to $1000, so that value has been corrected in the article.

Special thanks to @Nikul Sanghvi for all that he has contributed at NamePros and to domaining in general, and in particular for the reservoir section of this article.
 
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Great sharing,

couldn't agree more.
 
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nice.. but like I always tell people if u live usa Canada and similar u are seriously poor with say 50k in bank and say 1 to 2k income per month. whereas in india Nigeria Russia Romania etc u basically live in total comfort for many years. when u look at it this way plus the fact that domains are probably the best nomad type job ever moving to such poorer countries is a great idea... which many follow. the list of such countries is huge.
I think that you are behind with cost of living in some areas: I think that in most of India abd Nigeria you are mostly right, bu try to do that in Moscow or Bucharest, even in most big cities from Russia or Romania, the cost of living is only 20-30% less than in an average big city in the west, so you will not have a comfortable life.
 
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Great article, Bob.
As an example, when you are just starting in domaining, selling wholesale or doing outbound for low xxx will give you a lot of experience and a lot of cash flow. I've sold over 1k domains in my first few years in domaining, which helped me gain lots of experience ( over 1k domains pushed or transferred away will translate in knowledge more than any reading and courses) and also around mid xxxxx capital from selling wholesale. Even if lot's of domainers will not agree with me, I've always said that if you have lots of capital, it's easier to venture in real estate or stock market, but if you have like 1k or so, it's easier to start in domaing, even selling at low prices.
 
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I think that you are behind with cost of living in some areas: I think that in most of India abd Nigeria you are mostly right, bu try to do that in Moscow or Bucharest, even in most big cities from Russia or Romania, the cost of living is only 20-30% less than in an average big city in the west, so you will not have a comfortable life.

true however my post mentioned countries not cities. of course if u take biggest cities or capitals ofany country then costs go up a lot. it's not just india and Africa .. Vietnam... Thailand etc also cheap... poland... Georgia... Estonia.. etc... cheap rent.. cheap food.. cheap net... what else u need .. usa Canada and other so called top nations are a joke for living costs and standards... even full time jobs u spend it all on rent and some food..nothing left. and home buying is an dream only. old people from usa Canada are retiring to cheaper places with nice weather etc... same for young folks with internet ventures..
 
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As an example, when you are just starting in domaining, selling wholesale or doing outbound for low xxx will give you a lot of experience and a lot of cash flow. I've sold over 1k domains in my first few years in domaining, which helped me gain lots of experience
I fully agree with that view. Personally most of my sales the first few years were also wholesale, mainly for small amounts, but gave me enough cash to keep going. And as you say, it is actually a good way to learn what is in demand or saleable.

Thanks for adding to the discussion, and sharing your viewpoint.

-Bob
 
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USD. Laughing all the way to the bankS
Glad things are going so well for you. Are you using some of that to build a reservoir during these good times as Nikul recommends?
-Bob
 
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Great article Bob, and it features the 3 points that I believe every potential domain investor should understand.

1) Domain sales are the most random occurrence in the universe. You can never tell what will sell and what won't, and while you can slightly increase your odds of making a sale, all domains are lottery tickets. And as Bob says, everyone sees the "big sales", not the millions of unsold domains.

2) If you aren't careful, renewals will absolutely bury you. Few new investors truly understand how insidious renewal fees are, as with even a medium-sized portfolio of 800 domains, you will likely be spending an average of 4-figures per month on renewals alone. Save money from "good times" for future renewals.

3) Understand Domain Math. Hand-registering a pile of domains and then pricing them for a few hundred dollars each means you will go out of business. Each domain sale has to support all of your portfolio costs (acquisitions + renewals) and envisioning an idiotic "$12 registration cost + $350 sale = Pure Profit!" one-to-one relationship is pure folly.
*P.S. Bob's exceptional article on this very subject should be required reading*
 
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Glad things are going so well for you. Are you using some of that to build a reservoir during these good times as Nikul recommends?
-Bob
What reservoir?
 
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Glad things are going so well for you. Are you using some of that to build a reservoir during these good times as Nikul recommends?
-Bob
Domaining is just a bs stress free hobby
Why does one take it so seriously is beyond my comprehension
Life too unpredictable and short to worry about anything

As I said most of the problems people have are either self created or people giving you sheit
Get rid of those negative people
 
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Great article Bob, and it features the 3 points that I believe every potential domain investor should understand.

1) Domain sales are the most random occurrence in the universe. You can never tell what will sell and what won't, and while you can slightly increase your odds of making a sale, all domains are lottery tickets. And as Bob says, everyone sees the "big sales", not the millions of unsold domains.

2) If you aren't careful, renewals will absolutely bury you. Few new investors truly understand how insidious renewal fees are, as with even a medium-sized portfolio of 800 domains, you will likely be spending an average of 4-figures per month on renewals alone. Save money from "good times" for future renewals.

3) Understand Domain Math. Hand-registering a pile of domains and then pricing them for a few hundred dollars each means you will go out of business. Each domain sale has to support all of your portfolio costs (acquisitions + renewals) and envisioning an idiotic "$12 registration cost + $350 sale = Pure Profit!" one-to-one relationship is pure folly.
*P.S. Bob's exceptional article on this very subject should be required reading*

if sales were all random luck then experience would count for zero and according to u every newbie chance would equal to seasoned domainer sale chance. we all know how false that is. well... except the newbies ;)
 
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Domaining is just a bs stress free hobby
Why does one take it so seriously is beyond my comprehension
Life too unpredictable and short to worry about anything

As I said most of the problems people have are either self created or people giving you sheit
Get rid of those negative people

if it was just hobby u wouldn't laugh so hard going to bank. truth is while I hope we all do it cause it's fun we also do it for money... it's just that some of us can afford do it more for fun than money whereas others do it more for money than fun.
 
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Domain Name Investing Is Not Fast, Easy or Sure....

.you the one that made it difficult
Nobody forcing you to make it difficult



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Anyone not in it for the fun is going to have a bad day. Unless you were registering domains in the 90's and early 2000's you aren't going to sell squat. You may get lucky and sell a newer domain for $1k.
 
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Anyone not in it for the fun is going to have a bad day. Unless you were registering domains in the 90's and early 2000's you aren't going to sell squat. You may get lucky and sell a newer domain for $1k.

if u dont sell u pay out of pocket for new buys and renewals... unless u are millionaire that can stop being fun real fast.
 
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My apologies if some feel I take things too seriously. To each their own.

But the name of this forum is NamePros :xf.smile:

I definitely agree that some stress is self-made, and other related to certain interactions. Living a life that feels both interesting and productive, and low stress, is a balancing act. How it looks will be different for each of us.

Best wishes to all. The diversity of views, interests, experience and expertise is the strength of this community.

Have a good day everyone.

-Bob
 
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My apologies if some feel I take things too seriously. To each their own.

But the name of this forum is NamePros :xf.smile:

I definitely agree that some stress is self-made, and other related to certain interactions. Living a life that feels both interesting and productive, and low stress, is a balancing act. How it looks will be different for each of us.

Best wishes to all. The diversity of views, interests, experience and expertise is the strength of this community.

Have a good day everyone.

-Bob

u apologize too much ;)
 
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My apologies if some feel I take things too seriously. To each their own.

But the name of this forum is NamePros :xf.smile:

I definitely agree that some stress is self-made, and other related to certain interactions. Living a life that feels both interesting and productive, and low stress, is a balancing act. How it looks will be different for each of us.

Best wishes to all. The diversity of views, interests, experience and expertise is the strength of this community.

Have a good day everyone.

-Bob
Yo
What there to apologize...
It is your opinion that I value so much
BTW...did anyone anybody die??
Dude you are not giving medical advice...so loosen up
Go get an ice cream and enjoy the nice sunshine
 
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Anyone not in it for the fun is going to have a bad day. Unless you were registering domains in the 90's and early 2000's you aren't going to sell squat. You may get lucky and sell a newer domain for $1k.
I hand reg domains using the GoDaddy 99 cent coupons
Remember those good old days..
 
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