The LLLL.com sales and discussion thread

[italiandragon]

Hello, I think it would be pretty useful to keep track of all LLLL.com sales , even the little ones under $100 so that , pretty soon , when the available LLLL.com will be finished , we`ll have a better idea on market prices.

It is important that these sales are confirmed. So before to post, make sure payment went OK.

I will start with todays` Sedo confirmed sales:

FISE.com 2,700 Euros
TSRT.com US $760
VEUP.com US $1,700


Also, I found interesting to see this average LLLL, getting bids up to $51 and reserve not me. It says it all.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...110154111735_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40QQfviZ1

 

[bmugford]

I am not sure if the poster is just referring to LLLL.com, or domains in general.

Actually I have had a couple sales that have pretty much balanced my costs, but that is luck. My model is similar to value investment in stocks: buy heavily underpriced domains, hold for the long term. Current income is a bonus, not critical to the theory I work under

Regardless, current value does not dictate future value. If you buy an asset for $8 now that no one else wants, but you feel it will be worth $400 in 3 years then it is probably a good buy. Of course this is assuming you have some logic behind your reasoning.

If you are just buying domains without any plan, that is normally a bad idea in any domain sector.

Brad

To me that sounds like a $4500 profit. It is quite different to buying a whole lot of names for reg fee and not making enough in revenue to cover the cost.

 

[glabnet]

Dropped and are available now:
Fxak.com
Lroz.com

 

[johntv]

Dropped and are available now:
Fxak.com
Lroz.com

Thanks glabnet, I got them, rep added to you.

 

[Semtex]

Yesterday on TDNX:

pryv $25
mzhp $25
mxnj $25
macv $166
kjtk $25
jmff $45
fmwe $37
ewyr $30
renewals have been added

 

[accent]

How does that help LLLL.com which has mainly been pumped up by domainers? You could make the same argument about any category of domain.

I have explained several times why I believe LLLL.coms are well positioned to the next influx of new end users. I think they are perhaps in the best position to receive new growth. My opinion, you are welcome to yours, even if it is that there will not be new growth, that new buyers will just pile onto today's valuable domains.

When you say you have "pretty much" balanced your costs does that mean you are running at a loss?, it sounds like it to me.

I often reg names for two or three years in advance to anticipate price increases, take advantage of sales and as a budgeting strategy, so I probably should not count those funds. But if I had sold nothing I would feel OK about it, just as a long term land investor does not need to sell a portion of his holdings every year to "cover" expenses. For some people, perhaps, paying renewals out of income is valuable discipline or necessitated by their finances, but it is not really part of a buy and hold strategy. It is important to be realistic as to costs, but to overly concern myself with current income is to misplace priorities - and quite likely to sell immature assets.

At the end of the day this isn't a model that works in the current market, ...

It works for me. I bought my LLLL.coms mostly in 2006, I am in the black, even in today's market. But that isn't the point at all - as I said earlier, I am attempting to bracket future end user demand, that is where the payoff is.

... basically you are gambling that the prices of names you are buying will rise faster than the reg fees add up, which may or may not happen. It is speculation rather than business in my view.

Ahhh ..... yet another point of agreement. My business is Nepalese/Tibetan jewelry. Generally, a business makes modest profits and is usually predictable, except when the banks melt. Speculation gives the possibility of real wealth. The better my choices, the greater the possibility.

 

[-REECE-]

Netbook prices keep falling, One Laptop Per Child project expected to be selling laptops for $75 by 2011 -- the future is definitely going to be exciting, however I think it'll be developed domains and generics (which will presumably get more type-in traffic) that stand to gain most as internet penetration rises.

As many have said, DYYO does suggest there is or at least was demand at the regfee prior to mass domainer speculation. Of course at that time the LLLL.coms being registered were for the most part of better quality than buyout LLLL.coms as well, so I'm not sure what we can make of the whole situation.

 

[glabnet]

Dropped and are available now:
Vrjo.com
Kguv.com
Kqev.com
:bah:

 

[-REECE-]

Completely agree with you there Brad. If we can establish a minimum which a certain type of LLLL.com goes for (eg. quad premium CVCVs), then buying under that minimum is a safe investment so long as you resell it immediately. The great thing about domains versus stocks is that it's a lot easier to tell when a domain is underpriced versus a stock. If you see a quad premium CVCV on sale for $500 in example, it's pretty obvious that it's heavily underpriced.

There still are a few domainers making good money in .mobi. Doesn't really matter what shape a market is in - so long as you can buy-in well under the going rate and resell them quickly, you have little chance of not coming out ahead.

I am not sure if the poster is just referring to LLLL.com, or domains in general.

Actually I have had a couple sales that have pretty much balanced my costs, but that is luck. My model is similar to value investment in stocks: buy heavily underpriced domains, hold for the long term. Current income is a bonus, not critical to the theory I work under

Regardless, current value does not dictate future value. If you buy an asset for $8 now that no one else wants, but you feel it will be worth $400 in 3 years then it is probably a good buy. Of course this is assuming you have some logic behind your reasoning.

If you are just buying domains without any plan, that is normally a bad idea in any domain sector.

Brad

 

[Semtex]

Yesterday on TDNX:

yifr $20
vhjh $20
uglt $37
uhly $56
ryiw $20
rwhu $20
rwye $20
rwyu $20
riyw $20
rkiy $25
rgiy $20
rgye $20
pwyo $20
ohbe $1,515
nwiy $20
nluy $20
mujx $25
lnuy $20
hjhv $20
djih $25
bxzr $25
renewals have been added

Yesterday on Namejet:

ottw $189
otrt $132
aleg $595
ocrh $114
mgan $121
mowt $69

 

[nicedomains]

Darn, I missed out on vrjo.com - Hard to believe that one was dropped! I'm not huge of trying to force acronyms on LLLL's but 'VR' is pretty strong - 'Virtual Reality'.. Not to mention it's triple premium..

 

[Semtex]

Darn, I missed out on vrjo.com - Hard to believe that one was dropped! I'm not huge of trying to force acronyms on LLLL's but 'VR' is pretty strong - 'Virtual Reality'.. Not to mention it's triple premium..

"Virtual Reality Jobs Online"

 

[Lakshan]

Dropped and are available now:
Fxak.com
Lroz.com

FXAK is a realy greate name
Forex related, greate catch john

---------- Post added at 06:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:58 PM ----------

the Aleg.com auction over at NameJet seems to be extended with one day....?? anyone that knows why?

I just checked my NJ account. previously i was the winner of Aleg.com for 565$
but i was not able to join the auction yesterday. so now im ther looser :td:

I sent a support ticket to namejet asking of reauction of domain. But i dont think it will happend

 

[mibworld]

Well, it's really only double premium, but I agree that the name is quite good.

Darn, I missed out on vrjo.com - Hard to believe that one was dropped! I'm not huge of trying to force acronyms on LLLL's but 'VR' is pretty strong - 'Virtual Reality'.. Not to mention it's triple premium..

 

[Tim Schoon]

theyre only dropping because snap doesnt auction them off at $9, but $19 as they contain a vowel.

I dont see why they do this, they'd have sold it if they started it at $9...

 

[Semtex]

Today on TDNX:

xrlj $20
urwd $41
tgfd $112
rzfe $20
nxvz $20
nfql $20

renewals have been added

Today on Namejet:
oddn $187
seid $1,599


Is anyone having issues with the firefox browser here on namepros. Editing and other things are impossible.


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[glabnet]

Dropped and are available now:
Owqd.com
Vumq.com
:P

 

[Lakshan]

Dropped and are available now:
Owqd.com
Vumq.com
:P

Both Allready Registerd

 

[glabnet]

Both Allready Registerd

They were available about 35 min.

 

[mibworld]

aleg is really a great name, worth much more. Sorry to hear you didn't win it. Did you have any response from NJ?

I just checked my NJ account. previously i was the winner of Aleg.com for 565$
but i was not able to join the auction yesterday. so now im ther looser :td:

I sent a support ticket to namejet asking of reauction of domain. But i dont think it will happend

 

[Lakshan]

aleg is really a great name, worth much more. Sorry to hear you didn't win it. Did you have any response from NJ?

They told me to ask from registar, but i didint
i think its useless now

 

[sidekick_33]

It anyone else slightly worried about the few dropped LLLL.com's over the past few days? They haven't been the worst quality, but they are dropping none the less.

What will happen when the JVZX.com's start dropping?

 

[Semtex]

It anyone else slightly worried about the few dropped LLLL.com's over the past few days? They haven't been the worst quality, but they are dropping none the less.

What will happen when the JVZX.com's start dropping?

As long as you are holding quality names, then names of this quality dropping shouldn't effect prices much. Non-premium names are still being gobbled up by the Japan/China endusers too. You can't go any lower than $0, unless you sit on a name for 10 years with renewal fees and getting nothing for it in return.

 

[rpanella]

LLLLSales.com updated with ebay sales since 6/28: LLLL.com Sales Data and Price Charts

 

[-REECE-]

I think the main reason they go for $19 is that at $9 they're only making $2.14 on the sale of the LLLL.com versus $12.14 if they can get it sold at $19 -- even if only 1 in 5 were to sell at $19 versus all at $9, they'd be better off starting at $19 assuming the weaker one vowel LLLL.coms end at $9 and don't get further bids.

theyre only dropping because snap doesnt auction them off at $9, but $19 as they contain a vowel.

I dont see why they do this, they'd have sold it if they started it at $9...

LLLLSales.com updated with ebay sales since 6/28: LLLL.com Sales Data and Price Charts

Thanks Russell

 

[Lakshan]

MidF*.*com - $331
First Reged on 1995, Contains the word MID on the domain
MIDF Malaysian Industrial Development Finance Berhad
MIDF Major Item Data File
MIDF Message Information Data Format

dtmd*.*com - $113
DTMD Dynamic Time Metered Delivery