.XXX - ICANN Revives the Proposal

homebuyer · 01-06-2007, 08:56 AM

XXX-cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me...Read all about it:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,242213,00.html

I think that ICANN is reviving the proposal because it saw how much money was made from the .mobi premium domain auctions.

Skinny · 01-06-2007, 09:45 AM

Hmm. I dont know. I mean I think it's great to have it because than you can filter out all .xxx domains.

Problem is do you really want computer.xxx, travel.xxx, games.xxx

Will these be valuable. Because if they will be filtered out by future tools that will drive down visitors, but it also may make your site associated with porn even if you don't want it to be.

Skinny

Dan · 01-06-2007, 11:20 AM

I think it's a stupid TLD. Would all porn sites not in the extension have to switch? It would just make it so much easier for kids to get porn than it already is. It's bad enough trying to go to normal sites and getting porn pop ups..

computer.xxx and games.xxx both work with the extension.

greatwineopen · 01-06-2007, 01:41 PM

im actually writing an article on this for a local publication and doing research on it as we speak. alot of people seem to think it would simply double the ammount of porn sites. what i want to know from you guys is will this make domain name buyers, sellers, and traders like yourselves money, and how? will it spark revenue for average business owners and/or entreprenuers or will it just benefit smut peddlers?

domainer50 · 01-06-2007, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Dan

I think it's a stupid TLD. Would all porn sites not in the extension have to switch? It would just make it so much easier for kids to get porn than it already is. It's bad enough trying to go to normal sites and getting porn pop ups..

computer.xxx and games.xxx both work with the extension.

Hey lets hope if it comes out, computer.xxx is regged. Computer.vc will go up in value

***armstrong*** · 01-06-2007, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by greatwineopen

alot of people seem to think it would simply double the ammount of porn sites

Even now there seems to be an infinite amount of porn on the net; at least infinite in the sense that it would take more than one lifetime to peruse them all.
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Porn would double? Quite possible, with or without the .xx tld. And what's double of infinite? Still infinite.

.xxx can help control distribution of adult material to the appropriate market. That is why many current adult operators are against the proposal. Can't the conservative groups against this proposal see that they are arguing on the same side as adult operators? They should stop and think why this is so.

Jeff · 01-06-2007, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by armstrong

... it would take more than one lifetime to peruse them all.

Not true, I did it in just under 14 years!

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Quote:

.xxx can help control distribution of adult material to the appropriate market. That is why many current adult operators are against the proposal. Can't the conservative groups against this proposal see that they are arguing on the same side as adult operators? They should stop and think why this is so.

^ Excellent, insightful point ... and good to see you Apollo!

-Jeff

circa1850 · 01-06-2007, 08:07 PM

You gotta wonder...does ICANN need the money? No, they can auction off the 1 letter and 2 letter domains that they do not allow to be re-regged when they expire.

Do we need an XXX? No. Would the porn sites all of a sudden jump over there and abandon their .com and .net presence? No. Could such a policy be enforced? No. Will the webmasters (who by the way are reported to be not only the craftiest but also the highest paid in the industry) not find away of getting around any enforcement to keep pornography of the mainstream internet? Yes.
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Didn't ICANN just tell the US Congress it was not necessary and could not be enforced?

There has got to be something else behind this. I do believe it is money driven, I do not think it can be policed to keep it off any other extension, and I wonder if Verisign is pushing this. Just speculation on my part, but ICANN granted Verisign the reins to the dot com industry and I can't help but believe that Verisign wants a bigger piece of the pie.

Very curious why all of a sudden they want to beat a dead horse...it ain't gonna get up and ride...no matter how much they use the whip and spurs.

Mike · 01-06-2007, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by greatwineopen

im actually writing an article on this for a local publication and doing research on it as we speak. alot of people seem to think it would simply double the ammount of porn sites. what i want to know from you guys is will this make domain name buyers, sellers, and traders like yourselves money, and how? will it spark revenue for average business owners and/or entreprenuers or will it just benefit smut peddlers?

essentially it will double the amount of domain names relating to porn sites. i don't believe that the actual amount of internet porn is going to double. existing sites are going to have a vested interest in securing their domain name in the .xxx extension, it would only make sense. Anyone involved in the domain trade business would probably jump on good domain names since it's almost an assurance of a decent sale. However, don't make the mistake to think that porn sites/pornographers are behind the moon, many of them have a TM on their name/domain, making the reg'ing of domains a difficult undertaking. Unless you pick something VERY generic, that can relate to just about anything, but even then i predict a slew of TM infringement suits. It's going to open the doors for more "propaganda" towards porn sites, these lawsuits will definitely attract media attention, because suddenly porn wants to be validated through their own extension, TM'd names, etc.
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My personal take on it would be; leave things as they are, a .xxx extension is not going to make much sense other than it would give the porn industry a boost while the only added advantage for internet users would be to have the ability to block all .xxx extensions and remain with the porn that's already existing.

circa1850 · 01-06-2007, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by greatwineopen

im actually writing an article on this for a local publication and doing research on it as we speak. alot of people seem to think it would simply double the ammount of porn sites. what i want to know from you guys is will this make domain name buyers, sellers, and traders like yourselves money, and how? will it spark revenue for average business owners and/or entreprenuers or will it just benefit smut peddlers?

My personal take:

First, I do not think regulating pornographic sites to a separate extension is going to do a thing regarding the regulation of pornographic sites.

Then we have to take into consideration that this is not and would not be solely for the United States to decide.
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Then whom or what governing body do we (or ICANN) to make the determination that a site is "pornographic"? The US Supreme Court can not even define obscene in a manner that suits all.

Again, we are talking about the internet which is a global enterprise and a global presence. Many nations have different outlooks and laws in regards to what is and what is not pornography and what is and is not obscene.

And do we think HUSTLER.COM, or PLAYBOY.COM or PENTHOUSE.COM is going to just magically disappear and become an XXX extension? On the contrary, would this just not attract even more attention to them?

Will this also apply to any domain name that has gay, sex, or certain other trigger words in the domain? If I want to look up the history of the Enola Gay, or the EOEC handbook on Sexual Discrimination...are these searches going to meet with dead links because of its banned content?

Did Google not already bow down to the Chinese Governments' insistence on what Google can and can not publish before Google was allowed to operate in China?

Who is to force these members of a multibillion dollar adult entertainment empire to give up their current internet presence and switch over? Who is to pay for them to give up the fight and comply with this new extension?

If it is a matter of restricting viewership by underage and minor viewers, then have the internet service providers place tighter parental controls on the sites. Have those that benefit from the adult industry come up with ways to regulate viewership.

Better yet, have the parents get involved with what their kids are doing. If you want to use the argument that we need to protect our children, well that is certainly not for me to enter into every household and tell the parents what they need to do to raise children or that they themselves need to assume more responsibility for their children. I think 13 year olds binge drinking and smoking is perhaps a bigger issue to wrangle with than try to police the internet for all citizens, all nations, and all cultures.

Besides, this has already been played out in Congress and I can't see anymore of my tax dollars going to waste.

I mean, come on...do we think that the anti-internet gambling law just passed is going to slowdown or curb internet gambling? Not in the least. And if it was such a big issue and a concern, why did it only apply to internet based off shore sites? Could it be that the casinos, horse and dog tracks, and the sports bookies operating in this country might have had a hand in banning offshore sites while remaining untouched here? If it was such a demonic and demoralizing scurge of our nation, then why is it permitted and protected to begin with in any form or fashion?

And why even bother to reg anything with an XXX extension. Computers.xxx, cars.xxx, vodka.xxx...you can't view it if it's banned and by regging one you are just inviting scrutiny.

Who would benefit? I don't think anyone would benefit except ICANN and the registrars that charge fees for regging such a thing. I can not begin to imagine how such a measure or proposal could be remotely enforceable.

I am for the rights of all...all mankind and all humanity. And when I say "for all" I speak of those that choose to not view porn or obscene material and for those that choose to view it, internet or otherwise. I can not endorse censorship in any form or fashion...religious, sexual, or free thinking mankind.

B33R · 01-06-2007, 10:24 PM

^^^ What he said!

I still stand by my comment from last time about .kids too.
Sending porn to its own extension (not even a do-able proposition IMHO) will NOT stop kids from seeing violence, swearing, drug taking, racism, and all that other bad crap.

The easiest thing to do would be to put everything for kids on .kids, heavily regulate the extension so only confirmed kids sites could use it then get the software blockers to block everything other than .kids.

Solves the porn problem and the violence, swearing, and everything else issue too. Only problem with this idea is that it won't be a huge money spinner like .xxx would be and we all know ICANN are just corporate whores who'd sell their own Grandma if she was worth enough money.
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I am of course going on the assumption that ICANN truly wants to solve the porn/kids problem and isn't just trying to make more money, which is in fact highly unlikely.

cache · 01-06-2007, 10:53 PM

at least xxx is easier to type than mobi

circa1850 · 01-06-2007, 11:15 PM

I think we, meaning Congress, ICANN, all citizens of all nations, need to be more concerned and should concentrate our effort, energies, and resources in stopping perverts and pedophiles from using the internet to prey upon children and minors and devising measures to stop child pornography and child prostitution. But where's the money to be made in that concept, right?

I could care less about an adult using his or her own time and money paying to download a triple xxx movie.

cache · 01-07-2007, 12:01 AM

I think the point is that we don't want the kids to access them.

Originally Posted by circa1850

I think we, meaning Congress, ICANN, all citizens of all nations, need to be more concerned and should concentrate our effort, energies, and resources in stopping perverts and pedophiles from using the internet to prey upon children and minors and devising measures to stop child pornography and child prostitution. But where's the money to be made in that concept, right?
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I could care less about an adult using his or her own time and money paying to download a triple xxx movie.

greatwineopen · 01-07-2007, 01:13 AM

thank you circa, et al.

you guys definitely showed the intelligence of this forum with this thread...

I am in agreement with the general consensus.... i love making $$$, but at what cost?

a clear conscience is the softest pillow.

let it be.
thank you all, again.

***armstrong*** · 01-07-2007, 06:13 AM

Like most, I don't think adult operators can be legally forced to move to .xxx. However, I feel that when people who buy porn discover .xxx, then that extension will become the default typein for folks looking for the stuff. And when the buyers migrate to .xxx, so will the adult operators.

Again like most, I don't think the introduction of .xxx will completely solve the problem of adult material reaching inappropriate groups. However, I am convinced it will be of some help.

Originally Posted by Jeff

Not true, I did it in just under 14 years!

But you have such a sweet setup, Jeff! -> http://www.badmamajama.net/cepheid/desk2.JPG

Broker · 01-07-2007, 06:54 AM

Just my opinion and may have already been said, didnt reaf through yet.

If this .xxx ext is approved I think all porn related websites/material should have to be under that ext. No porn/sex.com or dot nets etc. A little cleansing if you will.

TheWatcher · 01-07-2007, 06:56 AM

This extension will bring more sexual predators in the internet, which we don;t need anymore...

my 2 cents.

Jo · 01-07-2007, 07:31 AM

I think it is rediculous and just plain greedy. Kids will find porn no matter what they do.

***armstrong*** · 01-07-2007, 06:33 PM

Bottom line is this proposal will make finding porn slightly more difficult for kids. Sure, most kids will eventually discover a way around parental blocks. But if the .xxx structure delays this discovery by even a year on average for every kid, then imho it has done its job. Is this one year worth the additional infrastructure cost? Again imho it is.

TheWatcher · 01-07-2007, 06:37 PM

This will actually open another gateway for kids ... This should not be allowed to the public.

domainer50 · 01-07-2007, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by TheWatcher

This will actually open another gateway for kids ... This should not be allowed to the public.

Eh, i think that .xxx much like the .info, .us etc. Will not be mainstream. I highly doubt people outside of the domain industry will use this new ext. So i dont think it will open a new door for kids.

TheWatcher · 01-07-2007, 07:27 PM

It is simply providing another ways, that's my point. We have enough .extension to do business .xxx simply not needed.

Who am i to stop them. Yes I own, King dot NET but not XXX, lol

domainer50 · 01-07-2007, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by TheWatcher

It is simply providing another ways, that's my point. We have enough .extension to do business .xxx simply not needed.
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Who am i to stop them. Yes I own, King dot NET but not XXX, lol

No i understand. I do not think that the ext will be of any use to a normal use. But i am saying that if it does go through it would not open another door for kids, as they will most likely not know about it.

TheWatcher · 01-07-2007, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by domainer50

No i understand. I do not think that the ext will be of any use to a normal use. But i am saying that if it does go through it would not open another door for kids, as they will most likely not know about it.

I guess you don't have a kid.
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Just to give you an example, My kids knew myspace now I thought they only knew cartoon network or disney websites.

I rest my case. It will take forever and nowhere to go.

01-06-2007, 08:56 AM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
homebuyer Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,063	.XXX - ICANN Revives the Proposal XXX-cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me...Read all about it: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,242213,00.html I think that ICANN is reviving the proposal because it saw how much money was made from the .mobi premium domain auctions.

01-06-2007, 01:41 PM	#4 (permalink)
greatwineopen NamePros Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NY Posts: 31	im actually writing an article on this for a local publication and doing research on it as we speak. alot of people seem to think it would simply double the ammount of porn sites. what i want to know from you guys is will this make domain name buyers, sellers, and traders like yourselves money, and how? will it spark revenue for average business owners and/or entreprenuers or will it just benefit smut peddlers? __________________ Great Wine Open

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01-07-2007, 01:13 AM	#15 (permalink)
greatwineopen NamePros Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NY Posts: 31	thank you circa, et al. you guys definitely showed the intelligence of this forum with this thread... I am in agreement with the general consensus.... i love making $$$, but at what cost? a clear conscience is the softest pillow. let it be. thank you all, again. __________________ Great Wine Open

01-07-2007, 06:56 AM	#18 (permalink)
TheWatcher Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: KING.NET Posts: 3,488	This extension will bring more sexual predators in the internet, which we don;t need anymore... my 2 cents. __________________ Get your own .CO $28/yr http://NeedName.com KING.NET Advertise your products and services. Got Facebook, connect with me. http://facebook.com/domainnetwork MultiForums.com - Yet Another Forum!.

01-06-2007, 09:45 AM	#2 (permalink)
Skinny Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,255	Hmm. I dont know. I mean I think it's great to have it because than you can filter out all .xxx domains. Problem is do you really want computer.xxx, travel.xxx, games.xxx Will these be valuable. Because if they will be filtered out by future tools that will drive down visitors, but it also may make your site associated with porn even if you don't want it to be. Skinny

01-06-2007, 11:20 AM	#3 (permalink)
Dan Buy my domains. Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,792	I think it's a stupid TLD. Would all porn sites not in the extension have to switch? It would just make it so much easier for kids to get porn than it already is. It's bad enough trying to go to normal sites and getting porn pop ups.. computer.xxx and games.xxx both work with the extension.

01-06-2007, 08:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
circa1850 Account Closed Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,637	You gotta wonder...does ICANN need the money? No, they can auction off the 1 letter and 2 letter domains that they do not allow to be re-regged when they expire. Do we need an XXX? No. Would the porn sites all of a sudden jump over there and abandon their .com and .net presence? No. Could such a policy be enforced? No. Will the webmasters (who by the way are reported to be not only the craftiest but also the highest paid in the industry) not find away of getting around any enforcement to keep pornography of the mainstream internet? Yes. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=277758 Didn't ICANN just tell the US Congress it was not necessary and could not be enforced? There has got to be something else behind this. I do believe it is money driven, I do not think it can be policed to keep it off any other extension, and I wonder if Verisign is pushing this. Just speculation on my part, but ICANN granted Verisign the reins to the dot com industry and I can't help but believe that Verisign wants a bigger piece of the pie. Very curious why all of a sudden they want to beat a dead horse...it ain't gonna get up and ride...no matter how much they use the whip and spurs.

01-06-2007, 10:24 PM	#11 (permalink)
B33R Account Suspended Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 1,941	^^^ What he said! I still stand by my comment from last time about .kids too. Sending porn to its own extension (not even a do-able proposition IMHO) will NOT stop kids from seeing violence, swearing, drug taking, racism, and all that other bad crap. The easiest thing to do would be to put everything for kids on .kids, heavily regulate the extension so only confirmed kids sites could use it then get the software blockers to block everything other than .kids. Solves the porn problem and the violence, swearing, and everything else issue too. Only problem with this idea is that it won't be a huge money spinner like .xxx would be and we all know ICANN are just corporate whores who'd sell their own Grandma if she was worth enough money. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=277758 I am of course going on the assumption that ICANN truly wants to solve the porn/kids problem and isn't just trying to make more money, which is in fact highly unlikely.

01-06-2007, 11:15 PM	#13 (permalink)
circa1850 Account Closed Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,637	I think we, meaning Congress, ICANN, all citizens of all nations, need to be more concerned and should concentrate our effort, energies, and resources in stopping perverts and pedophiles from using the internet to prey upon children and minors and devising measures to stop child pornography and child prostitution. But where's the money to be made in that concept, right? I could care less about an adult using his or her own time and money paying to download a triple xxx movie.

01-07-2007, 06:54 AM	#17 (permalink)
Broker Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Philly Burbs Posts: 3,167	Just my opinion and may have already been said, didnt reaf through yet. If this .xxx ext is approved I think all porn related websites/material should have to be under that ext. No porn/sex.com or dot nets etc. A little cleansing if you will.

01-07-2007, 07:31 AM	#19 (permalink)
Jo Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,200	I think it is rediculous and just plain greedy. Kids will find porn no matter what they do.

01-07-2007, 06:33 PM	#20 (permalink)
*armstrong* Man from Manila Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Net Posts: 6,022	Bottom line is this proposal will make finding porn slightly more difficult for kids. Sure, most kids will eventually discover a way around parental blocks. But if the .xxx structure delays this discovery by even a year on average for every kid, then imho it has done its job. Is this one year worth the additional infrastructure cost? Again imho it is. __________________ Apollo's excellent 3-letter .BIZ auction; $1 starting bid!

01-07-2007, 06:37 PM	#21 (permalink)
TheWatcher Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: KING.NET Posts: 3,488	This will actually open another gateway for kids ... This should not be allowed to the public. __________________ Get your own .CO $28/yr http://NeedName.com KING.NET Advertise your products and services. Got Facebook, connect with me. http://facebook.com/domainnetwork MultiForums.com - Yet Another Forum!.

01-07-2007, 07:27 PM	#23 (permalink)
TheWatcher Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: KING.NET Posts: 3,488	It is simply providing another ways, that's my point. We have enough .extension to do business .xxx simply not needed. Who am i to stop them. Yes I own, King dot NET but not XXX, lol __________________ Get your own .CO $28/yr http://NeedName.com KING.NET Advertise your products and services. Got Facebook, connect with me. http://facebook.com/domainnetwork MultiForums.com - Yet Another Forum!.

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