Regarding recent contest scams!

killaklown · 08-08-2005, 02:24 PM

The admins/mods should do what http://www.clantemplates.com do, If you have a contest, you MUST send the money to the admin's contest holding account, and when the contest is over the contest holder tells the admin where to send the payment!

True_Snake · 08-08-2005, 03:24 PM

This will be a type of 'escrow', correct?

True_Snake

killaklown · 08-08-2005, 03:33 PM

Im not really sure what escrow is, lol :/

Badger · 08-08-2005, 03:55 PM

why should they bother?

Stronge · 08-08-2005, 03:59 PM

It removes the scam side of things, as long as everyone can trust the site with large amounts of money I dont see a problem.

Personally I would rather be in control of my own money.

Good idea, but Ill have to say 'No'...

Cobalt · 08-08-2005, 04:09 PM

I like what Clantemplates does, but once you make a contest, you HAVE to choose a winner at CT...so even if you get a few entries and they are all garbage, you have to still choose a winner. Thats why I won't hold my contests @ CT anymore. I like the way NP's is setup. Just watermark your entries.

Shan · 08-08-2005, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by killaklown

The admins/mods should do what http://www.clantemplates.com do, If you have a contest, you MUST send the money to the admin's contest holding account, and when the contest is over the contest holder tells the admin where to send the payment!

Don't forget, NamePros has something that ClanTemplates does not, and that's the Trader Rating system. You can always check the contest starter's trader rating before participating in any contests/trades. That's what it's there for.

Stronge · 08-08-2005, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Cobalt

I like what Clantemplates does, but once you make a contest, you HAVE to choose a winner at CT...so even if you get a few entries and they are all garbage, you have to still choose a winner. Thats why I won't hold my contests @ CT anymore. I like the way NP's is setup. Just watermark your entries.

Contests now have to have a winner mate.

killaklown · 08-08-2005, 04:58 PM

Yea, but HellFear, you can easily just make accounts and give tr...

Theirs no way to cheat the 'give cash to admin' thing.

Shan · 08-08-2005, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by killaklown

Yea, but HellFear, you can easily just make accounts and give tr...

Yes, that's why you can check in their TR and see what they got their feedback for and who gave them feedback.

killaklown · 08-08-2005, 05:28 PM

still the chance where they user has all positive feedback and some reason make a big scam contest.

vip-ip · 08-08-2005, 05:48 PM

YES YES YES. That way we can limit these "I'll-pay-you-$5-for-a-flash-logo" and "I'll-pay-you-$500-for-a-little-page" contests. Designers won't bother watermarking, thus giving a better impression of their artwork

Sabre · 08-08-2005, 07:58 PM

I think, if the contest is in NP$, yes.

If it is in cash, no.

However, i think all designers need to watermark their designs, which would take out the issue...

lextalionis · 08-08-2005, 08:12 PM

Water marking doesn't stop them from bailing, or getting the logo from other sites tho.

armstrong · 08-08-2005, 08:15 PM

This is a good idea, and something even I floated before.

The disadvantage to NP is that we will be burdened with extra risk. What if there's a chargeback and both buyer and seller disappear after we complete the escrow? In that case, NP will have to eat the loss. What if there's a disagreement about the terms of the contest? We'd have to play judge and hope we get it 100% right since there's money involved.

What will NP get for taking on the extra risk? Would members be willing to pay a percentage of the escrow amount?

Cobalt · 08-08-2005, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by armstrong

This is a good idea, and something even I floated before.

The disadvantage to NP is that we will be burdened with extra risk. What if there's a chargeback and both buyer and seller disappear after we complete the escrow? In that case, NP will have to eat the loss. What if there's a disagreement about the terms of the contest? We'd have to play judge and hope we get it 100% right since there's money involved.

What will NP get for taking on the extra risk? Would members be willing to pay a percentage of the escrow amount?

Namepros could only take paypal payments. Set up a "NamePros" paypal account.

And have the other forms of payments like escrow and stuff contests ran like they are being ran right now.

armstrong · 08-08-2005, 09:20 PM

Paypal has chargebacks. We can still end up holding the bag.

Sabre · 08-08-2005, 09:24 PM

Why not make it so that the buyer (of the banner / or whatever), has to buy the amount they want to give as the prize for the contest in NP$, and THEN put it into NP Escrow?

Cobalt · 08-08-2005, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Sabre

Why not make it so that the buyer (of the banner / or whatever), has to buy the amount they want to give as the prize for the contest in NP$, and THEN put it into NP Escrow?

I like that idea...

ypson · 08-09-2005, 12:58 AM

The "admin" should use an e-gold account, there is no chargebacks involved with e-gold.

vip-ip · 08-09-2005, 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by ypson

The "admin" should use an e-gold account, there is no chargebacks involved with e-gold.

The "contestants" won't have e-gold to pay the admins, that's the problem. You can say WebMoney with the same success - no one will post any competitions.

combs84 · 08-09-2005, 01:15 AM

I'm telling you if you do this the number of contests will drop dramatically. Why ruin a good thing because of some punks? Don't let the terroists win!!!

ypson · 08-09-2005, 01:31 AM

to be honest, i prefer a few and genuine contests than a dozen of time wasters... I appreciate my time, don't know about you guys ...

killaklown · 08-09-2005, 09:39 AM

maybe just do this for any contest over $50 or something..? or even $25

bafoon · 08-10-2005, 12:18 AM

i personally like the idea a lot, i hope it gets instated.

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08-08-2005, 02:24 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
killaklown Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,472	Regarding recent contest scams! The admins/mods should do what http://www.clantemplates.com do, If you have a contest, you MUST send the money to the admin's contest holding account, and when the contest is over the contest holder tells the admin where to send the payment! __________________ hostvouchers - Coupons and Reviews for the top web hosts! (shared, reseller, vps, servers, adult, offshore, proxy)

08-08-2005, 03:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
True_Snake In-House Graphic Designer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,289	This will be a type of 'escrow', correct? True_Snake __________________ Logos:PM ME! OVECHKIN.INFO! Rising Star!

08-08-2005, 03:33 PM	THREAD STARTER #3 (permalink)
killaklown Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,472	Im not really sure what escrow is, lol :/ __________________ hostvouchers - Coupons and Reviews for the top web hosts! (shared, reseller, vps, servers, adult, offshore, proxy)

08-08-2005, 03:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
Badger Ravaged By Age Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PST + 8 Posts: 3,502	why should they bother? __________________ iMODO :: ErrorMatic :: AdShack :: NameMart :: DomainPress :: XYZ digital media solutions

08-08-2005, 03:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
Stronge The Irish Gooner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Belfast, Ireland Posts: 127	It removes the scam side of things, as long as everyone can trust the site with large amounts of money I dont see a problem. Personally I would rather be in control of my own money. Good idea, but Ill have to say 'No'...

08-08-2005, 04:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
Cobalt Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: North Dakota Posts: 1,378	I like what Clantemplates does, but once you make a contest, you HAVE to choose a winner at CT...so even if you get a few entries and they are all garbage, you have to still choose a winner. Thats why I won't hold my contests @ CT anymore. I like the way NP's is setup. Just watermark your entries.

08-08-2005, 04:58 PM	THREAD STARTER #9 (permalink)
killaklown Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,472	Yea, but HellFear, you can easily just make accounts and give tr... Theirs no way to cheat the 'give cash to admin' thing. __________________ hostvouchers - Coupons and Reviews for the top web hosts! (shared, reseller, vps, servers, adult, offshore, proxy)

08-08-2005, 05:28 PM	THREAD STARTER #11 (permalink)
killaklown Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,472	still the chance where they user has all positive feedback and some reason make a big scam contest. __________________ hostvouchers - Coupons and Reviews for the top web hosts! (shared, reseller, vps, servers, adult, offshore, proxy)

08-08-2005, 05:48 PM	#12 (permalink)
vip-ip Account Closed Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: root@localhost Posts: 4,025	YES YES YES. That way we can limit these "I'll-pay-you-$5-for-a-flash-logo" and "I'll-pay-you-$500-for-a-little-page" contests. Designers won't bother watermarking, thus giving a better impression of their artwork

08-08-2005, 07:58 PM	#13 (permalink)
Sabre First Time Poster! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Chelmsford, UK Posts: 11,311	I think, if the contest is in NP$, yes. If it is in cash, no. However, i think all designers need to watermark their designs, which would take out the issue... __________________ Backpacker Insurance

08-08-2005, 08:12 PM	#14 (permalink)
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08-08-2005, 08:15 PM	#15 (permalink)
armstrong Man from Manila Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Net Posts: 6,025	This is a good idea, and something even I floated before. The disadvantage to NP is that we will be burdened with extra risk. What if there's a chargeback and both buyer and seller disappear after we complete the escrow? In that case, NP will have to eat the loss. What if there's a disagreement about the terms of the contest? We'd have to play judge and hope we get it 100% right since there's money involved. What will NP get for taking on the extra risk? Would members be willing to pay a percentage of the escrow amount? __________________ Apollo's excellent 3-letter .BIZ auction; $1 starting bid!

08-08-2005, 09:20 PM	#17 (permalink)
armstrong Man from Manila Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Net Posts: 6,025	Paypal has chargebacks. We can still end up holding the bag. __________________ Apollo's excellent 3-letter .BIZ auction; $1 starting bid!

08-08-2005, 09:24 PM	#18 (permalink)
Sabre First Time Poster! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Chelmsford, UK Posts: 11,311	Why not make it so that the buyer (of the banner / or whatever), has to buy the amount they want to give as the prize for the contest in NP$, and THEN put it into NP Escrow? __________________ Backpacker Insurance

08-09-2005, 12:58 AM	#20 (permalink)
ypson NamePros Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 70	e-gold The "admin" should use an e-gold account, there is no chargebacks involved with e-gold.

08-09-2005, 01:15 AM	#22 (permalink)
combs84 NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 613	I'm telling you if you do this the number of contests will drop dramatically. Why ruin a good thing because of some punks? Don't let the terroists win!!!

08-09-2005, 01:31 AM	#23 (permalink)
ypson NamePros Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 70	to be honest, i prefer a few and genuine contests than a dozen of time wasters... I appreciate my time, don't know about you guys ...

08-09-2005, 09:39 AM	THREAD STARTER #24 (permalink)
killaklown Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,472	maybe just do this for any contest over $50 or something..? or even $25 __________________ hostvouchers - Coupons and Reviews for the top web hosts! (shared, reseller, vps, servers, adult, offshore, proxy)

08-10-2005, 12:18 AM	#25 (permalink)
bafoon NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 333	i personally like the idea a lot, i hope it gets instated.

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