http://www.mathworksheets.org

alockrem · 07-05-2005, 02:01 PM

http://www.mathworksheets.org

Please review this site and give me some honest feedback. I believe it should be setup well for seo, but I'm always open for suggestions.

Thanks.

music_man · 07-05-2005, 02:29 PM

Hi

Usually a site should be set up for SEO.

A good site. I am not too fond of the white background, especially with the red faded image at the top - perhaps you could add a "signup" link at the bottom of the main page? You have two navigations - one on the right and one on the bottom - which is very good - however maybe you could have a home link on the right side too as this is the navigation they are likely to use. With that in mind - you could make the footer text a little smaller.

The title of the page (in the "title" tag) could reflect what page they are on - like "comparisons". Your meta description is very brief

Code:

<meta name='description' content='Math Worksheets, Free Math Worksheets'>

Why isn't the

Code:

<td style='background-image: url(http://cdn.namepros.com/images/header/bg.gif); height: 80px;'
			alt="Math Worksheets">

tag style not a class and put in your style sheet?

It is good you are using the "alt" for your images. Check your validation: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...%2Fdefault.asp.

I presume you wrote the ASP code yourself - well done. The math code generator looks nice to use and I like the buttons. The form with the css formatted textfield is quite nifty but not usual - that is people may not know to put mouse there - click, then type. - Similarly with the header of that box. Perhaps you could highlight or add a javascript that says (fill in) and when they click on it it disappears. Either that or just have a standard CSS formatted textfield with a border around all four sides.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/web-design-reviews/104302-http-www-mathworksheets-org.html

It is a well structured site, well done.

Virtua · 07-05-2005, 02:52 PM

Really Clean And Nice Layout !

+ve

Thanks
Virtua

alockrem · 07-05-2005, 10:06 PM

login information:
username: artsapimp _at_ yahoo _dot_ com
password: art

Great feedback! Please login and review the additional features available for authenticated users.

I agree that the css form might leave some of the users confused. My goal was to make it as easy as possible. The fields should look very similar to how they will be presented on the worksheet. That is the reason I used just the bottom border and wrote instructions below the form. Let me know if others get confused... I don't blame you a bit.

The header is a single file that is used over and over again regardless of what page you're one. That is why the stylesheet is inline because it is only written once.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=104302

The meta tags could use some work. I will continue to tweak them to maximize my search engine placement.

music_man · 07-05-2005, 10:14 PM

Wow! What a change! Your site looks amazing now but where is the login box and why is the header picture all bunched up?

Where do I login? The box on the right's title looks a bit dull - perhaps you could lighten it up a bit and attract some more attention to it. To make the site even easier perhaps you could add some pictures beside the navigation links at the top - like a "+" next to "Add" in a rounded box and make the text a little larger. Perhaps even a tasteful rollover - or even tabs.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=104302

Even if your header is a single page (which I should hope it is) you can still use php to show what page you are on. If you would like to know how I could post here a way you can do it. You must be using php though. You have no title at the moment for any page.

Gotta fix your code to make it valid: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...%2Fdefault.asp

I am not sure how to do the header thing in asp sorry.

A welcome note would be quite nice on the main page.

alockrem · 07-06-2005, 07:38 AM

Great feedback. I will try to implement those changes this evening.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=104302

The navigation menu was designed in simple text links because the seo article I read mentioned this as the best method for letting the search engines understand the site structure.

I am sure I can do the header in asp - that's not a problem at all. This was also a technique in the seo article that mentioned to keep the header with your target search phrase "math worksheets" and nothing more. It says too many people want to put their URL or site title there which makes their search engine rankings lower. If this is false then I will be happy to add that in the title. Today it is just below the title in an h2 header.

oops - after responding with the paragraphs above I clicked the validator and found that you were looking at the site in my signature, not www.mathworksheets.org. I appreciate the feedback on that one though. I will definately work on the validation for both sites.

Mark · 07-06-2005, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by music_man

The title of the page (in the "title" tag) could reflect what page they are on - like "comparisons". Your meta description is very brief

Great Point

I like the site overall - and the General Idea Behind it as well .... I do think it would look better if it were "Centered" up a bit .... Everything is positioned to the left ATM for me (IE / 1024 * 768) But otherwise - Very nice job

alockrem · 07-06-2005, 11:34 AM

I agree that centered looks better so I have made that change. The title will include the page name (addition, subtraction, etc) soon.

I am thinking about using a background image for behind the tool. Maybe some small +=-x signs or something like that. Grey background? Red? No background?

Mark · 07-06-2005, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by alockrem

I am thinking about using a background image for behind the tool. Maybe some small +=-x signs or something like that. Grey background? Red? No background?

Hard to say .... I like it as is Now - Sometimes less is more , and this site looks "Professional" From a Education POV as it is to me ..... Nice !

alockrem · 07-06-2005, 01:53 PM

Thank you. I will leave it like it is then unless I get a big response of users suggesting a background color / pattern.

StudioWorks · 07-06-2005, 07:23 PM

Hey,

Well, it looks simple enough, IMHO. A little too plain I must say - the bold text in the header doesn't look so good, would suggest you create a logo or something.

Best of luck,

- SW

alockrem · 07-06-2005, 07:51 PM

I agree with the logo, but the seo article I read stated this as a trick to get higher ratings in the search engines. Something about an H1 being one of the first things on a site and it stating exactly the search term I am targetting.

If someone knows this is a bunch of BS I will be happy to change it. This is my seo guinea pig so I'm willing to do just about anything to get search engine results.

unknowngiver · 07-06-2005, 08:23 PM

U need a better layout/template

music_man · 07-06-2005, 09:18 PM

Hey

That is actually nonsense in relation to your image and you should have a larger logo because it gets rid of excess "whitespace" and is easier to see. A fantastic SEO website which I have found is this one here: http://wordsinarow.com/seo.html

The h1 point is valid, same with using h1-7 throughout for your content because search engines like that.

I have implemented almost everything they suggested.

alockrem · 07-08-2005, 08:15 AM

music man - thank you for the URL. I am going to read that right now and see how I can improve my site.

unknowngiver - 99% of the time I would just ignore a useless response like yours, but today I decided to respond. I'm sure with your 800+ posts you have helped many people. The problem with your response in this situation is you don't describe any problems. Based on your input I would assume you think "the whole thing is a problem", but that's simply not true. Please provide me with details instead of adding 1 more number to your post while avoiding any helpful feedback.

bhyraj · 07-10-2005, 09:39 AM

very good site. clean and professional looking site.

ammo · 07-10-2005, 12:31 PM

Simple, but for this site i suppose it fits, nice work!

Raspberry · 07-13-2005, 10:22 PM

I don't like that you are using a percent sign for a division sign.

alockrem · 07-19-2005, 06:56 AM

Update - #4* out of 319,682 results on MSN for math worksheets!

* #4 if you don't count the paid advertisement and the site with an indented 2nd link counts as 1 site. #6 if you do count those

http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?F...ath+worksheets

flishess · 07-19-2005, 11:29 AM

I found a typo for you, you might read the last paragraph where you see this phrase, and make some corrections.

...we can be automate this process for you."

I really like this site, if it does well - there is a lot you can do to add more subjects than just math"

alockrem · 07-19-2005, 12:58 PM

Thank you flishess. I also own phonicsworksheets.org which I haven't done anything with yet. If this one takes off I would like to build that one up also.

Thanks again for your help.

flishess · 07-19-2005, 07:49 PM

Are you getting any clicks from your msn listing for "math worksheets"

alockrem · 07-20-2005, 09:31 AM

as far as I can tell it's somewhere around 60-70 / day. This just started a couple of days ago so it's hard to tell how the traffic will increase/descrease as school starts.

LeetPCUser · 07-20-2005, 10:27 AM

I just noticed that only the main page is center aligned. Once I click a link it shoots all the way to the left. I like it but maybe put a 1px black border around the whole page?

alockrem · 07-20-2005, 12:41 PM

Wow! I have already changed that once. I will do it again - on the development and production servers this time so I don't make the same mistake later on.

Thank you for the alignment feedback.

I have tested the site with a border and with a background image and both look... average. I will most likely end up changing the format to look more like http://www.freemathtest.com once my traffic is consistant. Right now this format is for seo only and it seems to be doing it's job.

07-05-2005, 02:01 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
alockrem NamePros Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 60	http://www.mathworksheets.org http://www.mathworksheets.org Please review this site and give me some honest feedback. I believe it should be setup well for seo, but I'm always open for suggestions. Thanks. __________________ Free Math Test Math Worksheets

07-05-2005, 02:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
music_man NamePros Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 95	Hi Usually a site should be set up for SEO. A good site. I am not too fond of the white background, especially with the red faded image at the top - perhaps you could add a "signup" link at the bottom of the main page? You have two navigations - one on the right and one on the bottom - which is very good - however maybe you could have a home link on the right side too as this is the navigation they are likely to use. With that in mind - you could make the footer text a little smaller. The title of the page (in the "title" tag) could reflect what page they are on - like "comparisons". Your meta description is very brief Code: <meta name='description' content='Math Worksheets, Free Math Worksheets'> Why isn't the Code: <td style='background-image: url(http://cdn.namepros.com/images/header/bg.gif); height: 80px;' alt="Math Worksheets"> tag style not a class and put in your style sheet? It is good you are using the "alt" for your images. Check your validation: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...%2Fdefault.asp. I presume you wrote the ASP code yourself - well done. The math code generator looks nice to use and I like the buttons. The form with the css formatted textfield is quite nifty but not usual - that is people may not know to put mouse there - click, then type. - Similarly with the header of that box. Perhaps you could highlight or add a javascript that says (fill in) and when they click on it it disappears. Either that or just have a standard CSS formatted textfield with a border around all four sides. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/web-design-reviews/104302-http-www-mathworksheets-org.html It is a well structured site, well done. __________________ Self-service My homepage

07-05-2005, 10:06 PM	THREAD STARTER #4 (permalink)
alockrem NamePros Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 60	login information: username: artsapimp _at_ yahoo _dot_ com password: art Great feedback! Please login and review the additional features available for authenticated users. I agree that the css form might leave some of the users confused. My goal was to make it as easy as possible. The fields should look very similar to how they will be presented on the worksheet. That is the reason I used just the bottom border and wrote instructions below the form. Let me know if others get confused... I don't blame you a bit. The header is a single file that is used over and over again regardless of what page you're one. That is why the stylesheet is inline because it is only written once. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=104302 The meta tags could use some work. I will continue to tweak them to maximize my search engine placement. __________________ Free Math Test Math Worksheets

07-05-2005, 10:14 PM	#5 (permalink)
music_man NamePros Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 95	Wow! What a change! Your site looks amazing now but where is the login box and why is the header picture all bunched up? Where do I login? The box on the right's title looks a bit dull - perhaps you could lighten it up a bit and attract some more attention to it. To make the site even easier perhaps you could add some pictures beside the navigation links at the top - like a "+" next to "Add" in a rounded box and make the text a little larger. Perhaps even a tasteful rollover - or even tabs. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=104302 Even if your header is a single page (which I should hope it is) you can still use php to show what page you are on. If you would like to know how I could post here a way you can do it. You must be using php though. You have no title at the moment for any page. Gotta fix your code to make it valid: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...%2Fdefault.asp I am not sure how to do the header thing in asp sorry. A welcome note would be quite nice on the main page. __________________ Self-service My homepage

07-06-2005, 07:38 AM	THREAD STARTER #6 (permalink)
alockrem NamePros Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 60	Great feedback. I will try to implement those changes this evening. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=104302 The navigation menu was designed in simple text links because the seo article I read mentioned this as the best method for letting the search engines understand the site structure. I am sure I can do the header in asp - that's not a problem at all. This was also a technique in the seo article that mentioned to keep the header with your target search phrase "math worksheets" and nothing more. It says too many people want to put their URL or site title there which makes their search engine rankings lower. If this is false then I will be happy to add that in the title. Today it is just below the title in an h2 header. oops - after responding with the paragraphs above I clicked the validator and found that you were looking at the site in my signature, not www.mathworksheets.org. I appreciate the feedback on that one though. I will definately work on the validation for both sites. __________________ Free Math Test Math Worksheets

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Virtua Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 172	Really Clean And Nice Layout ! +ve Thanks Virtua

07-06-2005, 11:34 AM	THREAD STARTER #8 (permalink)
alockrem NamePros Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 60	I agree that centered looks better so I have made that change. The title will include the page name (addition, subtraction, etc) soon. I am thinking about using a background image for behind the tool. Maybe some small +=-x signs or something like that. Grey background? Red? No background? __________________ Free Math Test Math Worksheets

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alockrem NamePros Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 60	Thank you. I will leave it like it is then unless I get a big response of users suggesting a background color / pattern. __________________ Free Math Test Math Worksheets

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StudioWorks no one lives forever Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NamePros Posts: 8,092	Hey, Well, it looks simple enough, IMHO. A little too plain I must say - the bold text in the header doesn't look so good, would suggest you create a logo or something. Best of luck, - SW __________________ epagini.com mexicorealty.net softwarepit.com yadasoftware.com

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alockrem NamePros Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 60	I agree with the logo, but the seo article I read stated this as a trick to get higher ratings in the search engines. Something about an H1 being one of the first things on a site and it stating exactly the search term I am targetting. If someone knows this is a bunch of BS I will be happy to change it. This is my seo guinea pig so I'm willing to do just about anything to get search engine results. __________________ Free Math Test Math Worksheets

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07-06-2005, 09:18 PM	#14 (permalink)
music_man NamePros Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 95	Hey That is actually nonsense in relation to your image and you should have a larger logo because it gets rid of excess "whitespace" and is easier to see. A fantastic SEO website which I have found is this one here: http://wordsinarow.com/seo.html The h1 point is valid, same with using h1-7 throughout for your content because search engines like that. I have implemented almost everything they suggested. __________________ Self-service My homepage

07-08-2005, 08:15 AM	THREAD STARTER #15 (permalink)
alockrem NamePros Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 60	music man - thank you for the URL. I am going to read that right now and see how I can improve my site. unknowngiver - 99% of the time I would just ignore a useless response like yours, but today I decided to respond. I'm sure with your 800+ posts you have helped many people. The problem with your response in this situation is you don't describe any problems. Based on your input I would assume you think "the whole thing is a problem", but that's simply not true. Please provide me with details instead of adding 1 more number to your post while avoiding any helpful feedback. __________________ Free Math Test Math Worksheets

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07-19-2005, 06:56 AM	THREAD STARTER #19 (permalink)
alockrem NamePros Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 60	Update - #4* out of 319,682 results on MSN for math worksheets! * #4 if you don't count the paid advertisement and the site with an indented 2nd link counts as 1 site. #6 if you do count those http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?F...ath+worksheets __________________ Free Math Test Math Worksheets

07-19-2005, 11:29 AM	#20 (permalink)
flishess NamePros Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 394	I found a typo for you, you might read the last paragraph where you see this phrase, and make some corrections. ...we can be automate this process for you." I really like this site, if it does well - there is a lot you can do to add more subjects than just math"

07-19-2005, 12:58 PM	THREAD STARTER #21 (permalink)
alockrem NamePros Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 60	Thank you flishess. I also own phonicsworksheets.org which I haven't done anything with yet. If this one takes off I would like to build that one up also. Thanks again for your help. __________________ Free Math Test Math Worksheets

07-19-2005, 07:49 PM	#22 (permalink)
flishess NamePros Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 394	Are you getting any clicks from your msn listing for "math worksheets"

07-20-2005, 09:31 AM	THREAD STARTER #23 (permalink)
alockrem NamePros Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 60	as far as I can tell it's somewhere around 60-70 / day. This just started a couple of days ago so it's hard to tell how the traffic will increase/descrease as school starts. __________________ Free Math Test Math Worksheets

07-20-2005, 10:27 AM	#24 (permalink)
LeetPCUser Account Suspended Join Date: May 2005 Location: Whitewater, WI Posts: 3,710	I just noticed that only the main page is center aligned. Once I click a link it shoots all the way to the left. I like it but maybe put a 1px black border around the whole page?

07-20-2005, 12:41 PM	THREAD STARTER #25 (permalink)
alockrem NamePros Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 60	Wow! I have already changed that once. I will do it again - on the development and production servers this time so I don't make the same mistake later on. Thank you for the alignment feedback. I have tested the site with a border and with a background image and both look... average. I will most likely end up changing the format to look more like http://www.freemathtest.com once my traffic is consistant. Right now this format is for seo only and it seems to be doing it's job. __________________ Free Math Test Math Worksheets

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