Tables or CSS?

ASSistance · 06-13-2005, 05:38 AM

Why is it better to use CSS instead of TABLES? Also .. XHTML or HTML validation is any good?

BigMoney · 06-13-2005, 05:39 AM

Tables existed in HTML for one reason: To display tabular data. But then border="0" made it possible for designers to have a grid upon which to lay out images and text. Still the most dominant means of designing visually rich Web sites, the use of tables is now actually interfering with building a better, more accessible, flexible, and functional Web.

What's Good About CSS?
-Accessibility
-Less Code
-Ability to change the Appearance quickly

06-13-2005, 05:40 AM

wow...CSS after my opinion doesn't meen you should not use tables, you should use css to format tables, but tabels are indispensable in web pages, or if you don't want to use tables u can use layers ,is the same s**t.........thats what i think.

BigMoney · 06-13-2005, 05:40 AM

i dont think there are surfers left using browsers older than 4.0 i.e.

06-13-2005, 05:41 AM

Yea...I think css is better, *I* think it's easier to compile and just easier to change the appearance of the whole site...

06-13-2005, 05:42 AM

CSS is much better

BigMoney · 06-13-2005, 05:42 AM

Better CSS beacuse especially if you have big site
For example you need to change something.... in just one line you can change whole site look .

06-13-2005, 05:43 AM

I think this is the main reason whay i'm using CSS, also u can separate css from html file so it's cleaner, but with css there are problems with broswers, or should i say broswers have problem with css

ASSistance · 06-13-2005, 05:45 AM

Frankly, I don't understand the animosity toward tables that CSS designers regularily exhibit.

Okay, I understand that div elements are a real treat for the CSS freak, but you can still put your CSS around your table and make it do what you want.

And when it comes to divs within divs, it's no different than tables within tables. If anything, it's more difficult to pull off, and I don't see why anyone would waste a perfectly good and working table element in favor of the div.

BigMoney · 06-13-2005, 05:45 AM

and the code is much cleaner ,who could manage with all those tables
table in table and so on...

06-13-2005, 05:45 AM

actually if u have a large site the table design really sucks. but this doesnt mean that this kind of design shouldn't be used.
personally i use both of them. the question div or table i ask myself on the first stage of design.

and i think that the thread`s title is wrong. it should be div or table, not css or table

Rowan W · 06-13-2005, 04:16 PM

http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/index.html

realtechtalk · 06-14-2005, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by ASSistance

Why is it better to use CSS instead of TABLES? Also .. XHTML or HTML validation is any good?

Everyone's made good arguments for and against tables. I think if you are just starting out and you aren't familiar with CSS then use tables but realize CSS offers more flexibility but has the issue of different browsers mainly IE and Non-IE displaying the page differently in some cases.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/web-design-discussion/98208-tables-or-css.html

Cheers

WebbyMedia · 06-14-2005, 07:03 PM

You shouldn't mess with tables any more. Mastery of CSS will pay big dividends a few years down the road.

StudioWorks · 06-14-2005, 08:15 PM

Well I stopped using tables for a while now. CSS rules!

- DM

barefoottech · 06-14-2005, 09:49 PM

One of the main Advantages of CSS and Alternate StyleSheets is to allow Flexibility to Display the same Data on Different Devices .
Usage of CellPhones,PDA's,WebTV's and other Similiar Devices to View the Internet requires it.
Tables are OK For PC Display ,but try using them on a Cellphone Display .

whyme953 · 06-15-2005, 11:57 AM

IMHO one of the disadvantages of CSS is its "moodiness" sometimes it does work, sometimes it doesnt. granted, many times the problems are not with the CSS rather with the browsers, however, i've had times when i use the same exact script on 2 pages and one works and the other doesnt (e.g. i write that script in its own file and it displays properly but when i put that code into the page where it belongs it doesnt work)

for me its still tables for now.

NickRac · 06-16-2005, 09:37 PM

stick w/ CSS - works better IMHO

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06-13-2005, 05:39 AM	#2 (permalink)
BigMoney Account Closed Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 15	Tables existed in HTML for one reason: To display tabular data. But then border="0" made it possible for designers to have a grid upon which to lay out images and text. Still the most dominant means of designing visually rich Web sites, the use of tables is now actually interfering with building a better, more accessible, flexible, and functional Web. What's Good About CSS? -Accessibility -Less Code -Ability to change the Appearance quickly

06-13-2005, 05:40 AM	#3 (permalink)
Tha_Bee Guest Posts: n/a	wow...CSS after my opinion doesn't meen you should not use tables, you should use css to format tables, but tabels are indispensable in web pages, or if you don't want to use tables u can use layers ,is the same s**t.........thats what i think.

06-13-2005, 05:40 AM	#4 (permalink)
BigMoney Account Closed Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 15	i dont think there are surfers left using browsers older than 4.0 i.e.

06-13-2005, 05:41 AM	#5 (permalink)
CompMaster Guest Posts: n/a	Yea...I think css is better, I think it's easier to compile and just easier to change the appearance of the whole site...

06-13-2005, 05:42 AM	#6 (permalink)
Tha_Bee Guest Posts: n/a	CSS is much better

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BigMoney Account Closed Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 15	Better CSS beacuse especially if you have big site For example you need to change something.... in just one line you can change whole site look .

06-13-2005, 05:43 AM	#8 (permalink)
Tha_Bee Guest Posts: n/a	I think this is the main reason whay i'm using CSS, also u can separate css from html file so it's cleaner, but with css there are problems with broswers, or should i say broswers have problem with css

06-13-2005, 05:45 AM	THREAD STARTER #9 (permalink)
ASSistance Account Closed Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 10	Frankly, I don't understand the animosity toward tables that CSS designers regularily exhibit. Okay, I understand that div elements are a real treat for the CSS freak, but you can still put your CSS around your table and make it do what you want. And when it comes to divs within divs, it's no different than tables within tables. If anything, it's more difficult to pull off, and I don't see why anyone would waste a perfectly good and working table element in favor of the div.

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BigMoney Account Closed Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 15	and the code is much cleaner ,who could manage with all those tables table in table and so on...

06-16-2005, 09:37 PM	#18 (permalink)
NickRac Yes, I am THAT good. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Greenwich, CT Posts: 1,429	stick w/ CSS - works better IMHO

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06-13-2005, 05:45 AM	#11 (permalink)
Tha_Bee Guest Posts: n/a	actually if u have a large site the table design really sucks. but this doesnt mean that this kind of design shouldn't be used. personally i use both of them. the question div or table i ask myself on the first stage of design. and i think that the thread`s title is wrong. it should be div or table, not css or table

06-15-2005, 11:57 AM	#17 (permalink)
whyme953 NamePros Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 92	IMHO one of the disadvantages of CSS is its "moodiness" sometimes it does work, sometimes it doesnt. granted, many times the problems are not with the CSS rather with the browsers, however, i've had times when i use the same exact script on 2 pages and one works and the other doesnt (e.g. i write that script in its own file and it displays properly but when i put that code into the page where it belongs it doesnt work) for me its still tables for now. __________________ Bais Menachem