long framed pages scrolling horizontally

craigh · 06-13-2005, 04:11 AM

I have recently converted my site to using frames rather than tables, I have done this because I use a navigation bar on the left and adding pages was getting rather unruley. I have left scrolling on auto but I find that when a page gets too long (high, not wide) for the window it gets a vertical scroll bar as I would expect but also gets a horizontal scroll bar as well and scrolls a bit horzontally, if I have text that wraps over lines you need to scroll right to see the end of the lines, I can't seem to work out how to have a vertical scroll bar but not a horizontal scroll bar. Please can someone tell me how.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/web-design-discussion/98191-long-framed-pages-scrolling-horizontally.html

My site is at http://ara348ic.org.nz
I have setup a page with just numbers and breaks to prove that the scrolling is not because the page is too wide or something on the page is too wide, this is at http://ara348ic.org.nz/frames

Thanks in advance

Craig

Rowan W · 06-13-2005, 04:37 AM

It's called "Internet Explorer is Bad".

Basically, this is a fault of Internet Explorer (only); the reason it does this is because when the vertical scrollbar appears, IE puts it over the top of the page, instead of pushing the page across. Because the vertical scrollbar is now over the top of the page, IE creates the horizontal scrollbar so you can see what's behind the vertical scrollbar.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=98191

View your page in any other browser (Mozilla, Firefox, Netscape, Opera...) and it will look how it should.

You may be able to find a way to disable the horizontal scrollbar with a search on google.

craigh · 06-14-2005, 01:18 AM

Thanks for that.
Sorry I forgot to mention that I design in netscape and briefly tested the site in IE when I changed to frames but didn't notice the scroll bar. Latter the guy i'm writing the site for complained that it had too much scrolling, when I looked in IE I saw the horiz scroll bar. I h8 IE too but most of the visitors to my site use IE so I can't get rid of it and the site needs to look good in IE.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=98191
Searching google for "disable the horizontal scrollbar" it came up with this:
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum21/8756-2-10.htm
which says that the problem is to do with the doctype, it appears for be fixed by removing the url from the doctype. I know this is not correct but it seems to work so i'll use it. I'm not really sure what difference a doctype makes to a webpage anyway, considering that it usually works fine with none at all.
Thanks for the help anyway.

Craig

snareklutz · 06-14-2005, 01:42 AM

Horizontal scroll bars won't matter when people get 4-way scroll mouses...

craigh · 06-15-2005, 03:59 AM

yes but when it's about 1 word that goes over then horizontal scrolling will still be annoying and completely unneccessary

06-13-2005, 04:11 AM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
craigh New Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3	long framed pages scrolling horizontally I have recently converted my site to using frames rather than tables, I have done this because I use a navigation bar on the left and adding pages was getting rather unruley. I have left scrolling on auto but I find that when a page gets too long (high, not wide) for the window it gets a vertical scroll bar as I would expect but also gets a horizontal scroll bar as well and scrolls a bit horzontally, if I have text that wraps over lines you need to scroll right to see the end of the lines, I can't seem to work out how to have a vertical scroll bar but not a horizontal scroll bar. Please can someone tell me how. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/web-design-discussion/98191-long-framed-pages-scrolling-horizontally.html My site is at http://ara348ic.org.nz I have setup a page with just numbers and breaks to prove that the scrolling is not because the page is too wide or something on the page is too wide, this is at http://ara348ic.org.nz/frames Thanks in advance Craig

06-13-2005, 04:37 AM	#2 (permalink)
Rowan W NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: QLD, Australia Posts: 713	It's called "Internet Explorer is Bad". Basically, this is a fault of Internet Explorer (only); the reason it does this is because when the vertical scrollbar appears, IE puts it over the top of the page, instead of pushing the page across. Because the vertical scrollbar is now over the top of the page, IE creates the horizontal scrollbar so you can see what's behind the vertical scrollbar. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=98191 View your page in any other browser (Mozilla, Firefox, Netscape, Opera...) and it will look how it should. You may be able to find a way to disable the horizontal scrollbar with a search on google. __________________ Flash is bad for websites Why tables for layout is stupid IE IS BAD

06-14-2005, 01:42 AM	#4 (permalink)
snareklutz Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,057	Horizontal scroll bars won't matter when people get 4-way scroll mouses... __________________ For sale: forexstochastics.com

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06-14-2005, 01:18 AM	THREAD STARTER #3 (permalink)
craigh New Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3	Thanks for that. Sorry I forgot to mention that I design in netscape and briefly tested the site in IE when I changed to frames but didn't notice the scroll bar. Latter the guy i'm writing the site for complained that it had too much scrolling, when I looked in IE I saw the horiz scroll bar. I h8 IE too but most of the visitors to my site use IE so I can't get rid of it and the site needs to look good in IE. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=98191 Searching google for "disable the horizontal scrollbar" it came up with this: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum21/8756-2-10.htm which says that the problem is to do with the doctype, it appears for be fixed by removing the url from the doctype. I know this is not correct but it seems to work so i'll use it. I'm not really sure what difference a doctype makes to a webpage anyway, considering that it usually works fine with none at all. Thanks for the help anyway. Craig

06-15-2005, 03:59 AM	THREAD STARTER #5 (permalink)
craigh New Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3	yes but when it's about 1 word that goes over then horizontal scrolling will still be annoying and completely unneccessary

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