Do you use MS FrontPage?

**Eric** · 04-14-2005, 06:36 PM

I currently use MS FrontPage for all of my websites. I am wondering if any of you use it, and what you think of it? Any better alternatives, etc? Some good addons,etc?

Ethan · 04-14-2005, 06:43 PM

Frontpage designes for IE only, it looks really bad in other browsers and offers little to now support for standards or CSS (depending on your version). Although I recommend against WYSIWYG editors, Dreamweaver is a far better alternative to Frontpage.

**Eric** · 04-14-2005, 07:00 PM

Forgot...I use the 2002 version.

rongshihong · 04-14-2005, 07:38 PM

Frontpage is what I usually use because I find myself more familiar with the Microsoft Office applications.

Dreamweave is nice too but I haven't tried it.

SB_GEMINI · 04-15-2005, 01:23 AM

Dreamweaver is the most popular in the professional market of web apps.

Also for coding CSS try Topstyle its the best choice for coding CSS as it lets you cleerly visualise your CSS while editing.

She Unlimited · 04-15-2005, 02:02 AM

Dreamweaver is great, but there are tons of new features and fixes in Front Page 2003 that should compare close with Dreamweaver.

Rowan W · 04-15-2005, 02:09 AM

WYSWYG editors are useless and cause more trouble than they're worth, code everything yourself if you want to get anywhere.

She Unlimited · 04-15-2005, 02:13 AM

It may be hard for him to code along without a Windows front end. Dreamweaver you turn off those features WYSIWYG and FP I think?

will7 · 04-15-2005, 02:20 AM

Frontpage is useless in my opinion. As is the "lets hand code everything" option. The thing with hand-coding is, it takes so long to code a decent site and you can not optimize your time. With a WYSIWYG editor, it makes the code for you. Now, granted, this code may not always be perfect, but when I run DW MX2004, a simple quick read through of the code gets rid of all the errors.

Older versions of Dreamweaver are not good, but the latest, Dreamweaver MX 2004 is excellent. I'd recommend (from personal experience of hand-coding and DW) the Dreamweaver, WYSIWYG editor is the best option!
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Frontpage will never be able to compete with Dreamweaver. That is a simple fact. There are some hand-code patriots but, I guess we all have our opinions on the subject and there really is no straight answer to the question - it is just whatever works for you!

She Unlimited · 04-15-2005, 02:27 AM

Will you are very right but I guess if he is on a budget, FP 2003 would be cheaper.

will7 · 04-15-2005, 02:39 AM

Indeed, FP is the budget option, DW is the professional option. Hand coding is the controversial option. That sums it up really.

Mystic · 04-15-2005, 03:10 AM

40% of the time i use dreamweaver, and i remove any errors, and remove the tags i dont like, instead of align=center raplace with <center> etc, but most the time, hand coding in notepad is best

adam_uk · 04-15-2005, 03:35 AM

i just use notepad

hanz · 04-15-2005, 03:55 AM

I used it before, but nowadays I use notebad. Notebad is so much better.

vip-ip · 04-15-2005, 04:16 AM

I always use it to customize my slicing, i.e. when I slice a PSD temp in photoshop, I replace the image with empty space and put the image as a cell background. The rest is done manually. I don't like that sometimes it looks good in the PREVIEW but it's all jacked up in the browser.

Mystic · 04-15-2005, 05:06 AM

notepads the best editor you can get, it does perl, php, html, javascript etc, it does a lot

Jimmy Changa · 04-17-2005, 05:22 PM

Those of you who use Notepad, check out Crimson Editor. It color codes, tabs (like Firefox) and other cool stuff. CE is the best, IMO. I also do image work/slicing in Fireworks which is an excellent program.

cera · 04-17-2005, 05:40 PM

I learned to code with NotePad but anyone that thinks it's still the best way to code is either stubborn or a sucker for punishment.

Last time I used FrontPage (a few years ago) it produced ugly, ugly code. I have been led to believe that FrontPage code is much better these days than it used to be though.

I have been using DreamWeaver for a couple years now and have been impressed with how compact and clean the code is. You can always switch to code view or load your code into NotePad to clean up the occassional DreamWeaver yuk.

Jimmy Changa · 04-17-2005, 06:11 PM

I guess that's why I am doing so much in Fireworks now. The trouble is though, with that I am unable to use CSS-P which is so light and fast loading. So many choices, so little time.

Never never use FP though. I've only seen one person produce good reults using FP in the 5 years I've been deigning websites. He runs http://www.webokay.net This is the ONLY person (I've seen) who uses FP well.

**Eric** · 04-17-2005, 06:24 PM

Thanks for all of your help guys. I appreciate it. Just got Dreamweaver. Let's see how that works out.

Lyte · 04-17-2005, 06:29 PM

I too use FrontPage.

broke-r · 04-17-2005, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by cera

I learned to code with NotePad but anyone that thinks it's still the best way to code is either stubborn or a sucker for punishment.

She Unlimited · 04-17-2005, 10:46 PM

I heard building pages with Xhtml is better?

hbalagh · 04-17-2005, 10:47 PM

i use fp 2003 it has alot more functions then xp did...

Veolus · 04-17-2005, 11:07 PM

I love frontpage!

It's so easy to use

04-14-2005, 06:36 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
Eric Tech Support Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,944	Do you use MS FrontPage? I currently use MS FrontPage for all of my websites. I am wondering if any of you use it, and what you think of it? Any better alternatives, etc? Some good addons,etc?

04-14-2005, 06:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ethan Sheriff Of Nothing Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 220	Frontpage designes for IE only, it looks really bad in other browsers and offers little to now support for standards or CSS (depending on your version). Although I recommend against WYSIWYG editors, Dreamweaver is a far better alternative to Frontpage. __________________ Lowter.com - Webmaster eZine and Community Interactive eZine, Articles, Blogs, and More Norics.com \| Cascading Design \| Blue Programming

04-15-2005, 01:23 AM	#5 (permalink)
SB_GEMINI NamePros Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Newport, UK Posts: 930	Dreamweaver is the most popular in the professional market of web apps. Also for coding CSS try Topstyle its the best choice for coding CSS as it lets you cleerly visualise your CSS while editing. __________________ SB \| Networks eCards4ALL.co.uk \| RobertDeNiroOnline.com \| Simon Barclay - Web/Graphic Designer \| GreatDesigners.Net \| JokeCabin.com \| FawltyTowersOnline.com

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Rowan W NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: QLD, Australia Posts: 713	WYSWYG editors are useless and cause more trouble than they're worth, code everything yourself if you want to get anywhere. __________________ Flash is bad for websites Why tables for layout is stupid IE IS BAD

04-15-2005, 02:20 AM	#9 (permalink)
will7 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,725	Frontpage is useless in my opinion. As is the "lets hand code everything" option. The thing with hand-coding is, it takes so long to code a decent site and you can not optimize your time. With a WYSIWYG editor, it makes the code for you. Now, granted, this code may not always be perfect, but when I run DW MX2004, a simple quick read through of the code gets rid of all the errors. Older versions of Dreamweaver are not good, but the latest, Dreamweaver MX 2004 is excellent. I'd recommend (from personal experience of hand-coding and DW) the Dreamweaver, WYSIWYG editor is the best option! ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/web-design-discussion/82714-do-you-use-ms-frontpage.html Frontpage will never be able to compete with Dreamweaver. That is a simple fact. There are some hand-code patriots but, I guess we all have our opinions on the subject and there really is no straight answer to the question - it is just whatever works for you! __________________ Will Narburgh \| Graphic design \| Twitter \| Email me

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04-14-2005, 07:00 PM	THREAD STARTER #3 (permalink)
Eric Tech Support Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,944	Forgot...I use the 2002 version.

04-14-2005, 07:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
rongshihong NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New York,US & Beijing,China Posts: 668	Frontpage is what I usually use because I find myself more familiar with the Microsoft Office applications. Dreamweave is nice too but I haven't tried it.

04-15-2005, 02:02 AM	#6 (permalink)
She Unlimited NamePros Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Tokyo, London, D.C. Posts: 342	Dreamweaver is great, but there are tons of new features and fixes in Front Page 2003 that should compare close with Dreamweaver.

04-15-2005, 02:13 AM	#8 (permalink)
She Unlimited NamePros Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Tokyo, London, D.C. Posts: 342	It may be hard for him to code along without a Windows front end. Dreamweaver you turn off those features WYSIWYG and FP I think?

04-15-2005, 02:27 AM	#10 (permalink)
She Unlimited NamePros Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Tokyo, London, D.C. Posts: 342	Will you are very right but I guess if he is on a budget, FP 2003 would be cheaper.

04-15-2005, 02:39 AM	#11 (permalink)
will7 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,725	Indeed, FP is the budget option, DW is the professional option. Hand coding is the controversial option. That sums it up really. __________________ Will Narburgh \| Graphic design \| Twitter \| Email me

04-15-2005, 03:10 AM	#12 (permalink)
Mystic Account Suspended Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 1,169	40% of the time i use dreamweaver, and i remove any errors, and remove the tags i dont like, instead of align=center raplace with <center> etc, but most the time, hand coding in notepad is best

04-15-2005, 03:35 AM	#13 (permalink)
adam_uk Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,187	i just use notepad

04-15-2005, 03:55 AM	#14 (permalink)
hanz onArcade.com Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Estonia Posts: 1,224	I used it before, but nowadays I use notebad. Notebad is so much better. __________________ so.ee - really short URLs onArcade arcade script

04-17-2005, 06:29 PM	#21 (permalink)
Lyte Pros Against Prejudice Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 1,738	I too use FrontPage.

04-15-2005, 04:16 AM	#15 (permalink)
vip-ip Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: root@localhost Posts: 4,011	I always use it to customize my slicing, i.e. when I slice a PSD temp in photoshop, I replace the image with empty space and put the image as a cell background. The rest is done manually. I don't like that sometimes it looks good in the PREVIEW but it's all jacked up in the browser.

04-15-2005, 05:06 AM	#16 (permalink)
Mystic Account Suspended Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 1,169	notepads the best editor you can get, it does perl, php, html, javascript etc, it does a lot

04-17-2005, 05:22 PM	#17 (permalink)
Jimmy Changa PlanetBurrito.com Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 642	Those of you who use Notepad, check out Crimson Editor. It color codes, tabs (like Firefox) and other cool stuff. CE is the best, IMO. I also do image work/slicing in Fireworks which is an excellent program. __________________ My Current Domain Listings. Celebrity & Model Website Portal I ate some prunes today and they didn't do shit for me! - Jimmy Changa Last edited by Jimmy Changa; 04-17-2005 at 05:30 PM.

04-17-2005, 05:40 PM	#18 (permalink)
cera NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 780	I learned to code with NotePad but anyone that thinks it's still the best way to code is either stubborn or a sucker for punishment. Last time I used FrontPage (a few years ago) it produced ugly, ugly code. I have been led to believe that FrontPage code is much better these days than it used to be though. I have been using DreamWeaver for a couple years now and have been impressed with how compact and clean the code is. You can always switch to code view or load your code into NotePad to clean up the occassional DreamWeaver yuk.

04-17-2005, 06:11 PM	#19 (permalink)
Jimmy Changa PlanetBurrito.com Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 642	I guess that's why I am doing so much in Fireworks now. The trouble is though, with that I am unable to use CSS-P which is so light and fast loading. So many choices, so little time. Never never use FP though. I've only seen one person produce good reults using FP in the 5 years I've been deigning websites. He runs http://www.webokay.net This is the ONLY person (I've seen) who uses FP well. __________________ My Current Domain Listings. Celebrity & Model Website Portal I ate some prunes today and they didn't do shit for me! - Jimmy Changa

04-17-2005, 06:24 PM	THREAD STARTER #20 (permalink)
Eric Tech Support Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,944	Thanks for all of your help guys. I appreciate it. Just got Dreamweaver. Let's see how that works out.

04-17-2005, 10:46 PM	#23 (permalink)
She Unlimited NamePros Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Tokyo, London, D.C. Posts: 342	I heard building pages with Xhtml is better?

04-17-2005, 10:47 PM	#24 (permalink)
hbalagh Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,472	i use fp 2003 it has alot more functions then xp did... __________________ My Personal Blog

04-17-2005, 11:07 PM	#25 (permalink)
Veolus Account Closed Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 4,308	I love frontpage! It's so easy to use

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