My Rant: ASP and MicroSoft

Mp)Tarh · 11-21-2003, 07:42 PM

PLEASE READ THIS!

The Rant
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I get really mad about the lack of respect for ASP around forums these days. It's all PHP this, and PHP that. PHP code looks to much like JavaScript to me, and plus ASP is way better for databasing and E-mail sending.
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Please, someone put an area for ASP around here somewhere! Since it was the first Language I ever learned, with the exception of HTML (not JavaScript), I would really like it if other people could share thoughts about it.

And then I think about what the cause of this may be - Microsoft. This brings me to part 2 of my Rant.
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Part 2
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Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft. Please tell me, what is wrong about Microsoft?

Most people I talk to today absolutly HATE Microsoft. This is, as they tell me, because of one of two reasons:

Reason 1:
Microsoft is the Monopoly of the buisness. Don't even try to tell me otherwise. You know it, I know it, we all know it, so let's not put further discussion into that factor. Perhaps because of this they run other buisnesses out before they can get started. It IS true you know, they have so much money that they can sell really cheap, while small buisnesses can't.

At first I had sympathy for the people who told me this. But then I thought, wait a minute. Is this what our world is coming to? Just because a buisness does better than others, they get sued? Would Coke sue Pepsi if they were run out of buisness? If any judge did allow them to, they would be totally crazy, or just liked Coke better, which brings me to the second reason.

Reason 2:
Bill Gates. If you just snickered, growled, grunted or whatever, you apply to this reason. People say they hate Bill Gates. They hate him, huh? And then I ask, "Why do you hate Bill Gates", to which they reply "Because he's annoying" or "Because he's mean" or "Because he's impolite".

Yeah, sure, whatever. If you have ever said that, why? Have you met him? Have you had a conversation with him? Have you studied his work and followed his carrier track for every second and conversation of his life?

OR... is it another reason?

Reason 3 (The True and un-deniable):
Are you jealous of Microsoft?
Did you just say "No" and snicker?
Did your heartrate just rise a little?
Do I speak the truth?
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Conclusion:
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So there you have it. That was my rant.
If you read all of this, I commend you.
If you didn't, perhaps you should. The second part is probably for you.
Perhaps this little chat has put some light on a few things.

I'm ready for the flooding replies of "What are you talking about, I love Microsoft" and "Your stupid" and things of such. So just to let you know, I'm not reading them.

Please note, I did not mean to offend anyone in this post. I also do not mean to be offended. So perhaps this has given you time to ponder on things.

Now if you don't mind, I am going to bed.
Good night.

adam_uk · 11-22-2003, 04:05 AM

hmmmmmmm

my views

asp: imo it seems slower than php, also seems alot less suport for it
php: free, quick, and how the hell does it look like javascript?

if anything asp looks more like javascript

the thing about microsoft, most people hate them because they are so dominant. they just rip people off and sue people at the first sign of competition (lindows v windows for example). they also charge extortionate prices for their software and then people go to other companys such as software602 or other smaller companies for software

Alpha · 11-22-2003, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by adam_uk
hmmmmmmm

my views

asp: imo it seems slower than php, also seems alot less suport for it
php: free, quick, and how the hell does it look like javascript?

if anything asp looks more like javascript

the thing about microsoft, most people hate them because they are so dominant. they just rip people off and sue people at the first sign of competition (lindows v windows for example). they also charge extortionate prices for their software and then people go to other companys such as software602 or other smaller companies for software

Yeah well if it wern't for (Bill Gates)them, our definintion of software wouldn't exist and you wouldn't be here right now

MP)Tarh is right...

NetButch · 11-22-2003, 05:45 PM

One. I do not hate Microsoft, I use thier products daily.

HOWEVER. My reason for finding microsoft alternatives is really quite simple..

first.. Price.. often there are products of similar quality with a smaller price tag.

Second. Programming.. and I am not talking about JavaScript, PHP, ASP, or Visual Basic.. I am talking about real core programming.. it is becoming a lost art (infact I think I lost it all).. programmers these days rely on a GUI and couldn't write a COBAL, PASCAL, or Assembly program if they had to.. Microsoft I feel is the worst at this.. they continually release programs that are not complete or full of holes and then expect you to keep up with all the patches and updates.. this is a direct result from keeping the source code secret from the world.. Linux, PHP, OpenOffice, and the like are superior to MSFT programs in many ways due to the constant and structered de-bugging and improovement process that is required for open source programming.

Bill Gates is a great man who has done great things, the amount of money he gives away every year amazes me.. He is a true humanitarian and I respect his position.
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Being the bigest does not always make you the best... I search for and test software based on its ability to meet my needs with a minimum of complication.. PHP meets those needs, OpenOffice meets those needs, so I dont use ASP or MSOffice...

On a side note.. I dont use Adobe either.. I find the Ulead products meet my needs for a much lower price.. nothing against Adobe.. just my preference.

In closing, I would remind you that just because someone doesnt use MSFT products alone, doesnt mean they hate MSFT or Bill Gates.

Have a great day!

deadserious · 11-27-2003, 01:06 AM

I'll have to agree with NetButch, I think that sums it all up pretty good.

I don't know if you could really say it's easier to use for databasing and email sending though. Maybe it is for you, but that doesn't really mean it's easier overall. I suppose some examples of each doing the same thing could let others decide on which is easier. But, I really don't know enough about ASP to really compare it to PHP. I've been thinking about getting myself to learn a bit about ASP.net though.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=15647
And feel free to share all your knowledge about ASP with us around here all you want. You can even submit tutorials and such on using ASP if you'd like. That may bring more interest around here about ASP. There's currently no specific category on these forums for any language, just the programming forum where you may discuss any languages that you'd like.

Chris D · 11-27-2003, 10:58 PM

I agree with you Mp)Tarh, there doesn't seem to be much, if any, respect for ASP or Microsoft. PHP was the first language I learnt, but that is only because you could find things to help you with it. If there were more tutorials and such on ASP, who says myself and many others wouldn't have learnt that first.

One thing that really annoys me is the people out there that continue to go on about open source software and the such, eg. Linux and OpenOffice, and have no real reason to hate Microsoft or it's products. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing aganist open source software but I now don't use pretty much any of it because those people who really piss me off by only going for that and ditching Microsoft products for no reason.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=15647

Anyway, if people didn't stop fighting over stupid things like this, then maybe there'd be a whole lot better programs out there.

Peachy · 01-07-2004, 08:38 AM

There's nothing wrong with posting a rant. But why would you say you will not read the replies to your post? This "is" a forum.

Kodeking · 01-07-2004, 06:00 PM

I think people just say they hate microsoft because they are jealous or they just wanna follow the crowd of other anti-ms followers

Or they just think its cool to hate MS

DarkDevil · 01-07-2004, 08:16 PM

Wow, for once i have something new to offer to a thread that's older than a few days.
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ASP.. i have nothing against it, but i don't know it. I learned the little i know about php simply because it's the most popular of the bunch.

Microsoft... Well... There's all to much stuff for me to go into, it'd be more educational to read this article entitled What's so bad about microsoft

One thing left out from that article is microsoft's talks with intel to release Wintel chips (this is just a term used by the general nerd public) these chips require a windows based operating system to even boot up. To my knowledge this hasn't been approved, but if does it would mean all computers stocked with the Wintel chip would only work on a windows based operating system. No Linux based products at all, forget about duel boot, forget about booting onto linux from a cd when your windows based computer crashes for the fifth time that night.

tuppis · 01-18-2004, 07:18 AM

Actually... ASP is much easier to learn than PHP. For example, in PHP you have to put a semicolon after every line wich is quite annoying.

Which one looks easiest?

ASP:<%

Code:

If somethin = value Then
do something
Else
do something else
End If
%>

PHP:[CODE]<?php
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if ($something == value) { do something; } else { do something else; } ?>

*EDIT*

Actually... ASP is much easier to learn than PHP. For example, in PHP you have to put a semicolon after every line wich is quite annoying.

Which one looks easiest?

ASP:

Code:

<%
If somethin = value Then
do something
Else
do something else
End If
%>

PHP:

Code:

<?php
if ($something == value) { do something; } else { do something else; } ?>

11-21-2003, 07:42 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
Mp)Tarh NamePros Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 98	My Rant: ASP and MicroSoft PLEASE READ THIS! The Rant --------------------------------------- I get really mad about the lack of respect for ASP around forums these days. It's all PHP this, and PHP that. PHP code looks to much like JavaScript to me, and plus ASP is way better for databasing and E-mail sending. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/web-design-discussion/15647-my-rant-asp-and-microsoft.html Please, someone put an area for ASP around here somewhere! Since it was the first Language I ever learned, with the exception of HTML (not JavaScript), I would really like it if other people could share thoughts about it. And then I think about what the cause of this may be - Microsoft. This brings me to part 2 of my Rant. --------------------------------------- Part 2 --------------------------------------- Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft. Please tell me, what is wrong about Microsoft? Most people I talk to today absolutly HATE Microsoft. This is, as they tell me, because of one of two reasons: Reason 1: Microsoft is the Monopoly of the buisness. Don't even try to tell me otherwise. You know it, I know it, we all know it, so let's not put further discussion into that factor. Perhaps because of this they run other buisnesses out before they can get started. It IS true you know, they have so much money that they can sell really cheap, while small buisnesses can't. At first I had sympathy for the people who told me this. But then I thought, wait a minute. Is this what our world is coming to? Just because a buisness does better than others, they get sued? Would Coke sue Pepsi if they were run out of buisness? If any judge did allow them to, they would be totally crazy, or just liked Coke better, which brings me to the second reason. Reason 2: Bill Gates. If you just snickered, growled, grunted or whatever, you apply to this reason. People say they hate Bill Gates. They hate him, huh? And then I ask, "Why do you hate Bill Gates", to which they reply "Because he's annoying" or "Because he's mean" or "Because he's impolite". Yeah, sure, whatever. If you have ever said that, why? Have you met him? Have you had a conversation with him? Have you studied his work and followed his carrier track for every second and conversation of his life? OR... is it another reason? Reason 3 (The True and un-deniable): Are you jealous of Microsoft? Did you just say "No" and snicker? Did your heartrate just rise a little? Do I speak the truth? --------------------------------------- Conclusion: --------------------------------------- So there you have it. That was my rant. If you read all of this, I commend you. If you didn't, perhaps you should. The second part is probably for you. Perhaps this little chat has put some light on a few things. I'm ready for the flooding replies of "What are you talking about, I love Microsoft" and "Your stupid" and things of such. So just to let you know, I'm not reading them. Please note, I did not mean to offend anyone in this post. I also do not mean to be offended. So perhaps this has given you time to ponder on things. Now if you don't mind, I am going to bed. Good night.

11-22-2003, 05:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
NetButch NamePros Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 38	One. I do not hate Microsoft, I use thier products daily. HOWEVER. My reason for finding microsoft alternatives is really quite simple.. first.. Price.. often there are products of similar quality with a smaller price tag. Second. Programming.. and I am not talking about JavaScript, PHP, ASP, or Visual Basic.. I am talking about real core programming.. it is becoming a lost art (infact I think I lost it all).. programmers these days rely on a GUI and couldn't write a COBAL, PASCAL, or Assembly program if they had to.. Microsoft I feel is the worst at this.. they continually release programs that are not complete or full of holes and then expect you to keep up with all the patches and updates.. this is a direct result from keeping the source code secret from the world.. Linux, PHP, OpenOffice, and the like are superior to MSFT programs in many ways due to the constant and structered de-bugging and improovement process that is required for open source programming. Bill Gates is a great man who has done great things, the amount of money he gives away every year amazes me.. He is a true humanitarian and I respect his position. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=15647 Being the bigest does not always make you the best... I search for and test software based on its ability to meet my needs with a minimum of complication.. PHP meets those needs, OpenOffice meets those needs, so I dont use ASP or MSOffice... On a side note.. I dont use Adobe either.. I find the Ulead products meet my needs for a much lower price.. nothing against Adobe.. just my preference. In closing, I would remind you that just because someone doesnt use MSFT products alone, doesnt mean they hate MSFT or Bill Gates. Have a great day! __________________ NetButch ... Catch Your Audience! www.netbutch.com

11-27-2003, 10:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
Chris D NamePros Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 31	I agree with you Mp)Tarh, there doesn't seem to be much, if any, respect for ASP or Microsoft. PHP was the first language I learnt, but that is only because you could find things to help you with it. If there were more tutorials and such on ASP, who says myself and many others wouldn't have learnt that first. One thing that really annoys me is the people out there that continue to go on about open source software and the such, eg. Linux and OpenOffice, and have no real reason to hate Microsoft or it's products. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing aganist open source software but I now don't use pretty much any of it because those people who really piss me off by only going for that and ditching Microsoft products for no reason. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=15647 Anyway, if people didn't stop fighting over stupid things like this, then maybe there'd be a whole lot better programs out there. __________________ - Christopher Dayne General Manager - Inter-House Network

01-07-2004, 08:16 PM	#9 (permalink)
DarkDevil NamePros Regular Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 481	Wow, for once i have something new to offer to a thread that's older than a few days. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=15647 ASP.. i have nothing against it, but i don't know it. I learned the little i know about php simply because it's the most popular of the bunch. Microsoft... Well... There's all to much stuff for me to go into, it'd be more educational to read this article entitled What's so bad about microsoft One thing left out from that article is microsoft's talks with intel to release Wintel chips (this is just a term used by the general nerd public) these chips require a windows based operating system to even boot up. To my knowledge this hasn't been approved, but if does it would mean all computers stocked with the Wintel chip would only work on a windows based operating system. No Linux based products at all, forget about duel boot, forget about booting onto linux from a cd when your windows based computer crashes for the fifth time that night. __________________ Sometimes I lay awake at night and I ask "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a little voice says "This is going to take more than one night"

01-18-2004, 07:18 AM	#10 (permalink)
tuppis New Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Solna, Sweden Posts: 18	Actually... ASP is much easier to learn than PHP. For example, in PHP you have to put a semicolon after every line wich is quite annoying. Which one looks easiest? ASP:<% Code: If somethin = value Then do something Else do something else End If %> PHP:[CODE]<?php ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=15647 if ($something == value) { do something; } else { do something else; } ?> EDIT Actually... ASP is much easier to learn than PHP. For example, in PHP you have to put a semicolon after every line wich is quite annoying. Which one looks easiest? ASP: Code: <% If somethin = value Then do something Else do something else End If %> PHP: Code: <?php if ($something == value) { do something; } else { do something else; } ?> __________________ hmm...

11-22-2003, 04:05 AM	#2 (permalink)
adam_uk Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,187	hmmmmmmm my views asp: imo it seems slower than php, also seems alot less suport for it php: free, quick, and how the hell does it look like javascript? if anything asp looks more like javascript the thing about microsoft, most people hate them because they are so dominant. they just rip people off and sue people at the first sign of competition (lindows v windows for example). they also charge extortionate prices for their software and then people go to other companys such as software602 or other smaller companies for software

11-27-2003, 01:06 AM	#5 (permalink)
deadserious Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,255	I'll have to agree with NetButch, I think that sums it all up pretty good. I don't know if you could really say it's easier to use for databasing and email sending though. Maybe it is for you, but that doesn't really mean it's easier overall. I suppose some examples of each doing the same thing could let others decide on which is easier. But, I really don't know enough about ASP to really compare it to PHP. I've been thinking about getting myself to learn a bit about ASP.net though. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=15647 And feel free to share all your knowledge about ASP with us around here all you want. You can even submit tutorials and such on using ASP if you'd like. That may bring more interest around here about ASP. There's currently no specific category on these forums for any language, just the programming forum where you may discuss any languages that you'd like.

01-07-2004, 08:38 AM	#7 (permalink)
Peachy New Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Alabama Posts: 12	There's nothing wrong with posting a rant. But why would you say you will not read the replies to your post? This "is" a forum.

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