To CSS or not to CSS?

ThreeD · 10-13-2005, 04:21 AM

Basic design question, do you design most of your sites with CSS by now, or do you still use the good old table tag?

I've looked through some of the biggest sites online, and most of them still seem to be using tables. I just know that I wouldn't want to be the webmaster converting lets say ebay or amazon from tables to a nifty css layout

thomaslgates · 10-13-2005, 05:57 AM

I most probably use Tables. I use CSS only when my clients opt for it. Most of them opt for CSS.

I love CSS.

alex_d · 10-13-2005, 06:01 AM

Though tables is probably the easiest and quickest way, you really should be using CSS for all design purposes.

I had a few sites done with tables that had a few hundred pages each. Took me a while to redesign them all using CSS, but they seem to be working much better now.

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For accessibility issues, you should definately be using CSS. Do not underestimate the importance of this, and if you can get your site working properly now with CSS, you can sit back and relax whilst others frantically get their coding updated.

There are several sites online that show how to make a site design in CSS giving you the exact same look and feel as if you used tables.

Good luck

Alex

peter phillips · 10-13-2005, 06:28 AM

I would say Table based CSS because sites designed with the help of table based CSS are not browser dependent while the sites designed with PURE CSS are browser dependent.

If you design your site with PURE CSS it may work in some browsers and it may not work in some, for eg. it may work in Internet Explorer but you may not see the same results in Mozilla Firefox.

LeetPCUser · 10-13-2005, 06:38 AM

I hate tables. They do not line up correctly.

viciouscircle · 10-13-2005, 06:46 AM

most of my new stuff is done in css. however i do still use tables on occasion. it really just depends on what im trying to do with the site.

sdsinc · 10-13-2005, 07:05 AM

Well I've been using CSS for years but tables for layout until recently.
I now design using TABLEless design, which is really cool: you just tweak the stylesheet to change the positionning of elements in your website.
I think you should at least use CSS for formatting. CSS support varies from one browser to another, there are also pitfalls, bugs and tricks which can come down the road and it may require extensive browser knowledge to overcome problems when they arise.
Should you jump or not ? I think you should get to know your visitors. What browsers do they use, if their browsers are too old maybe it's best to wait.

Shorty · 10-13-2005, 10:07 AM

I always use CSS to customise tables that I use for layout. If your tables aren't lining up properly, you tweak the sizes. How hard is that?

aaronfalloon · 10-13-2005, 11:09 AM

I use CSS for almost all things to do with style and placement.

linker · 10-13-2005, 11:26 AM

I hardly use tables any more myself, I find that css allows for more flexibility in design, there is a learning curve for sure, but once you get past that it can be quite easy to rip off some great looking sites in no time...

lilgee · 10-13-2005, 11:41 AM

I go with CSS.

leviathon · 10-13-2005, 05:32 PM

CSS for sure! Makes your website-revising life sooo much easier.

The table tags will take you forever, but then there's a way, and that's copying the tag and paste it on the new thing you're applying it to. But CSS is still easier

happyme · 10-14-2005, 02:07 AM

css make it vert easy to update web style

-Ray- · 10-14-2005, 05:48 AM

Ive never really used css for my sites. But ive learned the more dynamic and page intergrated your site is, its better just to use css, and save time modifiing loads of pages when u change your layout

richplay · 10-14-2005, 03:15 PM

CSS offers wide range of good things that you can't do with tables.

forumner · 10-16-2005, 09:17 AM

CSS is better for nhancement

alanpaladka · 10-16-2005, 09:38 AM

I use CSS to give formatting to the Webpages.

vivsin · 10-16-2005, 04:40 PM

For styles CSS is MUST. Just think of updating style of whole website if u r not using CSS.

Momo · 10-19-2005, 07:39 AM

I find it easier to code my sites using tables, I just use CSS to style them.

Ju5T · 10-19-2005, 12:36 PM

Yes, to CSS.

Epic · 10-19-2005, 12:38 PM

I dont really know CSS...so i use tables

Ju5T · 10-19-2005, 12:40 PM

Damn, so learn it, you will need it sometimes, somewhere, someday, but you will need it...

RWoolley · 10-22-2005, 06:05 AM

CSS is something I never knew much about, Now I do I use it for most things.

ThreeD · 10-22-2005, 08:08 AM

I guess tables are the old fashioned way when it comes to designing websites - the new era of websites will all be running CSS layouts. For those of you who haven't even taken a look at CSS may want to do so

For certain layouts you just can't do without tables, I use a nice combo of tables and CSS on the few sites I'm working on, works like a charm so far!

TwiztedFake · 10-22-2005, 03:15 PM

Straight CSS for designing and formatting. Tables are designed to display data in an ordered way.

Besides if you are going to use CSS for the style of your tables why not just get rid of the tables and use all CSS.

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ThreeD Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Online Posts: 2,301	To CSS or not to CSS? Basic design question, do you design most of your sites with CSS by now, or do you still use the good old table tag? I've looked through some of the biggest sites online, and most of them still seem to be using tables. I just know that I wouldn't want to be the webmaster converting lets say ebay or amazon from tables to a nifty css layout __________________ ► * Losers make excuses - winners make it happen *

10-13-2005, 06:01 AM	#3 (permalink)
alex_d NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 903	Though tables is probably the easiest and quickest way, you really should be using CSS for all design purposes. I had a few sites done with tables that had a few hundred pages each. Took me a while to redesign them all using CSS, but they seem to be working much better now. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/web-design-discussion/131348-to-css-or-not-to-css.html For accessibility issues, you should definately be using CSS. Do not underestimate the importance of this, and if you can get your site working properly now with CSS, you can sit back and relax whilst others frantically get their coding updated. There are several sites online that show how to make a site design in CSS giving you the exact same look and feel as if you used tables. Good luck Alex __________________ Page Rank is dead - It's the SERPs that count. What's your Serp Rank ? Παιχνιδια OnlineTravel.tv \| OnlineHotels.tv \| OnlineCasinos.tv

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peter phillips Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,318	I would say Table based CSS because sites designed with the help of table based CSS are not browser dependent while the sites designed with PURE CSS are browser dependent. If you design your site with PURE CSS it may work in some browsers and it may not work in some, for eg. it may work in Internet Explorer but you may not see the same results in Mozilla Firefox. __________________ Outsourced Hosting Support \|\| Server Management \|\| Web Development Portfolio ICQ : 487-845-393 \|\| AIM : EtecDesigns \|\| MSN : sales@etechdesigns.net

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thomaslgates Account Suspended Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: India Posts: 672	I most probably use Tables. I use CSS only when my clients opt for it. Most of them opt for CSS. I love CSS.

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LeetPCUser Account Suspended Join Date: May 2005 Location: Whitewater, WI Posts: 3,710	I hate tables. They do not line up correctly.

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sdsinc Domains my Dominion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Web 1.0 Posts: 9,556	Well I've been using CSS for years but tables for layout until recently. I now design using TABLEless design, which is really cool: you just tweak the stylesheet to change the positionning of elements in your website. I think you should at least use CSS for formatting. CSS support varies from one browser to another, there are also pitfalls, bugs and tricks which can come down the road and it may require extensive browser knowledge to overcome problems when they arise. Should you jump or not ? I think you should get to know your visitors. What browsers do they use, if their browsers are too old maybe it's best to wait.

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Shorty Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: England Posts: 1,034	I always use CSS to customise tables that I use for layout. If your tables aren't lining up properly, you tweak the sizes. How hard is that?

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aaronfalloon NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 756	I use CSS for almost all things to do with style and placement.

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lilgee Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: NC Posts: 2,323	I go with CSS. __________________ Sharing 50% profit for helping to sell on ebay. PM me for more info.

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leviathon NamePros Regular Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 683	CSS for sure! Makes your website-revising life sooo much easier. The table tags will take you forever, but then there's a way, and that's copying the tag and paste it on the new thing you're applying it to. But CSS is still easier

10-14-2005, 02:07 AM	#13 (permalink)
happyme Account Closed Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 141	I use CSS css make it vert easy to update web style

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-Ray- Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,839	Ive never really used css for my sites. But ive learned the more dynamic and page intergrated your site is, its better just to use css, and save time modifiing loads of pages when u change your layout __________________ Poker News, articles, discussion LIKE THIS Its an iPod, a phone, and an internet communications device.

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richplay NamePros Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 81	CSS offers wide range of good things that you can't do with tables. __________________ Free Web Classifieds \| Free Web Directory

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vivsin Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,093	For styles CSS is MUST. Just think of updating style of whole website if u r not using CSS. __________________ VIVROCKS "ROCK your LIFE" Visit : My Design Inspiration & Free Stuff Blog This is where I started, This is where I will end. NAMEPROS = kIcKaSs

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Momo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,299	I find it easier to code my sites using tables, I just use CSS to style them.

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Ju5T NamePros Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Lithuania Posts: 34	Yes, to CSS. __________________ Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiam.

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Epic Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,779	I dont really know CSS...so i use tables

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Ju5T NamePros Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Lithuania Posts: 34	Damn, so learn it, you will need it sometimes, somewhere, someday, but you will need it... __________________ Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiam.

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RWoolley NamePros Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 41	CSS is something I never knew much about, Now I do I use it for most things.

10-22-2005, 08:08 AM	THREAD STARTER #24 (permalink)
ThreeD Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Online Posts: 2,301	I guess tables are the old fashioned way when it comes to designing websites - the new era of websites will all be running CSS layouts. For those of you who haven't even taken a look at CSS may want to do so For certain layouts you just can't do without tables, I use a nice combo of tables and CSS on the few sites I'm working on, works like a charm so far! __________________ ► * Losers make excuses - winners make it happen *

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TwiztedFake NamePros Regular Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: IL Posts: 348	Straight CSS for designing and formatting. Tables are designed to display data in an ordered way. Besides if you are going to use CSS for the style of your tables why not just get rid of the tables and use all CSS. __________________ -TwiztedFake- RTard Tutorials Digital-Dummy to Total-Techie

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