Huge scam against sedo, afternic

airnike764 · 04-05-2005, 02:04 PM

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Not a scam.

I'm just playing with such suckers like AllForDomains.com and Sedo.com. WHY?

In my opinion appraisal service on domain names is a scam. Appraisers like AllForDomains.com, Sedo.com and Aftrenic.com are showing bogus figures and charge money for nothing. This is a big trap for all the domainers.

How can we stop them? There is only one way! When you order a service and then make charge back the company will have to pay the charge back fee. If they get too many charge backs they will have to close the business.

I've decided to stop teh domain appraisal scam this way.

It works very simple. Earlier I made several charge backs but it was not enough to stop them. Now I've contacted several domain sellers and asked them to order appraisals at Sedo.com and AllForDomains.com. Then I asked domain sellers to cancel these orders because it was a joke.

As a result AllForDomains.com and Sedo.com will lose big money on charge backs. My goal is to destroy AllForDomains and Sedo.

Thank you for helping me to crash these appraisers.

Now my traget is Afternic.com. I will ask people to order appraisals at Aftrenic.com and then I will tell them about my jokes.

Aftrenic.com (like AllForDomains.com) will have to stop their appraisal business due to high amount of charge backs and charge back fees.

Yahooo!! We'll destroy them!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: AirNike764@aol.com
To: trevorb@toughguy.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: Bid on goldencrown.com

Nice scam. You almost seemed like a legitimate buyer. Thanks anyways and good luck ripping someone else off.

In a message dated 4/5/2005 3:37:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, trevorb@toughguy.net writes:

Do you sell a developed site or just domain name? If you don't have a site it's not a problem. I'm mostly interested in domain names without content.

Do you have an appraisal of your domain? I need an appraisal certificate before making an offer. Domain name is an investment for me. I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future. So I need to know the current market value of your name. I guess your are also interested in getting this figure.

Please note that I don't trust free or cheap appraisals. So we cannot accept appraisal from each and every site.

Earlier I had a bad experience with Afternic.com. I also found the following information about them.
http://forum.icann.org/nsi2001/3AC75D7900000305.html

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a forum.
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/11076.htm
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/warnings-and-alerts/80477-huge-scam-against-sedo-afternic.html
Juck check this posting.

After I verify an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.PayPal.com, www.escrow.com, check or wire?

Looking forward to your reply.

----- Original Message -----
From: AirNike764@aol.com
To: trevorb@toughguy.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: Bid on goldencrown.com

I have previously tried selling my name but I am not getting the response I want. It is a very brandable casino domain name and so I guess the people that would be interested are the ones that are going to be building a casino site. Most "domainers" are looking for linkpop or traffic, not anything brandable. I have actually taken the name off sale because I did not get any offers and I am currently developing it into a casino review site. You are more then welcome to submit an offer but I do not have a price in mind that I am willing to accept right now.

I hope that helps
Thank You

P.S. Everything can stay confidential as you wish.

In a message dated 4/5/2005 5:59:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, trevorb@toughguy.net writes:
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=80477

Hi,

I'm writing regarding your domain for sale I saw about two weeks ago. Unfortunately, I was busy and could not contact you at that time.

Is it still available for sale? Have you received any bids from other buyers?

Please email me your asking price.

If I can afford your domain I will contact you. Please keep my email address and our correspondence confidential.

I run a software development company. Selling & buying names is not my main business. Just another way to invest free money and make some income.

Kindest regards,

Trevor Berger

CEO

Chams Consulting

Cost Analysis & Revenue Assurance Software.

04/05/05.

Summary - He pretends he is interested in a domain name. Tells us to order an appraisal from companies like sedo and afternic. Then tells us to do a chargeback so those companies can lose money on chargeback fees

TheWebJunkie · 04-05-2005, 02:31 PM

i dont think you will be able to close sedo with a few charge-backs.

airnike764 · 04-05-2005, 02:34 PM

Just a clarification. I am airnike764@aol.com in the email. I am not the one running the scam, the other guy is.

RJ · 04-05-2005, 02:39 PM

Sounds like an effective way to stop scammers, but why do you group Sedo.com and Afternic.com with an obvious scam company like Allfordomains? As far as I know, Sedo and Afternic have not misled or scammed people into ordering their services.

airnike764 · 04-05-2005, 02:58 PM

That guy is against any type of appraisal service. He thinks if he can get enough people to order appraisals from sedo/afternic, then give them chargebacks, he can put them out of business.

Ben42 · 04-05-2005, 03:05 PM

The best way to stop them is to have everyone that went for the scam reverse the charges on whoever actually charged them for the appraisal.

I don't see how this is Sedo's or Afternic's fault except that through their service is how the scammer found you.

LeeRyder · 04-05-2005, 03:06 PM

RJ i believe he is sayin by sedo..et al, appraising domains artificially high.. they are doing s disservice to the domain community.. to a point.. i agree (by about 70%).

not sure if it could work to be honest.... I'm sure the domain appraisals are there bread and butter, hitting them there and effectively forcing fair and honest appraisals seems like a good idea on paper... but in practice.. i dunno.

RJ · 04-05-2005, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by airnike764

That guy is against any type of appraisal service. He thinks if he can get enough people to order appraisals from sedo/afternic, then give them chargebacks, he can put them out of business.

What guy are you talking about? From the looks of your original post its you that is advocating ordering appraisals at Sedo and charging them back. I think I misread the post.

I'm not a fan of paid appraisals either, especially ones that have no basis in reality, but I can't see why you would target those companies (sedo/afternic) to commit fraud against.

airnike764 · 04-05-2005, 03:16 PM

Sorry to get you confused RJ. I would never do that. I am airnike764@aol.com in the email. The other guy was pretending to be interested in buying my name, goldencrown.com. He wanted me to order an appraisal, then tell me hes not interested any more and to do a chargeback.

RJ · 04-05-2005, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by airnike764

Sorry to get you confused RJ. I would never do that. I am airnike764@aol.com in the email. The other guy was pretending to be interested in buying my name, goldencrown.com. He wanted me to order an appraisal, then tell me hes not interested any more and to do a chargeback.

Got it. Need to read the post from the bottom up.

Kind of funny he tells you to do a chargeback against his own company.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=80477

Hope you don't mind I added quotes around the email correspondence in the OP.

sunken · 04-05-2005, 06:33 PM

There is a thing wrong with his plan. Chargebacks are not as easily done if there has been no fraud. If someone orders an appraisal and gets said appraisal, the card company is not going to allow the chargeback. Not only that, but may actually consider the person who is charging back, frauding themselves. If there could be, Sedo might actually be hard pressed to keep that part of the business and keep it's merchant and/or Paypal account. Every company no matter how big has a certain tolerance by the card company for chargebacks. Too many and the card company will indeed drop their ability. However, as I said, these have to be real chargebacks, and not perpetuated fraud. I can't believe some people and their schemes.

ZuraX · 04-06-2005, 02:20 AM

If you do a lot of charge backs the CC will drop your account and then what will you do with no card? LOL

04-05-2005, 02:34 PM	THREAD STARTER #3 (permalink)
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04-05-2005, 02:39 PM	#4 (permalink)
RJ NamePros Webmaster Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,930 Follow @DomainBuyer	Sounds like an effective way to stop scammers, but why do you group Sedo.com and Afternic.com with an obvious scam company like Allfordomains? As far as I know, Sedo and Afternic have not misled or scammed people into ordering their services. __________________ @DomainBuyer facebook

04-05-2005, 02:58 PM	THREAD STARTER #5 (permalink)
airnike764 NamePros Regular Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 442	That guy is against any type of appraisal service. He thinks if he can get enough people to order appraisals from sedo/afternic, then give them chargebacks, he can put them out of business. __________________ Legal Help

04-05-2005, 03:05 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ben42 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chi-Town Posts: 2,072	The best way to stop them is to have everyone that went for the scam reverse the charges on whoever actually charged them for the appraisal. I don't see how this is Sedo's or Afternic's fault except that through their service is how the scammer found you. __________________ Good Bands \| Tablet Protectors \| SAIL \| Which Toner? \| 3d Projecting

04-05-2005, 03:16 PM	THREAD STARTER #9 (permalink)
airnike764 NamePros Regular Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 442	Sorry to get you confused RJ. I would never do that. I am airnike764@aol.com in the email. The other guy was pretending to be interested in buying my name, goldencrown.com. He wanted me to order an appraisal, then tell me hes not interested any more and to do a chargeback. __________________ Legal Help

04-05-2005, 02:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
TheWebJunkie Account Suspended Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 118	i dont think you will be able to close sedo with a few charge-backs.

04-05-2005, 03:06 PM	#7 (permalink)
LeeRyder Account Closed Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Left Coast Posts: 3,508	RJ i believe he is sayin by sedo..et al, appraising domains artificially high.. they are doing s disservice to the domain community.. to a point.. i agree (by about 70%). not sure if it could work to be honest.... I'm sure the domain appraisals are there bread and butter, hitting them there and effectively forcing fair and honest appraisals seems like a good idea on paper... but in practice.. i dunno.

04-05-2005, 06:33 PM	#11 (permalink)
sunken Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,279	There is a thing wrong with his plan. Chargebacks are not as easily done if there has been no fraud. If someone orders an appraisal and gets said appraisal, the card company is not going to allow the chargeback. Not only that, but may actually consider the person who is charging back, frauding themselves. If there could be, Sedo might actually be hard pressed to keep that part of the business and keep it's merchant and/or Paypal account. Every company no matter how big has a certain tolerance by the card company for chargebacks. Too many and the card company will indeed drop their ability. However, as I said, these have to be real chargebacks, and not perpetuated fraud. I can't believe some people and their schemes. __________________ juegos juegos \| Your Hotel in Austria psicologo valencia

04-06-2005, 02:20 AM	#12 (permalink)
ZuraX Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Pennsylvania USA Posts: 2,683	If you do a lot of charge backs the CC will drop your account and then what will you do with no card? LOL __________________ Been a NP member for 5 or more years? PM me to join the Social Group!

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