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01-24-2005, 05:21 PM
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| NamePros Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando
Posts: 60
   | Appraisal Scam I would like to know if anyone have had a person contact them about buying there domain name and using an independent appraisal service,after I present him the appraisal,now he want 30 days to find a buyer.I am wondering is there people out there with thier own agenda? |
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Search the forum for "appraisal scam", and you'll see this is quite a notorious ruse. If possible, try to get your money back ASAP. |
01-24-2005, 11:28 PM
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| Account Suspended  Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Left Coast
Posts: 3,503
| can you post to us the entire emails ALONG WITH the headers of them please? We need to physically find this guy. Im getting sick and tired of these threads and seeing people bring/potentially being scammed |
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01-25-2005, 12:08 AM
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| NamePros Regular  Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Melbourne
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he wanted appraisal from:hollywooddomains.com or fastdomainsales.com or greatdomains.com -right?
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01-25-2005, 04:27 AM
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| Ravaged By Age  Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PST + 8
Posts: 3,502
    | search this forum, same post brought many many times previously. sorry to say that (if youve paid) youve been had. no intended sale or intended buyer. And if you get funny with your so called buyer, they will get nasty. Only comfort for you would be to report them to the fbi http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp or file a complaint with their email provider. |
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01-26-2005, 06:18 AM
| THREAD STARTER #7 (permalink) |
| NamePros Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando
Posts: 60
| Re:Scam This is the post From Jack Martin@toughguy.net ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/warnings-and-alerts/66660-appraisal-scam.html We need to find this guy bad, thank you guys for telling me about this scam. We need an appraisal before making an offer. Our partners (webmasters and domain owners) always recommend us to verify an independent appraisal first. It would be fair for both of us. Do you have an appraisal certificate for your name? Please note that we don't trust free or unprofessional appraisals from companies like www.valuations4u.com, www.swiftapraisal.com, www.accuratedomains.com etc. We have been already burned after accepting such appraisals in the past. We trust appraisal certificates from www.FastDomainSales.com or www.GreatDomains.com. It does not matter because each company from this list was recommended to us by experienced experts. After we verify an appraisal from you we'll continue negotiations. How do you prefer to get paid: www.PayPal.com, www.escrow.com, check or wire? Looking forward to your reply. Best regards, Jack Martin CEO MCSE, MCSD Swiss Software Consulting |
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01-26-2005, 06:43 AM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Columbia, MD
Posts: 1,828
| Yea, you've been had. They have been around scamming for years. I was first contacted about 2 years ago or so, but I never bit. They have no intention of buying, they are just pumping thier appraisal services.
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01-26-2005, 06:58 AM
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| NamePros Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando
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01-28-2005, 01:28 AM
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| New Member Join Date: Jan 2005
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| Wow, last year we received that scammer's email too. Never heard from them again after we put together a terse response to their inquiry. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=66660 We do not concern ourselves with appraisals. We know what this domain name is worth.Now we realize that we were responding to spam and whoever is sending this scam had no intention of responding to anybody's reply. Wonder what would happen if somebody replied by saying they already had an appraisal from one of those companies? If anybody does that and actually would get a response back, please follow by expecting a show of good faith and asking for earnest money being put forward first before negotiations continue. |
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01-28-2005, 02:22 AM
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| Account Closed Join Date: Jan 2005
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| Fast fred i recieved an e-mail from the same guy the other day it read: i asked him to pay for the appraisal and never heard from him again. Hi there, I received your ad from http://www.AllForDomains.com via email. Unfortunately I was out of town at that time. Sorry for delay with response. you wrote: =========================== 4F8.COM IPBSKIN.COM BESTSHOPPING.US DHCHAT.COM DHCHAT.NET IAUCTIONS.BIZ PAYOUTS.BIZ PRODUCINGDOMAINS.COM PRODUCTIVEDOMAINS.com S3X.BIZ SAVINGINFO.COM =========================== I run a software development company. Selling & buying names is not my main business. Just another way to invest free money and make some income. We are interested in BESTSHOPPING.US. Do you sell a developed site or just domain name? We are mostly interested in domains without web content. Do you have an appraisal of your domain? We need an appraisal certificate from you before making an offer. Domain name is an investment for me. I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future.So I need to know the current market vlaue of your name. I guess your are also interested in getting this figure. Without professional appraisal it's impossible to set a right price. Do you have an appraisal certificate for your name? Please note that we don't trust free or unprofessional appraisals. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=66660 Moreover, earlier I had a bad experience with www.Afternic.com. Then I found the following information about Afternic in the forum http://forum.icann.org/nsi2001/3AC75D7900000305.html To avoid such mistakes in the future I asked about reputable appraisal companies in a well-known webmaster forum http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/13477.htm After we verify an appraisal from you we'll continue negotiations. How do you prefer to get paid: www.PayPal.com, www.escrow.com, check or wire? Looking forward to your reply. Best regards, Jack Martin CEO MCSE, MCSD Swiss Software Consulting Products/Services:Billing-Direct, Cost Analysis & Revenue Assurance Software |
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01-28-2005, 04:29 AM
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| Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Left Coast
Posts: 3,503
| Jack martin mike martin bil martin he pretty much sticks to those three names. (though there are others he uses). 100% scam. cant wait to find this ****stick. Lord help him if he is in the PNW area. |
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02-02-2005, 07:45 PM
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| NamePros Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: West Tennessee
Posts: 26
| here is one I got today here is an email I got today... Is this guy legit? Any thoughts? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Domain Holder, This is Vlad Scherman from http://dnsales.profit.com/email_free.htm. We can help you to sell your domains through our opt-in domain buyers list (12,000 domain buyers). You can send your domains to 150 domain buyers for free at http://dnsales.profit.com/email_free.htm Our service for domain sellers is unique. You won't find it on other sites. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=66660 After using free trial you may order the commercial OPT-IN list (12,000 domain buyers). We don't charge a commission upon sale, because you'll negotiate direct with the domain buyers. But we can help you with the escrow service. I also invite you to visit our domains wanted ads section. Just visit "Domains wanted" section on our site. You may find your buyer there. I wish you GOOD LUCK on the domain market ! Sincerely, Vlad Scherman http://dnsales.profit.com This is one time email. If you are not interested I won't bother you again.
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02-03-2005, 12:08 AM
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| Man from Manila   Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Net
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   | Sounds like a scam as well. If you do decide to dance with these guys, just don't take him up on his offer:
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02-03-2005, 01:18 AM
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| Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Land of Oz
Posts: 1,680
| If you want to try them out, use a throwaway email address, dont part with any cash, and if you get to sale time nominate an escrow service that you know and are happy with. If I can find the link I'll post it, about fake escrow services, that get the cash, or the goods, depending on the matter, and suddenly "are no more". This particular scam has been going on for quite some time. I'm not saying that this is the case here, but better to be safe than sorry My rule of thumb, if they want an appraisal, they pay for it, definitely sorts out the wheat from the chaff,  |
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02-03-2005, 12:40 PM
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| NamePros Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: West Tennessee
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update | Originally Posted by omnia |
| My rule of thumb, if they want an appraisal, they pay for it, definitely sorts out the wheat from the chaff, |
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GoMemphisGrizzlies!
Thanks for all the info!
My site is under construction Learn How to do it!
GoMemphisGrizzlies!
Thanks for all the info!
My site is under construction Learn How to do it!
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02-03-2005, 05:40 PM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Jun 2004
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| I got the same email as everyone else, I guess they really like the toughguy.net email accounts. I actually read about this a while ago and knew it was a scam, but I tried to play along to see how far he would go. Here's the emails: From: George Bergman <gbergman@toughguy.net> To: David Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:14:42 +0300 (MSK) Subject: ****** (sent 02/01/05) Hi, I saw your domain listed for sale several days ago. I was busy and could not contact you at that time. Is it still available for sale? Have you received any bids from other buyers? If it's still available for sale please email me your asking price in US dollars. If you have other good domains for sale feel free to email me the full list with asking prices. If I can afford your domain I will contact you. Please keep my email address and our correspondence confidential. Just email me your asking price. If I decide to buy I will contact you as soon as possible. I run a software development company. We provide custom software development in Linux, Windows XP, MS Access, MS SQL, PHP and Delphi for our clients in USA, Hong Kong, UK and Switzerland. Selling & buying names is not my main business. Just another way to invest free money and make some income. Kindest regards, George Bergman CEO MCSE, MCSD Swiss Software Consulting Products/Services:Billing-Direct, Cost Analysis & Revenue Assurance Software
To: David Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:55:38 +0300 Subject: Re: ***** (sent 02/01/05) Yes, I know :-) .. Wea re mostly interested in adult names. Do you sell a developed site or just domain name? If you don't have a site it's not a problem. We are mostly interested in domain names without content. Do you have an appraisal of your domain? I need an appraisal certificate before making an offer. Domain name is an investment for me. I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future. So I need to know the current market vlaue of your name. I guess your are also interested in getting this figure. Without professional appraisal it's impossible to set a right price. Please note that we don't trust free or cheap appraisals. We were burned after accepting such appraisals in the past. So we cannot accept appraisal from each and every site. I asked about reputable appraisal companies in a well-known webmaster forum http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/13477.htm Juck check this posting. My nickname there is MARTIN. After we verify an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations. How do you prefer to get paid: www.PayPal.com, www.escrow.com, check or wire?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=66660 To: David Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:38:24 +0300 (MSK) Subject: re: ***** (sent 02/01/05) I understand you, but usually sellers provide buyers with appraisals. It's a common practice. Independent appraisers are involved in any serious purchase. Earlier I had a bad experience with www.Afternic.com. I also found the following information about Afternic in the forum http://forum.icann.org/nsi2001/3AC75D7900000305.html
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03-09-2005, 01:09 PM
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| New Member Join Date: Mar 2005
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| Also received scam offer Hi: I too received a scam offer from one of the "toughguy.net" fellows-- Bergman. I didn't realize fully it was a scam until AFTER I ordered the appraisal from allfordomains.com. Fortunately I found this forum and learned my mistake. Has anyone had any experiences with allfordomains.com? Is this entity legit in itself, or is it too another scam??? Kindly advise. Thank you. |
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03-11-2005, 07:54 AM
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| NamePros Regular Join Date: Mar 2005
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03-22-2005, 01:40 PM
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| New.Net Destroyer....  Join Date: Feb 2005
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   | just received an email from him today, not yet aksing for an appraisal but asking for my asking amount here is the email: ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=66660 Hi, I'm writing regarding your domain for sale I saw about two weeks ago. Unfortunately, I was busy and could not contact you at that time. Is it still available for sale? Have you received any bids from other buyers? Please email me your asking price in US dollars. If I can afford your domain I will contact you. Please keep my email address and our correspondence confidential. I run a software development company. Selling & buying names is not my main business. Just another way to invest free money and make some income. Kindest regards, Trevor Berger CEO Chams Consulting Cost Analysis & Revenue Assurance Software. Im going to find out who this guy is. I too am sick and tired of people getting scammed by this guy. was sent from this email address: trevorb@toughguy.net I am currently trying to trace his IP address from through his email address.
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03-22-2005, 01:47 PM
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| New.Net Destroyer.... Join Date: Feb 2005
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| Ive found some useful info and I might even have his address by the end of tonight.
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