tonecas

Check the domain whois and history to see if it is a "legit" pre-release (expired) domain or a domain being sold through NameJet (which supposedly doesn't accept clients domains for sale).

In the last days and the next days to come, there are bunch of domains that are being sold by the same owner that is puting fake bids at the minimum price ($69) and then removing them at the last minute. There is tipically 3 or 5 bidders with the maximum bid at $69 and the domains are crap. So, if you see them and wonder why they have some backorders then backoff.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/warnings-and-alerts/634821-be-careful-namejet-pre-release-auctions.html

This an advice that should be followed everytime but in this case the seller is so dubious, with so many changes in the whois of his domains, and with this fake bids scam so clear that one has to wonder how NameJet is permiting such an activity.

Money talks...

regards,
tonecas

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Yes I have seen this sort of activity before where the initial bidder backs out at the last minute or doesn't put any subsequent bid on a domain. IMO if you backorder a domain you should be willing to bid beyond the minimum to obtain it (without getting in a bidding war of course). But I suppose this might partially explain all the horrible domains at Namejet & Snapnames with backorders.

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Before bidding on an aftermarket domain, one should conduct research on stats.

One should never bid a lot of money on crap domains, even ones with high rankings and backlinks, which can disappear with a P-O-O-F.

The domain name should be able stand on its own merits (which is now my golden rule with established gTLDs, where premium names are as rare as hens' teeth).

Don't be a lemming; just because your neighbor or colleague bids on something doesn't mean it's good or will be profitable.

I, too, see a lot of crappy names on all three major auction sites. I suspect that most of them end up being deleted by the registries and become available for hand reg.

Even good ones fall through the cracks. Around Christmas time, I picked up a generic one-word .com that was released on Christmas, and I picked it up on the 29th. It's not a premium name, but it's a word that suggests a clear (and potentially) profitable direction. But I would have never placed a $69.00 bid on it. At $7.19 per year, it was worth the risk, but not at $69.00.

But I'd be willing to bet that had someone placed a bid, other bidders would have jumped in, and I believe that this would have gone into to the low to mid $xxx.


????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=634821

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tonecas

ok, this is getting so "in your face" that i'm going to provide a kind of a "community service" to the less informed or new to the domain market.

the domains published here are all from the same owners. they are knowned from various names: LCOB, Nif ty Lemo de, Kirsten Lee, First In Performance, Volcano Internet Project, Finest Lemonade, LCH - CBA, Niphuad Molend, Three Amigos Online, Steph Berks, IP Admin, DNAV ASSOCS, DNA INC, F Porter, KZ Holding 1, S H Berkowitz, Super Names, LLLL Supersale, Mode L, GetYourOwn.TV, Rusty Nailor, Fnn Lemornde, KZNF, and the list goes on.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=634821

The phone numbers, emails and addresses change also, typically each 3 months, but less in the last year, and if one would believe them then they could be traced to US, Canada, Turkey, Switzerland, and other countries.

as they would not want to pay the whois privacy, and ence this false whois info, they made this little mistake and now try to cover their actions by putting privacy whois before the domains appear on NameJet so that no one connects the dots.

95% of these domains are crap but are permited to be sold by NameJet and typically have 3 to 5 bidders that will vanished when the auction begins, leaving you with the baby in your hands to care.

so, if you see domains in these conditions, bid at your own risk.

for today we have at least these ones:

adultfriendfucker.com
Byti.com (as it can be consider a CVCV.com, which is one of the hot segments, you can be safe in this one)
agsv.com
anaturalalternative.com
dallaslesbians.com
ddax.com
kfbn.com
mainz.info
mobilesmiles.com
phwt.com
selma.info
tonijames.com
tribalfood.com
wabh.com
wbaw.com
wmbo.com
wtiw.com

this ones are waiting for more bidders to come and are on some of the hot market segments so you can get away with them (CVCV.com, premium LLLL.com):

tecd.com
hodt.com
lilh.com
pdfe.com
mmho.com
dymi.com


regards,
tonecas

tonecas

for today we have at least these ones:

Wyna.com
thebuzzbox.com
sexpartnersearch.com
oerlemans.com
nbasuperstars.com
luscious.tv

regards,
tonecas

tonecas

more today:

castingfoundry.com
chineseherbalism.com
latahcounty.com
offshorejournal.com
venetianartglass.com

regards,
tonecas

WORDSWORTH

From what I understand, Fabulous.com customers can send their expiring domains to NJ and receive a % of the auction price if they sell. Unscrupulous owners could theoretically place fake backorders and/or shill bids at auction via duplicate/friend accounts to draw extra attention to their domains and pump up the price.

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tonecas

i think you are right on the second part wordsworth
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=634821

they could send through Fabulous but the domains are also registered with Enom which doesn't have that option for what i know.

in any case, the situation is so blatant that it is very obvious the scheme that's is taking place.

regards,
tonecas

---------- Post added at 11:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:28 PM ----------

incredible how this is taking place... how far can you go to get a few bucks?...

now many domains have 2 bids. it's a little twist to the game.

here is the list for today. one can almost blindly spot them. the majority of domains that are not expired and are being listed nowdays at namejet come from the same source...

arizonarental.net
aboutwebcams.com
bellmancart.com
caboluxuryrental.com
cottontwine.com
cueguide.com
dallasrental.net
denverrental.net
discountadventuretravel.com
gaypridestickers.com
indianarental.net
islanda.net
klamath-falls.com
librosynovelas.com
macbank.com
machinetoolsupply.com
missourirental.net
newmexicoapartments.net
oklahomaapartments.net
oklahomarental.net
parishiltonsunglasses.com
querule.com
tamparental.net
virginiarentals.net
washingtonrental.net


regards,
tonecas

mrjohn

Frankly buying dropped domains is a hell of a lot easier.

Tenk

yep fell trap to this

have about 9 worth less domains which costed me around 630 usd

have learned form my mistakes

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tonecas

if you don't mind me saying Tenk, i think you should argue with NameJet about this.

In theory one should only put a backorder on a domain if intends to buy it, but in practice many people don't do that and for various reasons: to get access to the final sell price; when there is interest by other bidders and one has not research the domain but can bid on it afterwards; etc.

The question here is not the (legal) reason for puting or not a bid. It is the blatant scam that is being permitted by NameJet.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=634821

NameJet lets these scammers put their crapy domains for sale, which not only lowers the quality of the domains on auction and goes aggainst the mambo jambo from NameJet only listing premium domains from clients, but most of all permits fake bids, which is a clear breach of the the marketplace rules.


For today we have:

aadtv.com
adultvibrations.com
aiug.com
akcpug.com
alabamasingles.net
allamateurpost.com
americanlibertyuniversity.com
amherstny.net
birchbay.org
broadvoce.com
dunsmuir.tv


regards,
Tonecas

HeyNow

"These ones" is awful grammar. It's a common mistake, but it's just awful grammar. The correct statement would be: "For today we have these:"

tonecas

thank you for your note HeyNow.

regards,
tonecas

tonecas

for today we have at least these:

autorental.info
bodybuildingsups.com
cedarcounty.com
homeenergysavers.net
otsv.com
ubmt.com
vapx.com

regards,
tonecas

tonecas

for today:

cancertips.net
canal43.tv
cashloanpros.com
cashregistersupply.com
charitablegifts.net
cdcy.com
cauu.com
ctutorial.com
graysharborcounty.org
igrw.com
independentinvestmentresearch.com
noon3.org
noon10.org
silverdealers.biz
thermoplasticelastomer.com
tnya.com
tucsontrips.com
visitwaldport.com
wellnessfacilities.com
yeson7.org
yesonc.org

regards,
tonecas

Mokum

I agree that something is going on, but for example cedarcountry.com & macbank.com are worth the 60 dollar....
Both are (looking at the whois) not pending delete names
Mokum

Ultra

domains that aren't pending delete (aren't expired) are being listed at namejet with fake bids?

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tonecas

yes, some have value. that's why i said that about 95% of the domains are crap...

it's "cedarcounty.com" that was listed and "macbank.com" only expires on Mar10.

in any case that is not the issue. even if 100% of the domains were valued it is nonethless a breach of market rules. if NameJet want's to help a few buddies sell their portfolios then at least list them with no bids in the first page for a few days, like i've seen it done before.

letting people make fake bids to simulate interest is very lame.

regards,
tonecas

---------- Post added at 11:36 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:34 AM ----------

yes Ultra, that's exactly what's going on.

tonecas

for today we have:

ballgames.tv
AmerikkKa.com
babyadoption.tv
businesslaw.info
dannyrelief.com
dcmortgage.net
dctimes.net
diningandlodging.com
dragonboats.net
drycleaning.tv
dwatv.com
editor-publisher.com
eldercare.info
eroticland.net
erotikdreams.com
escottsdale.net
estateliquidations.biz
facilities4rent.com
facilities4sale.com
facilitiesforsale.com
federalreserve.info
huntingdonshire.tv
investwithconfidence.com
multicolorlight.com (seems to have expired. didn't find any byers previously...)
perception.info
politika.info
saturnaisland.org
siouxcityweekly.com
sourcing.info
visualarts.info
worldhunger.tv
www411.org


it's a heck of a dump and at $69 a piece, minus NameJet comission, it is still a good return on a (stupid) buying spree.


by the way, how is this domain listed? it is free to reg...

freelivemusic.tv

the domains at NameJet get funnier every day..
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=634821

regards,
tonecas

tonecas

a few more today:

hbdd.com
demarcos.com
eastbaychannel.com
haew.com
hardcore-video.com
hoaw.com
hollywoodstarstour.com

regards,
tonecas

tonecas

just doing some quick scans in the last two days and it seems the scam has stopped.

it appears that some decency still exists...

regards,
tonecas

tonecas

it seems i spoken too soon... there is no shame whatsoever and until this get to the front pages the scam will go on.

for today only this, at least on a quick check:

wagering.info

but there more to come.

regards,
tonecas

tonecas

this is getting better and better!

these domains were on pre-release, expired, during 3 days, all from the same owner:

cleanenergies.net
phonesearching.com
greenenergies.net
CleanerPower.net

today we have:
helpfirst.com

that was on pre-release yesterday and has this interesting thing:

registry info:
Creation Date: 26-jan-2000
Expiration Date: 26-jan-2011

registrar info:
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Renewal or Deletion, Pending Domain pendingrenewalordeletion@networksolutions.com
Namesecure Inc.
13861 Sunrise Valley Drive
Herndon, VA 20171
US
703-668-4600
Record expires on 03-Jul-2009.

finally, we seem to have a new scam, ups, new method of listing domains on NameJet.
If you bid on these now, let me know after if you suddenly got your bid moved to the first place:

careerd.com
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=634821
3689.net
chajei.com
catalogodecarros.com
manuniversity.com
nitrostat.com
pesent.com
zonagamer.net

thank you.

regards,
tonecas

tonecas

this is getting disgusting...

if you see domains from Fabulous, expired, with DNS pointing to Above or Sedo and with 3 backorders then be careful. Those bids might disappear
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=634821

the domains all come from the same owner so i would be interested to know if he is on this scam boat...

jehov.com (3)
eiropasapavi.com (3)
NetcomPeru.com (3)
qRoxy.info (3)
telefonointernet.net (3)
VallesDemaria.com (3)
wigy.org (3)
yroxy.info (3)

very, very sad...

regards,
tonecas

PS: by the way, helpfirst.com is still on pending release. the deadline for backordering keeps moving every day.

play

Bids dissapered last few minutes, now I'm the one that HAS to buy it.

How do they do it?

Name expired last month, difficult to now if bids will be retracted.

How many bids is OK to participate?

If I found this post hours earlier would not have acted.

Thanks for sharing experiences.