Warning > DMG.com: Snapnames Auction

Federer · 12-17-2008, 01:37 AM

If you are participating in the above auction, I would strongly advice you to stop bidding immediately. I have inside information on a legal entity who will be snatching this domain from the winning bidder. They represent DMG Vertriebs Und Service GmbH, DMG Europe Holding GmbH and DMG Gildemeister.

DMG Gildmeister is the worldwide owner of the trademark DMG including all common law rights and the German and U.S. trademark registrations.

PM or email me for further information.

1901gt · 12-17-2008, 01:56 AM

If they have the trademark, then why didn't they get the domain earlier?

Charley · 12-17-2008, 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by Federer

I have inside information on a legal entity who will be snatching this domain from the winning bidder.

Any source ?

Originally Posted by Federer

PM or email me for further information.

Why wouldn't this be disclosed to the public. I think that's the way to go.

Pred · 12-17-2008, 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by Federer

If you are participating in the above auction, I would strongly advice you to stop bidding immediately. I have inside information on a legal entity who will be snatching this domain from the winning bidder. They represent DMG Vertriebs Und Service GmbH, DMG Europe Holding GmbH and DMG Gildemeister.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/warnings-and-alerts/543290-warning-dmg-com-snapnames-auction.html

DMG Gildmeister is the worldwide owner of the trademark DMG including all common law rights and the German and U.S. trademark registrations.

PM or email me for further information.

did you know about their intentions as you approached them about them buying before winning the name, thus alerting them?

i ask, as i know you have made sales before lining up a buyer before winning a drop. its cool to do, but can go wrong, if thats what happened here

btw, unless snap bottle it, it would have to go to wipo and if you have a business model and plan for the name and dont park, and wipo play fair, which they do sometimes, sometimes not, then you 'should' win

however appreciate heads up as most wont want hassle

Charley · 12-17-2008, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by Pred

did you know about their intentions as you approached them about them buying before winning the name, thus alerting them?

Yea, I'd like to hear out this as well.

Federer · 12-17-2008, 02:26 AM

Ok, for those who are interested in the legal document I have, send me an email to biggs.immo@bluewin.ch and you can make you own mind up as to weather you would like to continue bidding - I'll email you the letter.

I am in the auction and will no longer be bidding. I have also informed the current leading bidder (a friend of mine) and he will not be purchasing the domain either.

Yes, you can take the 'risk' and snap up this domain. But seeing as I had received this information from the company who will be filing the complaint, just thought it would be useful and correct to share with you guys.

Charley · 12-17-2008, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by Federer

I'll email you the letter.

Can you copy & paste the letter here ?

Federer · 12-17-2008, 02:32 AM

Shoot me an email and you'll get the document within 1 minute.

*euroflash* · 12-17-2008, 03:03 AM

Thanks for the warning.

What about bae.com, which may be a NJ soon. Current owner giant British Aerospace, which is now BAE Systems at baesystems.com. Would you guys dare bid on this one or too risky?

wussadotcom · 12-17-2008, 05:17 AM

Why did they give you the letter. I mean the one @ company who wants to file the dispute.

Federer · 12-17-2008, 05:23 AM

Their lawyers sent me the letter as a clear warning. They believed that I owned the domain name.

It was a misunderstanding. I had simply approached them to see if there would be any interest for DMG as, at the first drop auction, I was extremely close to becoming the new owner. For some reason, the winning bidder didn't end up paying the funds (this leads me to believe that maybe he too was contacted upon the closing of the auction).

DomainTalker · 12-17-2008, 05:30 AM

Appreciate the heads up, Fed...

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wussadotcom · 12-17-2008, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by Federer

Their lawyers sent me the letter as a clear warning. They believed that I owned the domain name.

It was a misunderstanding. I had simply approached them to see if there would be any interest for DMG as, at the first drop auction, I was extremely close to becoming the new owner. For some reason, the winning bidder didn't end up paying the funds (this leads me to believe that maybe he too was contacted upon the closing of the auction).

scary

~ though you can easily see that if its true the comp is trying to interfere with the auction they are trying to make people feel afraid to bid plus with you spreading it all around (no hard feelings

)
Its not easy to take someone domains away, not a simple process. It would be easier for them to bid it but with a low amount.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=543290
So,I know its a small change for you federer compared to your US open winnings, if you would be willing to go and bid and win this domain then it will open people's eyes about us

1901gt · 12-17-2008, 05:57 AM

I still believe they don't deserve to get the domain.

Federer · 12-17-2008, 05:59 AM

We all agree with you there.

gingeman · 12-17-2008, 06:05 AM

Just because they intend to make a claim on the domain does not mean they will win, there are many factors which must be satisfied for this to happen. Seeing as they have the opportunity like everyone else to aquire this name through the auction (they are clearlyaware of it) I would have thought that could be used as evidence of reverse-hijacking anyhow...
but thanks for the heads up Fed, its good to look out for each other.

Charley · 12-17-2008, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by TheLegendaryJP

Im sorry but what lead them to believe it was you who owned the domain was in actuality you pretending to own something you did not. What you did do was either enforce or directly cause a company ( drop auction ) to lose funds and potentially a winning bidder to lose a name. I have seen this BS in the past. It is a disgusting practice and attempted by those who do not have the funds to participate in a proper manner and common decency.

Yea I support you here. I knew this was the case from his first post in the thread. I persuaded him to post the facts here to so that everyone can see, it's just not genuine. And he didn't.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=543290

Originally Posted by TheLegendaryJP

I hope the drop auction see's your post, bans your account and sues you. What you did was WRONG! Be ashamed of yourself and lucky you havent been banned here for screwing with members money and drop company profits, add to that you are clearly someone without common sense based solely on the fact you admit this shameful act openly.

Yes, you're totally RIGHT

Originally Posted by TheLegendaryJP

Youre scum.

Spade · 12-17-2008, 06:52 AM

Am I the only one who questions the legal right of this company to assume ownership of a LLL.com ?

Frankly, I can think of several potential acronyms and just a quick check on Google shows several companies and institutions that use DMG in their business name. Unless you were planning on infringing on someones Mark - why would you fear purchasing this domain name?

bmugford · 12-17-2008, 07:00 AM

They can file a dispute if they want, anyone can. However it takes a lot more than just filing a dispute to get the domain. They have no legal right unless they can show TM infringement and bad faith.

-REECE- · 12-17-2008, 07:04 AM

I think it would be a pretty easy to prove bad faith if Federer were to win it..

Originally Posted by bmugford

They can file a dispute if they want, anyone can. However it takes a lot more than just filing a dispute to get the domain. They have no legal right unless they can show TM infringement and bad faith.

Cyberian · 12-17-2008, 07:05 AM

Moved to W&A

Spade · 12-17-2008, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by -REECE-

I think it would be a pretty easy to prove bad faith if Federer were to win it..

Bingo. I think the problem is exactly as pointed out earlier. There was bad faith, but only on the part of Federer to "presell" this domain name. However, I do have a feeling that he stuck his hand in a hornets nest, and regardless of who wins, will be in store for a headache.

Pred · 12-17-2008, 07:09 AM

you may be needing this guys

Federer · 12-17-2008, 07:37 AM

I should have just kept low profile until landing the domain, set up a generic static page & made a list of TM DMG Owners NOT to contact.
I am one of the newest domainers on the block with TONS of learning to do and mistakes NOT to make. This one (...) will not be made again.

d0main · 12-17-2008, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Biggs (DNF) aka Federer (NP),

With all due respect you have done this type of thing before - just two months ago.

You had agreed to sell an LLL.com to me ~ you then came back and said you weren't able to follow through.

Your exact words: "Sorry, I have received a MASSIVE offer this morning (end user 3-domain package deal"

So, this is not an isolated incident. You were shopping the name while negotiating with me. If they bite you sell to them, if they don't then I'm stuck buying a compromised name because you've notified all possible TM holders already that it is being sold.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=543290

I put you on my 'do not buy from' list at the time but should have done the stewardly thing and called you out ~ just isn't my style. Take all those profits you are boasting and peddle yourself somewhere else.

Someone isn't too happy with federer...

12-17-2008, 01:37 AM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
Federer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,358	Warning > DMG.com: Snapnames Auction If you are participating in the above auction, I would strongly advice you to stop bidding immediately. I have inside information on a legal entity who will be snatching this domain from the winning bidder. They represent DMG Vertriebs Und Service GmbH, DMG Europe Holding GmbH and DMG Gildemeister. DMG Gildmeister is the worldwide owner of the trademark DMG including all common law rights and the German and U.S. trademark registrations. PM or email me for further information. __________________ - KEY DOMAINS -

12-17-2008, 02:26 AM	THREAD STARTER #6 (permalink)
Federer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,358	Ok, for those who are interested in the legal document I have, send me an email to biggs.immo@bluewin.ch and you can make you own mind up as to weather you would like to continue bidding - I'll email you the letter. I am in the auction and will no longer be bidding. I have also informed the current leading bidder (a friend of mine) and he will not be purchasing the domain either. Yes, you can take the 'risk' and snap up this domain. But seeing as I had received this information from the company who will be filing the complaint, just thought it would be useful and correct to share with you guys. __________________ - KEY DOMAINS -

12-17-2008, 02:32 AM	THREAD STARTER #8 (permalink)
Federer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,358	Shoot me an email and you'll get the document within 1 minute. __________________ - KEY DOMAINS -

12-17-2008, 05:17 AM	#10 (permalink)
wussadotcom Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,588 Follow @flippasecret	Why did they give you the letter. I mean the one @ company who wants to file the dispute. __________________ [HOT!] \| Laman Web Cinta I recommend Janine for high quality designs!! FLIPPA

12-17-2008, 05:23 AM	THREAD STARTER #11 (permalink)
Federer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,358	Their lawyers sent me the letter as a clear warning. They believed that I owned the domain name. It was a misunderstanding. I had simply approached them to see if there would be any interest for DMG as, at the first drop auction, I was extremely close to becoming the new owner. For some reason, the winning bidder didn't end up paying the funds (this leads me to believe that maybe he too was contacted upon the closing of the auction). __________________ - KEY DOMAINS -

12-17-2008, 01:56 AM	#2 (permalink)
1901gt Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,830 Follow @mdnoorhadi	If they have the trademark, then why didn't they get the domain earlier?

12-17-2008, 03:03 AM	#9 (permalink)
euroflash NamePros Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 767	Thanks for the warning. What about bae.com, which may be a NJ soon. Current owner giant British Aerospace, which is now BAE Systems at baesystems.com. Would you guys dare bid on this one or too risky?

12-17-2008, 05:30 AM	#12 (permalink)
DomainTalker Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: http://ISSUES.COM Posts: 1,126	Appreciate the heads up, Fed... . __________________ NewMediaFrontiers.com® - ChatBox.com - Movie.info - Phone.me M.biz - Hypnotherapist.com - AJ.net - YT.net - iFlyDrive.com - iSofa.com

12-17-2008, 05:57 AM	#14 (permalink)
1901gt Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,830 Follow @mdnoorhadi	I still believe they don't deserve to get the domain.

12-17-2008, 05:59 AM	THREAD STARTER #15 (permalink)
Federer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,358	We all agree with you there. __________________ - KEY DOMAINS -

12-17-2008, 06:05 AM	#16 (permalink)
gingeman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Classified Posts: 2,668	Just because they intend to make a claim on the domain does not mean they will win, there are many factors which must be satisfied for this to happen. Seeing as they have the opportunity like everyone else to aquire this name through the auction (they are clearlyaware of it) I would have thought that could be used as evidence of reverse-hijacking anyhow... but thanks for the heads up Fed, its good to look out for each other. __________________ Poker Vids 3 Character domain! Subscribe to my newsletter! Accurate Name Domains For Sale DomainingLinks.com

12-17-2008, 06:52 AM	#18 (permalink)
Spade NamePros Expert Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 7,848	Am I the only one who questions the legal right of this company to assume ownership of a LLL.com ? Frankly, I can think of several potential acronyms and just a quick check on Google shows several companies and institutions that use DMG in their business name. Unless you were planning on infringing on someones Mark - why would you fear purchasing this domain name? __________________ Read my Blog! NameBio.com - Search The Domain Sales Index Buying LLLL.com's ending in "CA"

12-17-2008, 07:00 AM	#19 (permalink)
bmugford www.DataCube.com Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 5,838	They can file a dispute if they want, anyone can. However it takes a lot more than just filing a dispute to get the domain. They have no legal right unless they can show TM infringement and bad faith. __________________ DataCube.com - Buy and Sell Premium Domains

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Cyberian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Emerald Triangle Posts: 4,592	Moved to W&A __________________ Remember who your loyalties are divided between, and choose for the right reasons who deserves them.

12-17-2008, 07:09 AM	#23 (permalink)
Pred Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 6,688	you may be needing this guys

12-17-2008, 07:37 AM	THREAD STARTER #24 (permalink)
Federer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,358	I should have just kept low profile until landing the domain, set up a generic static page & made a list of TM DMG Owners NOT to contact. I am one of the newest domainers on the block with TONS of learning to do and mistakes NOT to make. This one (...) will not be made again. __________________ - KEY DOMAINS -

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