Michael Mann Scammed me out of $1000

kev · 04-08-2008, 10:55 AM

This is an absolute nightmare. Seems Ive been scammed again.

Details of Scammer

Michael Mann

Web Media Projects, Inc.,
440 E Pass Rd. Suite B
Gulfport, MS. 39507 USA

Website: www.webmediaprojects.com

Email: info@webmediaprojects.com

Tel: 601-213-0881
Toll-free: 866-496-2278
Fax: 601-326-2379

MSN: raider@hot-shot.com
PayPal: raider@hot-shot.com
His contact number: 228-216-6707

DigitalPoint Username : c0l0rad0
GetaFreelancer Username : c0l0rad0

I agreed a price of $3,000 for the development of a clone of King.com. He said that i could pay it in 3 stages at $1k each. This was back in October 2007 and he said it would take 2-3 months to complete. So i set deadline after deadline after deadline and he missed 11 in total and I started to get concerned. He maintained it was due to the complexity of the site and limited staff so i believed him. But when he missed the latest deadline, I sent an email asking where it was and he replied with:

then i searched on the web about him and came across this

http://www.thesqueakywheel.com/compl...laint19828.cfm
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/warnings-and-alerts/455069-michael-mann-scammed-me-out-1000-a.html
http://www.thesqueakywheel.com/compl...laint22448.cfm

so i questioned him on it and asked for a complete refund and he replied with

Can people on NP help me get my money back as this is a lot of money to a student.

Are the contact details listed above seem correct to you?

Thanks guys

italiandragon · 04-08-2008, 10:57 AM

did not you learn the lesson with the past one? Still using Digital Point???

kev · 04-08-2008, 10:58 AM

No this wasnt on DP. I just posted his DP account to identify him further.

This was through GetaFreelancer.com

italiandragon · 04-08-2008, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by kev

No this wasnt on DP. I just posted his DP account to identify him further.

This was through GetaFreelancer.com

ouch..

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=455069
Sorry Kev...I am unable to help you.

It just shows again why people use Escrow services.

kev · 04-08-2008, 11:12 AM

I just cant seem to get a get a break at the moment

Seems i cant trust anyone

trekker · 04-08-2008, 12:01 PM

You probably can get a clone of that site for $250 by Indian kids at GetaFreelancer.com. There also plenty of kids in SF who could do it for much less

evertonian7uk · 04-08-2008, 01:59 PM

How did you pay the $1K deposits??

evertonian7uk · 04-08-2008, 02:09 PM

OP, how did you pay him???

kev · 04-08-2008, 02:18 PM

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/...off0324549.htm

Ive written a rip-off report (also explains it in a bit more detail) to go along with the many others about him.

I paid via PayPal.

Originally Posted by trekker

You probably can get a clone of that site for $250 by Indian kids at GetaFreelancer.com. There also plenty of kids in SF who could do it for much less

I ordered an affiliate system and custom games to go along with it, so I got a good deal (at the time..).

bonzer · 04-08-2008, 03:14 PM

We had a big problem with a company quite a while back same kind of thing
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=455069

Quote:

http://www.namepros.com/warnings-and...cammed-us.html

We spent time going everywhere we could we also contacted there local press to which our surprise they covered it on there PR7(at the time) News Homepage.

One thing I can say to you is don't give up and do all you can.
Are they a big company ? If so contact there local press ...

We also made many many press releases

hope this helps...

kev · 04-08-2008, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by bonzer

We had a big problem with a company quite a while back same kind of thing

We spent time going everywhere we could we also contacted there local press to which our surprise they covered it on there PR7(at the time) News Homepage.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=455069

One thing I can say to you is don't give up and do all you can.
Are they a big company ? If so contact there local press ...

We also made many many press releases

hope this helps...

Thanks Bonzer

Thats a good idea

Zubair1 · 04-08-2008, 03:44 PM

WoW

Sorry to hear about your loss Kevin

That sure is alot of many

The price for such a script is amazingly high / over-priced!

I could've done that for you for only maybe around $300-500.

These guys are just giving a bad name to all the other free-lancers out there like us

I hope he gets whats coming to him

kev · 04-08-2008, 04:46 PM

He seems to have changed his tune and says he will have a beta by tuesday next week. whether he does it or not is another matter, but i think the idea of a lawsuit doesnt agree with him

notlikeyou · 04-08-2008, 04:55 PM

Sorry to hear it, but hopefully things will turn around.

sdsinc · 04-08-2008, 05:02 PM

A simple google search on their domain name yields some bad results, also they have an account at scriptlance
https://www.scriptlance.com/cgi-bin/....cgi?p=go2pass

Good luck

Dreads · 04-08-2008, 06:24 PM

The noob just got owned

https://www.scriptlance.com/cgi-bin/...i?w=tshirtguru <
I would contact him, and then team up with him, as he seems to be set, and you would just make the court case much easier on your side

**-Nick-** · 04-17-2008, 10:33 PM

Do you know where he lives? Do you have friends in that area? Give him a little visit.

Because I don't think paypal can refund you now.

weblord · 04-17-2008, 10:40 PM

don't get paranoia, there are people that you can trust to do business with, hence this character is not on namepros, he won't last an hour here.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=455069

Originally Posted by kev

I just cant seem to get a get a break at the moment

Seems i cant trust anyone

**-Nick-** · 04-17-2008, 10:47 PM

You can always trust a person who reputation and ethics are much bigger then the amount you are paying him as advance.

The guys who want to run away with money doesn't have any ethics and they don't have hard rules in their life.

If he had refunded you the 1K then I think he would have found lots of otherways to make more money but with keeping his reputation intact.

And if he knew he cannot complete this project then he should not have taken it in first place.

That is why I laugh and roll on the floor when someone tells me he is a programmer. Because the basic rules of commercial programming is to deliver what you have promised. Not just give it a try and if it hits then money is yours stuff.

Programmer programs even if he is ill.
Programmer programs even if there are 1000 drums beating on his head.
Programmer is tense about his deadline.
Programmer is not sacrificing the quality of the project to make it easier for himself.
Programmer doesn't wants to refund the money, but wants to finish the work at hand.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=455069
Programmer should be proud of his talents and his knowledge.

Any other kind of programmers you find then they are not the real ones.

SearchGuru1 · 04-21-2008, 04:00 AM

Some of those freelance sites CAN be trusted, but for me personally? It doesnt matter who I buy what from or who is offering me a service, I always check up on them. A little research will go a long way... Believe me. Not to sound like a stalker, but the easiest way to check someone out, obviously is A) if its on a forum of some sort, check their ratings, go to ANY negative comments they got and read every single one of them. Secondly I dunno about you, but when I trust my gut im %99.9 right. So if you can trust your instincts, go with them. And lastly (this WILL sound stalkery lmao) goto google. If they have a unique user name AKA SearchGuru1 you can find any activity they have been doing online. Oh I know. Ive ALMOST done deals with a few people that SEEMED trustworthy and then I had an inkling I should "check them out", turns out they dont have very good track records.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=455069

Just a thought.... considering you said you always get screwed over. Play safe. And italiandragon is def correct.. ALWAYS do escrow. Thats your safest bet. Even if theres an escrow fee of some sort? Wouldnt you rather pay the fee, then pay someone X amount of dollars, only to find out they scammed you and theres really nothing you can do about it?

Hehe ^^^ thats not paranoia. Just.. experience.

kev · 04-23-2008, 04:22 PM

Gave him a second chance - he didnt deliver, so Ive arranged an appointment with the Fraud Squad in my home town to bring charges. His ex-employees are backing me up. When I told him of this he said...

Charming man...

SearchGuru1 · 04-23-2008, 04:32 PM

Wow thats pretty sick the way hes talking to you. Its amazing a lot of people out there DO talk to people like that guy is talking to you.. and even do worse things. He probably didnt think you would paste that onto a major forum FOR all to SEE. Well, you did. And hopefully now when ANYONE reads this thread they WONT give any business to this guy.

Hey a mistake is a mistake. But this guy screwed you over with out a care, and obviously isint going to apologize or be a professional about it. Even if he was DEFENSIVE about what you were claiming? He didnt have a right to say the things he said. I find it to be incredibly insulting and baffling when people that are considered professionals " " talk to people however they want because they think they are above the law. Obviously this guy thinks EXACTLY that.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=455069

Hope you get things figured out and everything works out in your favor Kev

wisedude · 04-23-2008, 05:40 PM

PLEASE take this jerk to court

bk2070 · 04-23-2008, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by wisedude

PLEASE take this jerk to court

Amen to that, sue every last penny out of him.

squarepie · 04-23-2008, 06:40 PM

His counter indicates only roughly 600 visits to his cheaply made cookie-cutter site. I do not know what kind of help the Mississippi court system can provide. It is a good old boy society there-a-bouts. Gulfport does have a Better Business Bureau, so make a report there. Get in touch with the local media including nearby New Orleans TV stations and possibly some pressure will build to have him investigated. That area is undergoing much rebuilding since Hurricane Katrina with many people being burned by dishonest cheating building contractors etc. People living there would not be pleased to realize this scammer operates in their midst. Warn his neighbors and include his photo so he can't hide behind a new company name. Your effort can help to protect innocents and deter others from such behavior.

04-08-2008, 10:55 AM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
kev KevinMacpherson.co.uk Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 3,915	Michael Mann Scammed me out of $1000 This is an absolute nightmare. Seems Ive been scammed again. Details of Scammer Michael Mann Web Media Projects, Inc., 440 E Pass Rd. Suite B Gulfport, MS. 39507 USA Website: www.webmediaprojects.com Email: info@webmediaprojects.com Tel: 601-213-0881 Toll-free: 866-496-2278 Fax: 601-326-2379 MSN: raider@hot-shot.com PayPal: raider@hot-shot.com His contact number: 228-216-6707 DigitalPoint Username : c0l0rad0 GetaFreelancer Username : c0l0rad0 I agreed a price of $3,000 for the development of a clone of King.com. He said that i could pay it in 3 stages at $1k each. This was back in October 2007 and he said it would take 2-3 months to complete. So i set deadline after deadline after deadline and he missed 11 in total and I started to get concerned. He maintained it was due to the complexity of the site and limited staff so i believed him. But when he missed the latest deadline, I sent an email asking where it was and he replied with: then i searched on the web about him and came across this http://www.thesqueakywheel.com/compl...laint19828.cfm ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/warnings-and-alerts/455069-michael-mann-scammed-me-out-1000-a.html http://www.thesqueakywheel.com/compl...laint22448.cfm so i questioned him on it and asked for a complete refund and he replied with Can people on NP help me get my money back as this is a lot of money to a student. Are the contact details listed above seem correct to you? Thanks guys __________________ ★ World's Largest One Letter Domain Portfolio for sale ★ Last edited by mis_chiff; 04-07-2010 at 11:28 AM. Reason: images removed

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04-08-2008, 10:58 AM	THREAD STARTER #3 (permalink)
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04-08-2008, 12:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
trekker Account Closed Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 63	job You probably can get a clone of that site for $250 by Indian kids at GetaFreelancer.com. There also plenty of kids in SF who could do it for much less

04-08-2008, 01:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
evertonian7uk NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 635	How did you pay the $1K deposits??

04-08-2008, 02:09 PM	#8 (permalink)
evertonian7uk NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 635	OP, how did you pay him??? Last edited by robertjr; 04-08-2008 at 02:28 PM. Reason: Remove quote

04-08-2008, 03:44 PM	#12 (permalink)
Zubair1 NamePros Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 912	WoW Sorry to hear about your loss Kevin That sure is alot of many The price for such a script is amazingly high / over-priced! I could've done that for you for only maybe around $300-500. These guys are just giving a bad name to all the other free-lancers out there like us I hope he gets whats coming to him __________________ Live Support : Zubair11 [at] hotmail.com Free SEO Directory! \|\| Free Online TV \|\| Tech Blog Web Design & Web Development Services \|\| Reliable Web Hosting

04-08-2008, 04:46 PM	THREAD STARTER #13 (permalink)
kev KevinMacpherson.co.uk Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 3,915	He seems to have changed his tune and says he will have a beta by tuesday next week. whether he does it or not is another matter, but i think the idea of a lawsuit doesnt agree with him __________________ ★ World's Largest One Letter Domain Portfolio for sale ★

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04-08-2008, 05:02 PM	#15 (permalink)
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04-08-2008, 06:24 PM	#16 (permalink)
Dreads NamePros Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 197	The noob just got owned https://www.scriptlance.com/cgi-bin/...i?w=tshirtguru < I would contact him, and then team up with him, as he seems to be set, and you would just make the court case much easier on your side __________________ Free Online Article Rewrite Tool \| Kilobyte Solar Energy \| Gaming, Music and Webmaster Community

04-17-2008, 10:33 PM	#17 (permalink)
-Nick- I'll do it Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: India Posts: 6,927 Follow @keralpatel	Do you know where he lives? Do you have friends in that area? Give him a little visit. Because I don't think paypal can refund you now. __________________ Delq\|Fhur\|Kegh\|Vhir\|Juhy\|Ruuz\|Jyos\|Jupt\|Vhek Webmaster Blog \| Software Downloads Makeup & Beauty Tips \| Sponsor Ads

04-17-2008, 10:47 PM	#19 (permalink)
-Nick- I'll do it Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: India Posts: 6,927 Follow @keralpatel	You can always trust a person who reputation and ethics are much bigger then the amount you are paying him as advance. The guys who want to run away with money doesn't have any ethics and they don't have hard rules in their life. If he had refunded you the 1K then I think he would have found lots of otherways to make more money but with keeping his reputation intact. And if he knew he cannot complete this project then he should not have taken it in first place. That is why I laugh and roll on the floor when someone tells me he is a programmer. Because the basic rules of commercial programming is to deliver what you have promised. Not just give it a try and if it hits then money is yours stuff. Programmer programs even if he is ill. Programmer programs even if there are 1000 drums beating on his head. Programmer is tense about his deadline. Programmer is not sacrificing the quality of the project to make it easier for himself. Programmer doesn't wants to refund the money, but wants to finish the work at hand. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=455069 Programmer should be proud of his talents and his knowledge. Any other kind of programmers you find then they are not the real ones. __________________ Delq\|Fhur\|Kegh\|Vhir\|Juhy\|Ruuz\|Jyos\|Jupt\|Vhek Webmaster Blog \| Software Downloads Makeup & Beauty Tips \| Sponsor Ads

04-21-2008, 04:00 AM	#20 (permalink)
SearchGuru1 NamePros Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Wexford, PA Posts: 292 Follow @kristiambrose	Some of those freelance sites CAN be trusted, but for me personally? It doesnt matter who I buy what from or who is offering me a service, I always check up on them. A little research will go a long way... Believe me. Not to sound like a stalker, but the easiest way to check someone out, obviously is A) if its on a forum of some sort, check their ratings, go to ANY negative comments they got and read every single one of them. Secondly I dunno about you, but when I trust my gut im %99.9 right. So if you can trust your instincts, go with them. And lastly (this WILL sound stalkery lmao) goto google. If they have a unique user name AKA SearchGuru1 you can find any activity they have been doing online. Oh I know. Ive ALMOST done deals with a few people that SEEMED trustworthy and then I had an inkling I should "check them out", turns out they dont have very good track records. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=455069 Just a thought.... considering you said you always get screwed over. Play safe. And italiandragon is def correct.. ALWAYS do escrow. Thats your safest bet. Even if theres an escrow fee of some sort? Wouldnt you rather pay the fee, then pay someone X amount of dollars, only to find out they scammed you and theres really nothing you can do about it? Hehe ^^^ thats not paranoia. Just.. experience. __________________ I have a few different content and marketing options available, please PM me!

04-23-2008, 05:40 PM	#23 (permalink)
wisedude NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 531	PLEASE take this jerk to court __________________ :$: Save your money :$: DomainCoupons.com :$: Save your money :$: Top SEO Directory Graphics Lounge Spanish Olive Oil

04-23-2008, 04:22 PM	THREAD STARTER #21 (permalink)
kev KevinMacpherson.co.uk Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 3,915	Gave him a second chance - he didnt deliver, so Ive arranged an appointment with the Fraud Squad in my home town to bring charges. His ex-employees are backing me up. When I told him of this he said... Charming man... __________________ ★ World's Largest One Letter Domain Portfolio for sale ★ Last edited by mis_chiff; 04-07-2010 at 11:29 AM. Reason: removed images

04-23-2008, 04:32 PM	#22 (permalink)
SearchGuru1 NamePros Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Wexford, PA Posts: 292 Follow @kristiambrose	Wow thats pretty sick the way hes talking to you. Its amazing a lot of people out there DO talk to people like that guy is talking to you.. and even do worse things. He probably didnt think you would paste that onto a major forum FOR all to SEE. Well, you did. And hopefully now when ANYONE reads this thread they WONT give any business to this guy. Hey a mistake is a mistake. But this guy screwed you over with out a care, and obviously isint going to apologize or be a professional about it. Even if he was DEFENSIVE about what you were claiming? He didnt have a right to say the things he said. I find it to be incredibly insulting and baffling when people that are considered professionals " " talk to people however they want because they think they are above the law. Obviously this guy thinks EXACTLY that. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=455069 Hope you get things figured out and everything works out in your favor Kev __________________ I have a few different content and marketing options available, please PM me!

04-23-2008, 06:40 PM	#25 (permalink)
squarepie NamePros Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 29	His counter indicates only roughly 600 visits to his cheaply made cookie-cutter site. I do not know what kind of help the Mississippi court system can provide. It is a good old boy society there-a-bouts. Gulfport does have a Better Business Bureau, so make a report there. Get in touch with the local media including nearby New Orleans TV stations and possibly some pressure will build to have him investigated. That area is undergoing much rebuilding since Hurricane Katrina with many people being burned by dishonest cheating building contractors etc. People living there would not be pleased to realize this scammer operates in their midst. Warn his neighbors and include his photo so he can't hide behind a new company name. Your effort can help to protect innocents and deter others from such behavior.

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