ebay, You're falling apart.....

Matthew. · 03-02-2007, 10:57 AM

OK so i was browsing through the cars section on ebay just now, and i noticed around 7 listings with what can only be described as explicit images as their gallery image.

Naturally i clicked on one of them out of interest to see what someone had planned to achieve by doing this, when i was greeted with a login screen...this is normal for ebay right? Periodic logins? Nooo.

By chance i noticed the address bar above had "50megs.com" in, somehow someone has found a way to redirect an ebay listing to another site...

Another thing while we're on ebay (which i expect is related to this) is that people have started adding fake "email this address for BIN" noticed under certain listings, be wary of these as they are NOT added by the listing creator.

Just some things to look out for.

Matt

cyberoptik · 03-02-2007, 11:02 AM

Thanks for the input, I'll keep an eye out for those too

. Exploitations like this happen with any site, it's just a matter of when they'll happen and how soon they'll be noticed & fixed.

skrilla · 03-13-2007, 07:12 AM

Yeah ty for teh heads up.. I run an ebay store and my wife goes crazy somtimes buying off ebay. I think its time EBAY starts controlling and monitoring more of whats going on on their site. I t seems to be getting worse and worse.

Nashfan · 03-13-2007, 07:31 PM

You guys are completely off-base here. How in the WORLD is it eBay's fault that people have posted objectionable things on their site? There are millions of listings there, and no amount of moderators could effectively patrol them all. Tell me: if you're in a Wal-Mart, and your wallet is stolen, would you blame Wal-Mart? After all, it is their store.

I am obviously on a different side of this issue than the posters above, but I have to put more blame on the people exploiting eBay than eBay itself.

Corky · 03-13-2007, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nashfan

You guys are completely off-base here. How in the WORLD is it eBay's fault that people have posted objectionable things on their site? There are millions of listings there, and no amount of moderators could effectively patrol them all. Tell me: if you're in a Wal-Mart, and your wallet is stolen, would you blame Wal-Mart? After all, it is their store.

I am obviously on a different side of this issue than the posters above, but I have to put more blame on the people exploiting eBay than eBay itself.

With all the money eBay makes along with its other company PayPal and anything else they own, they have MORE than enough to keep this from happening. There are security measures that can be added to prevent this.

It also depends on how your "wallet" is stolen in Wal-Mart. If someone beats you up, they are caught on camera. If you drop it then its your fault. If they snatch it and run, Wal-Mart authorities can stop it/them. If they get away, it's also on camera.

Fewski · 03-14-2007, 08:08 AM

I also go through some the Ebay motors daily, and I have been seeing more and more fake ads. Basicly, they sell a $40,000 for '$7,000'... But you can't bid, you have to contact them first. I've never tried contacting them, so not sure how they work that scam.

None the less, Ebay needs to step up this stuff... it's only getting worse and all Ebay is doing is laughing to the bank.

skrilla · 03-14-2007, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nashfan

You guys are completely off-base here. How in the WORLD is it eBay's fault that people have posted objectionable things on their site? There are millions of listings there, and no amount of moderators could effectively patrol them all. Tell me: if you're in a Wal-Mart, and your wallet is stolen, would you blame Wal-Mart? After all, it is their store.

I am obviously on a different side of this issue than the posters above, but I have to put more blame on the people exploiting eBay than eBay itself.

ACTUALLY you are wrong.. i own and operate an ebay store.. and tehy are very quick to cancel an auction of mine if they find ANYTHING wrong with it.. so WHY cant tehy do hte same with everyhing.. believe me tehy monitor allot of whats going on on ebay. Of course tehy cant catch it all, but they can try to do better and worry more about high risk listings rather than a listing that contains copywrited material for instance. All tehy are worried about are legal woes..

**labrocca** · 03-14-2007, 12:22 PM

Speaking of Ebay I think they have a 20 cent listing special for today and tomorrow.

Nashfan · 03-14-2007, 06:07 PM

My guess would be that eBay has a prioroity list. Any idiot who clicks on an "explicit" image, which leads to a site that is clearly not eBay, and then gives out their credit/PayPal information to "buy", deserves to be scammed. This is like that scam where a guy is trapped in Nicaraulithuania, and he needs you to send him $1,000 so he can give you $1,000,000 when he gets back to the States.

It's not a matter of which problem is more dangerous. It's a matter of which problem is more necessary for eBay to solve. If a copyright is being misused, I believe was your example, an average person would have more trouble recognizing that than the 50megs.com scam. However, I agree that eBay is not taking acceptable action.

So why am I different from the above posters? First, I think eBay could be doing more to prevent this, but it's not their fault that this is happening.

More importantly, the above people say that eBay should take more action to stop these problems. Chances are, they also give stock advice like "buy low, sell high", and boxing advice to "hit the other guy hard." Technically, you're right, but who do you think you're helping with this blinding flash of the obvious?

I think eBay should use something like Google's spiders. They could "click" each listing, and if the URL is not eBay's, then it adds the listing to a small data box that moderators check by hand for errors. eBay can't patrol 3,000,000 listings, but it can patrol whatever is in their box. Wouldn't this solve the problem?

WebForging · 03-18-2007, 10:39 AM

Thanks for the info.

Hope you don't mind....I'm posting this in a 'frauds and scams' section of a forum I admin at www.theBubbler.com

Thanks.

Regards,
Keith

Matthew. · 03-18-2007, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WebForging

Thanks for the info.

Hope you don't mind....I'm posting this in a 'frauds and scams' section of a forum I admin at www.theBubbler.com

Thanks.

Regards,
Keith

As long as there's a link back to this namepros topic I don't care, however it's custom to ask rather than just say you are going to

Matt

TestCase · 04-24-2007, 10:05 PM

If you ever really want to get nervous about doing business on eBay, check out their "Trust & Safety" (or something like that, it's been months since I was their...) section of their forums. There are problems, scams and ripoffs that have been going on (and ongoing) for years that have been reported to eBay but they continue to ignore them.

I also found that forum posts are not archived (or if they are I couldn't figure out where) so everything falls off after several weeks. Fortunately there are some very helpful "oldtimers" that are more than willing to try to keep certain problems alive and in public view.

HS · 04-25-2007, 05:51 PM

Do you have any examples of listings that redirect the user to another site without the user clicking anything?

This is a security issue (similar to Cross-Site Scripting) which they should be preventing automatically, there should be no way to put redirection HTML or other script code in a listing.

Alex. · 04-28-2007, 04:51 PM

did you report the redirect in question to 50megs matthew?

that way itl make it that little bit harder for those annoying scammers.

Isis · 04-28-2007, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nashfan

You guys are completely off-base here. How in the WORLD is it eBay's fault that people have posted objectionable things on their site? There are millions of listings there, and no amount of moderators could effectively patrol them all. Tell me: if you're in a Wal-Mart, and your wallet is stolen, would you blame Wal-Mart? After all, it is their store.

I am obviously on a different side of this issue than the posters above, but I have to put more blame on the people exploiting eBay than eBay itself.

yeah, if you wallet is stolen....nobody is to blame...

but if you steal a wallet from walmart, then they prosecute you to full extent of the law.

moral of the story; ebay can't do anything to prevent punks from stealing $$ from you....but will take you out if you steal $$ from them.??

Gorillaz · 04-30-2007, 05:09 PM

If my wallets stolen at walmart I would contact security for the Video tapes (Well depending what was in it at least)

But ebay is its own community and it doesn't include Law enforcement, camera's, whatever. its its own "World" and they are responsible for not only protecting every buyer but protecting there company, there name, and that people arnt mislead to other sites. You hear more and more of people selling just a box and in the middle of pages of text they write "this is a box only" and legally rip you off!! These are things Ebay its self should stop, They are ridiculously strict in some areas and way to easy in others. In the end I guess the moral is read every auction and protect yourself, I'm sure ebay does its best but it gets millions of hits and millions of auctions and they can only do so much and you need to protect yourself as well from scams

Just some advise and thoughts

03-02-2007, 10:57 AM	#1 (permalink)
Matthew. Stud Sausage Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: England Posts: 1,546 34.41 NP$ (Donate)	ebay, You're falling apart..... OK so i was browsing through the cars section on ebay just now, and i noticed around 7 listings with what can only be described as explicit images as their gallery image. Naturally i clicked on one of them out of interest to see what someone had planned to achieve by doing this, when i was greeted with a login screen...this is normal for ebay right? Periodic logins? Nooo. By chance i noticed the address bar above had "50megs.com" in, somehow someone has found a way to redirect an ebay listing to another site... Another thing while we're on ebay (which i expect is related to this) is that people have started adding fake "email this address for BIN" noticed under certain listings, be wary of these as they are NOT added by the listing creator. Just some things to look out for. Matt __________________ My NamePros Tools (firefox plugin, google gadget etc)

03-13-2007, 07:12 AM	#3 (permalink)
skrilla Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: canada Posts: 1,020 591.76 NP$ (Donate)	Yeah ty for teh heads up.. I run an ebay store and my wife goes crazy somtimes buying off ebay. I think its time EBAY starts controlling and monitoring more of whats going on on their site. I t seems to be getting worse and worse. __________________ RB's Lingerie COME VISIT NOW!!! Sign up for adsense at www.ratemymug.com This line is for sale PM for details

03-14-2007, 08:08 AM	#6 (permalink)
Fewski Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 2,609 89.99 NP$ (Donate)	I also go through some the Ebay motors daily, and I have been seeing more and more fake ads. Basicly, they sell a $40,000 for '$7,000'... But you can't bid, you have to contact them first. I've never tried contacting them, so not sure how they work that scam. None the less, Ebay needs to step up this stuff... it's only getting worse and all Ebay is doing is laughing to the bank. __________________ Twitter Friend Adder

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03-18-2007, 10:39 AM	#10 (permalink)
WebForging Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sussex, Wisconsin - The Badger State - Home of http://www.theBubbler.com with Free Classifieds for Wisconsinites Posts: 2,373 1,324.20 NP$ (Donate)	good info Thanks for the info. Hope you don't mind....I'm posting this in a 'frauds and scams' section of a forum I admin at www.theBubbler.com Thanks. Regards, Keith __________________ WebLoggers.ORG, a forum for, by and about bloggers and their blogs - revenue generation info, blog reviews, free resources, etc. - WebLoggers.ORG - YOUR LINK at very top of WebLoggers.ORG - automatic, (like 'WebForging' link there now) be among Top 5 posters with 8 post min. Your link topmost till you get out-posted. PR3, 500 uniques-month, rising fast.

03-02-2007, 11:02 AM	#2 (permalink)
cyberoptik NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Chicago Burbs Posts: 943 83.46 NP$ (Donate)	Thanks for the input, I'll keep an eye out for those too . Exploitations like this happen with any site, it's just a matter of when they'll happen and how soon they'll be noticed & fixed.

03-13-2007, 07:31 PM	#4 (permalink)
Nashfan NamePros Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 44 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	You guys are completely off-base here. How in the WORLD is it eBay's fault that people have posted objectionable things on their site? There are millions of listings there, and no amount of moderators could effectively patrol them all. Tell me: if you're in a Wal-Mart, and your wallet is stolen, would you blame Wal-Mart? After all, it is their store. I am obviously on a different side of this issue than the posters above, but I have to put more blame on the people exploiting eBay than eBay itself.

03-14-2007, 06:07 PM	#9 (permalink)
Nashfan NamePros Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 44 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	My guess would be that eBay has a prioroity list. Any idiot who clicks on an "explicit" image, which leads to a site that is clearly not eBay, and then gives out their credit/PayPal information to "buy", deserves to be scammed. This is like that scam where a guy is trapped in Nicaraulithuania, and he needs you to send him $1,000 so he can give you $1,000,000 when he gets back to the States. It's not a matter of which problem is more dangerous. It's a matter of which problem is more necessary for eBay to solve. If a copyright is being misused, I believe was your example, an average person would have more trouble recognizing that than the 50megs.com scam. However, I agree that eBay is not taking acceptable action. So why am I different from the above posters? First, I think eBay could be doing more to prevent this, but it's not their fault that this is happening. More importantly, the above people say that eBay should take more action to stop these problems. Chances are, they also give stock advice like "buy low, sell high", and boxing advice to "hit the other guy hard." Technically, you're right, but who do you think you're helping with this blinding flash of the obvious? I think eBay should use something like Google's spiders. They could "click" each listing, and if the URL is not eBay's, then it adds the listing to a small data box that moderators check by hand for errors. eBay can't patrol 3,000,000 listings, but it can patrol whatever is in their box. Wouldn't this solve the problem?

04-24-2007, 10:05 PM	#12 (permalink)
TestCase NamePros Regular Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 765 1,123.85 NP$ (Donate)	If you ever really want to get nervous about doing business on eBay, check out their "Trust & Safety" (or something like that, it's been months since I was their...) section of their forums. There are problems, scams and ripoffs that have been going on (and ongoing) for years that have been reported to eBay but they continue to ignore them. I also found that forum posts are not archived (or if they are I couldn't figure out where) so everything falls off after several weeks. Fortunately there are some very helpful "oldtimers" that are more than willing to try to keep certain problems alive and in public view.

04-25-2007, 05:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
HS New Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 18 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	Do you have any examples of listings that redirect the user to another site without the user clicking anything? This is a security issue (similar to Cross-Site Scripting) which they should be preventing automatically, there should be no way to put redirection HTML or other script code in a listing.

04-28-2007, 04:51 PM	#14 (permalink)
Alex. NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Uk Posts: 601 133.80 NP$ (Donate)	did you report the redirect in question to 50megs matthew? that way itl make it that little bit harder for those annoying scammers. __________________ _\\|/_ _\\|/_ _\\|/_ _\\|/_ _\\|/_ :confused: Last edited by manofgames; 04-28-2007 at 04:54 PM.

04-30-2007, 05:09 PM	#16 (permalink)
Gorillaz NamePros Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 168 15.80 NP$ (Donate)	If my wallets stolen at walmart I would contact security for the Video tapes (Well depending what was in it at least) But ebay is its own community and it doesn't include Law enforcement, camera's, whatever. its its own "World" and they are responsible for not only protecting every buyer but protecting there company, there name, and that people arnt mislead to other sites. You hear more and more of people selling just a box and in the middle of pages of text they write "this is a box only" and legally rip you off!! These are things Ebay its self should stop, They are ridiculously strict in some areas and way to easy in others. In the end I guess the moral is read every auction and protect yourself, I'm sure ebay does its best but it gets millions of hits and millions of auctions and they can only do so much and you need to protect yourself as well from scams Just some advise and thoughts __________________ HostBright.net is Coming Soon! Reviews are needed as well as testers - Check my post for more information, Prizes and Cash will be given to participants! We offer Domains, Hosting (Shared, Reseller, Free, VPS, Dedicated and more) We also offer web design, SSL'S and much more! Call us today for more information - 1-877-2-Host-Me

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